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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Thanks for your reply, misinformation is all over the place, I don't listen to Coast, if I did then I might as well listen to MSN, there was a time Coast brought us alternative information, now that Art Bell is gone so is the alternative information.

The good news is we have ATS and threads like All Roads Lead to Rome to ponder.

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posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by The Great Day


maybe this is the wrong thread....just looking for answers thanks.


No matter what this is never the wrong thread, read it you'll find the answers, you're welcome!



posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by The Great Day
Hi...i have a question as one who is questioning main stream religion.

I have noticed many threads these days touting the idea that all religion is based on Egyptian sun worship.

So my question is, How are the original 114 Egyptian gods portrayed into post Egyptian religion? Where these gods spirit beings or crossbreeds....


maybe this is the wrong thread....just looking for answers thanks.


One of the things that gets a little bit tricky about religion when it comes to understanding it’s practice both then and today is the priestly class, even more so the high priest class tend to practice religion in different ways and with different purposes than the laity, congregants and disciples of a religion do.

We know of many Egyptian Gods and other ancient Gods through markings on Temples and Government Statues signifying that they were worshipped, but precisely how, and by precisely whom, is not always so clear.

Much of the ancient world was illiterate and writing and reading was a luxury most people could not afford or avail themselves of.

Because most of today’s religious only have various forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islam as reference to worship, more specifically how worship is conducted in an organized setting like a Temple, Church or Mosque it becomes easy but perhaps a mistake to imagine that these older pre-existing Gods were worshipped in the same as known wide spread way in a similar styled ceremony.

The average person in the ancient world was probably not aware themselves of all the Gods in a Parthenon, but more likely just a few of the chief principle gods and then only the lesser Gods whose attributes correlated to specific aspects of their trade, profession, social status or region.

It’s probably safe to say we don’t understand exactly how all these Gods fit into the ancient world, what the rituals were, how they were conducted, how much of the population participated in them, and to what extent.

Still if you were a tradesman who adhered to or evoked some lesser deity in the Parthenon for its particular favor, how the priestly class interacted in that process, was likely very different than how a devotee to that God did.

You may have seen some of the videos that lay out the case for Christianity being a sun cult, that psychedelic substances from nature are taken by the high priests, and that rites conducted both secretly and publicly by the priests in Latin or other tongues might have a very different meaning and property than the congregants and laity of these religions imagine them to have.

While these videos and books often lay out a very compelling case, they fail to actually discover or share, what precisely is being conducted in the way of a rite or ritual through an altered state process using a different language(s) to conduct them.

Some suspect that even within the Christian church, especially the Roman Christian Church that pre-existing Gods from Greece, Egypt, and Babylon, or the Indo-European Gods are still being evoked and worshipped through rituals by the priests.
While many European Gods did end up as Saints in the Catholic Church as a way of Christianizing their festivals and holidays and the people who worshipped and celebrated them, it is possible in theory that some of the other Gods from Africa, the Middle East, Persia, India and Greece may still be worshiped or have rites and rituals carried out to them by the priestly class in some Christian related churches.

What we do know for sure is with the advent of monotheism religion morphed into more of a control element of the masses by government than being something meant to bring people in tune with various and individual properties of and in nature, commerce, and social strata.

The laity and congregants are taught and extolled to take everything conveyed to them through the priests and the scriptures on faith and not ask questions, so they are a relatively poor tool for understanding it and getting to the bottom of it.

The priests on the other hand are known for their often secretive and aloof ways and manipulative deceptions and even when approachable are not necessarily reliable in the answers that they give.

I think it safe to say that how the masses have been programmed to interpret it all, perceive it all and understand it all is most likely completely false, and discovering what the high priests know likely would require being an initiate of one aspiring to high priest status, with the same true of the much better educated and informed oligarchs and elites.

Presently religion largely seems to be a tool of confusion and fear, with a double edge attached of hope and absolution, with the masses getting a dose of the former or later simply based upon what the Politicians and or Priests want to manipulate them towards.

As a societal construct it would lose much of its effectiveness if people in general knew how it was constructed, hence the great divisions in organized religion even amongst those worshipping the same God.

Finding out the precise truth might be problematic to the point of impossibility as it seems that on all accessible levels speculation is about all the average person can do.

I will say this though, if there is a God as God is commonly defined, and just One God as is commonly accepted and purported, if I were that God I would be laying very low and hiding, because there is little chance I would have sensible answers to fully explain or justify the type of world and reality I created.



posted on Apr, 5 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Davian
What's you take on the space program? We know Hitler and his top associates are responsible for revolutionizing rockets and traveling into space. Private space corporations are actually planning on launching space habitats in the next few years, and commercializing space tourism. A manned mission to Mars is slated for 2030. Where do you think this all fits in the big 'world domination' theory of yours, Proto? Just curious is all.


I first have to say I honestly am not privy to what is the full extent of our space program. I have suspicions that we have a much greater ability to travel in and through space than what NASA does or shares, but short of finding an independent way to get of this rock, to investigate just what that capability is, really only allows for speculation.

There is some evidence that the people of Earth are quarantined or blockaded by much more advance races, though that might simply be to dissuade interested third parties on earth from trying to mount independent efforts to get off the planet and explore themselves by faking an alien presence using secret military technology in space.

Right now there definitely is a push to corporatize space travel and exploration, and this would in fact simply mirror the process of Romanization of the Americas and other first world nations, where governments were called upon by the royals and oligarchs and banking interests to form corporations under them, to explore, acquire, and conquer when necessary, as a business dedicated and specializing in that, with government assistance available for handling those acquisitions that had a need for military force, and then organizing and controlling populations once they bulged to well beyond just the prevue of the original enterprises, when the candlestick makers, bakers, and shoe makers, inn keepers and blacksmiths and dry grocers became as numerous as the explorers, adventurers and laborers on the infrastructure.

So I would imagine the same blue print will be used regarding space.

What all is up there already and who all might be up there I can’t say, I have yet to meet someone I could verify was from another world, or could offer me a lift off this rock.

Rome to date though has been a constantly expanding enterprise and once it finishes implementing a one world government and systems that solidly and permanently incorporate all the people and territories of the earth into it, it’s a natural conclusion that it will set its eyes on the heavens to expand that control and enterprise to space.

Sorry I don’t know more to share with you on this subject.

For what it’s worth I am seriously toying with the idea of trying to see if I can establish contact with any alien races or ships that might be visiting earth, but I really am going to have to have to have to question my sanity come the night I am standing on the darkened beach seriously trying to make contact with a space ship capable of interstellar travel.

It’s not that I am not that insane, it’s just I really take some comfort in trying my best to pretend I am not.

It would be cool to have a snow globe and an ashtray from another planet though!

Here is a question for you, if you were invited on to a interstellar craft by other beings besides humans would you get on it?



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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I honestly felt like I took a trip throughout history with you while reading this thread. That is something I cannot say about anything ive ever read in my life. Thank you for this thread and of course s+f.



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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One of the things that gets a little bit tricky about religion when it comes to understanding it’s practice both then and today is the priestly class, even more so the high priest class tend to practice religion in different ways and with different purposes than the laity, congregants and disciples of a religion do.


P(S)aul is said to have been willing to re-fashion all sorts of quasi-religious christian doctrine in order to meet the desires of local pagan tirbes, tribes which he was trying to convert.

Christianity is not solely based upon some esoteric worship of the sun. It actually has elements of several different religion's rituals, dogmas, and belies incorporated into itself, and this includes prominent goddess worship, but of all these pagan beliefs, sun imagery is seen most prominently throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

Christ, Look at Benedict and his long white and gold robes reminiscent of a sun god.
This is in my humble opinion of course.

You are very correct Proto. Christianity has taken on the role of many different religions.
And what is practiced by the Priests and what is believed by the commoners are usually very different.

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This amalgamation of religions under the guise Christianity began with the early missionaries sent out by Rome, but grew exponentially and insidiously with the introduction of the Jesuits,

I personally prescribe to the mushroom cult theory, although that is more fanciful speculation than anything for me, like reading good science fiction.
But I do wholly believe that the God of the elites is represented by the Sun.
And the sun represents intellect.
The Sun, or the the gift of Intellect, is what the elite see as that which separates us from them. Commoners versus elites.
It is also consequently what gives them their god complex.

Plus, Apollo was the Patron God of Troy, who better to choose?

(The above is speculation based upon correlative evidence that is then filtered through my mind. Believe at your own risk)

Cheers mate

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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Josephus23
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One of the things that gets a little bit tricky about religion when it comes to understanding it’s practice both then and today is the priestly class, even more so the high priest class tend to practice religion in different ways and with different purposes than the laity, congregants and disciples of a religion do.


P(S)aul is said to have been willing to re-fashion all sorts of quasi-religious christian doctrine in order to meet the desires of local pagan tirbes, tribes which he was trying to convert.

Christianity is not solely based upon some esoteric worship of the sun. It actually has elements of several different religion's rituals, dogmas, and belies incorporated into itself, and this includes prominent goddess worship, but of all these pagan beliefs, sun imagery is seen most prominently throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

Christ, Look at Benedict and his long white and gold robes reminiscent of a sun god.
This is in my humble opinion of course.

You are very correct Proto. Christianity has taken on the role of many different religions.
And what is practiced by the Priests and what is believed by the commoners are usually very different.

reply to post by The Great Day
 


This amalgamation of religions under the guise Christianity began with the early missionaries sent out by Rome, but grew exponentially and insidiously with the introduction of the Jesuits,

I personally prescribe to the mushroom cult theory, although that is more fanciful speculation than anything for me, like reading good science fiction.
But I do wholly believe that the God of the elites is the represented by the Sun.
And the sun represents intellect.
The Sun, or the the gift of Intellect, is what the elite see as that which separates us from them. Commoners versus elites.
It is also ocnsequently what gives them their god complex.

Plus, Apollo was the Patron God of Troy, who better to choose?

(The above is speculation based upon correlative evidence that is then filtered through my mind. Believe at your own risk)

Cheers mate


You are spot on with your assessment of Christianity my friend. The funny thing about it all, is Christ's original teachings are contained in the Bible. What is odd about that is they contradict religion and government and are thus a danger to the Empire. The Empire is crafty though, and they have managed to shift the focus from Christ's teachings and Life, to his death. Why do you think they hang a crucifix over their altar and worship his death? They are celebrating the triumph over his life and people don't even notice.

I won't divert the thread with my spiritual mumbo jumbo, but here is a link to the teachings of Christ in a nutshell. You can find them yourself if you read the Gospels and put yourself in Christ's shoes as he had asked.

Christ is the Messiah

As I said before, his teachings are the only way of throwing down the Empire that enslaves us.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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You know... IAMIAM....

From a literary perspective the device and execution of the bible makes it an enigma wrapped in a riddle and surrounded by a mystery. It is a book written as though it is the holy word God, but written by men who seem intent on proving that it is the holy word of God.
The believer might say that "God" is working through them to make this happen.

I do not believe that anything could be "written" by a God of unconditional love that would both contain and ordain such detestable acts like death, destruction, incest, jealously, etc...all found in in the old testament, but yet all of them are only to be miraculously just "forgeten about" with the "new Covenent" of Jesus.
Lucky Us.
We just must submit now to Jesus and have him forgive mankind's sins through us, because our ancestors misfortunes caused us to have the need to have our sins saved, sins that we have yet to even commit my friend, and sins that are eternal and can never be paid back.
(Sounds like a psy-op to me)

Yes. That Jesus guy said some really cool stuff and his story is really compelling, but the church that surrounds his "teachings' is one act of cognitive dissonance that leaves most in a suggestible state and this is done on purpose.

And with church's listed as 501c3 organizations then they are subject to politically correct establishments or they lose their tax exempt status.
It is all about money and towing the line that is actually set by the Pope. They pretty much dance in lock step now, with ultimate reverence for the other.
But they were mortal enemies at one time.

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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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First the whole concept of Christ is we are victims, imperfect sinners hopelessly lost bound for torment and failure but he, he tried to save us!

He utterly failed in that edeavor even by his and the religions admission leaving us all as VICTIMS.

The great thing about victims is they are generally assumed to have a roll over quality of lying down and taking it, and even spreading cheeks when commanded to be victimized again that makes them well...perfect servants and slaves.

Perfect servants and slaves incapable of saving themselves because they are by all accounts according to their Creator and their Savior so imperfect and so incapable as to be practically beyond redemption...but good news you can struggle your whole life in service of the Church that created them on behalf of the State that created the Church...where upon your death, and only then, we will let you know if you made the grade and 'reward' you or if you failed and we shall 'punish' you!

Yeah that's some good stuff there!

So the whole concept at best could be described as a brilliant scam or tragically flawed if it's not meant to be a brilliant scam.

Convinced through it you can not save yourself because you are so flawed, your only hope at redemption, happiness and quality of life is through serving and obeying a third party who might save you!

Yeah!

Now of course if you don't have faith in that, you could be horribly punished after death, which since they know you don't know what to know if you went along with a flim, flam like this you have NO FAITH that something like that might not happen to you.

So it all boils down to be afraid, be very afraid, listen and obey to your Father Figure, worship your ancestors who defined your Father Figure as wise, and if it's not working out, well look for a fictional third party to save you and try real hard to please him too and or instead!

This is the system two thirds of the world is caught up in.

It's utterly insane, it really is what is described above, and what the message of Jesus was meant to teach you, is just that.

Either the eventual wisdom to say "Wow dude you are wacked out of your mind if you think I am going to believe that nonsense" to learn faith in yourself...or

"Yes Master, your will is my command!" to be a good slave incapable of and desirous to making your own decisions.

Want to take a simple concept of control and make it so confusing no one can easily figure it out?

Well hey just write a couple really lengthy books full of thousands, tens of thousands, millions of words hardly anyone understands, full of riddles to define that simple concept.

Sit back for a couple thousand years and watch people driven to madness and killing one another to try!

Evidently the Baby Jesus isn't so interested in saving anyone from that, and while everyone is taught to glorify the one presumed failed attempt most of the world waits for a cavalry that does not exist to right these wrongs instead of righting them, themselves.

It takes a lot to pull off a scam like this but for thousands of years?

Generation after generation?



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Josephus23
[You know... IAMIAM....

From a literary perspective the device and execution of the bible makes it an enigma wrapped in a riddle and surrounded by a mystery. It is a book written as though it is the holy word God, but written by men who seem intent on proving that it is the holy word of God.
The believer might say that "God" is working through them to make this happen.

I do not believe that anything could be "written" by a God of unconditional love that would both contain and ordain such detestable acts like death, destruction, incest, jealously, etc...all found in in the old testament, but yet all of them are only to be miraculously just "forgeten about" with the "new Covenent" of Jesus.
Lucky Us.
We just must submit now to Jesus and have him forgive mankind's sins through us, because our ancestors misfortunes caused us to have the need to have our sins saved, [I]sins that we have yet to even commit my friend, and sins that are eternal and can never be paid back.
(Sounds like a psy-op to me)

Yes. That Jesus guy said some really cool stuff and his story is really compelling, but the church that surrounds his "teachings' is one act of cognitive dissonance that leaves most in a suggestible state and this is done on purpose.

And with church's listed as 501c3 organizations then they are subject to politically correct establishments or they lose their tax exempt status.
It is all about money and towing the line that is actually set by the Pope. They pretty much dance in lock step now, with ultimate reverence for the other.
But they were mortal enemies at one time.


Oh don't fall for those churches my friend. They are the blind leading the blind into a hateful self righteous existence. If they had half a sense of what Christ was teaching, the streets would be filled with martyrs for mankind. Instead we get houses of pontificators pointing fingers and shaming people into a guilt ridden existence as cold as the tomb they will inhabit when the flesh finally has had enough.

No, that is not what Christ taught. Don't look for Christ to forgive your sins, be Christ and YOU forgive those who sin against you. Love them unconditionally, and work to building a better world for all. Judge none so that none can hold judgement against you. Hate the world we live in, loving the world we are capable of building together.

Don't worry about the Empire of government and Religion, they will fall. Even now the world is being shaken to its foundation to throw them down.

Watch.

With Love,

Your Brother


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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Love your posts as always Proto. What do you make of all the similarites between Christ's story and the stories of Horus and Mithra to name a few. How do you figure Saturn worship plays into all of this? There was a very interesting series on youtube I watched tying in a lot of symbols from Pagenism, Satanism and Christianity. One way or another it seems like someone is being scammed somewhere.



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
First the whole concept of Christ is we are victims, imperfect sinners hopelessly lost bound for torment and failure but he, he tried to save us!


Not so Proto!

Have you ever actually read what Christ said?

Have you ever actually read what he said and put yourself in the role of Christ as if YOU were saying what he said?

Try it! Then you will see what Christ was saying.

This is why he told his disciples to "pick up your cross and follow me!" and "Be PERFECT even as your father is Perfect!".

Judge none, we are perfect.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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One of the most powerful 'closes' in sales is the 'take away' some one interested in buying the item is haggling to much, a fair price that allows for the exchange won't be reached because they don't percieve the value as being equal to the cost.

So you take it away from them mentally, by taking the item off of the selling block and replacing it with one of lesser value and then tell the proposed buyer it's beyond their means and abbility and appreciation while beginning to sell them on a lesser item that does less, isn't as nice, etc.

The one thing that the Elites and the Patricians can't sell you is life and the planet itself, but they have "Taken that Away" from you with religions that include "Dooms Day Scenarios" that's right the world might be taken away from you if you don't use it right!

So listen to us to make sure you are using it right!

They have taken away your very life itself by insisting you accept some all powerful father figure determined to "Withhold Love" in other words "Take Away his Love" created you, but you are so failed at pleasing him he won't even talk to you and chances are if and when he does show up it's going to be to punish you, take your life away and take this world away.

Come on people lets see a show of hands who honestly likes living like this?

Seriously?

It's all based and built on this wacky religion that has you seeing thorns in abstract pieces of metal.

You are stuck, you have been stuck by those thorns.

Me I would try to get out of the briar patch not go looking for it's center!



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
One of the most powerful 'closes' in sales is the 'take away' some one interested in buying the item is haggling to much, a fair price that allows for the exchange won't be reached because they don't percieve the value as being equal to the cost.

So you take it away from them mentally, by taking the item off of the selling block and replacing it with one of lesser value and then tell the proposed buyer it's beyond their means and abbility and appreciation while beginning to sell them on a lesser item that does less, isn't as nice, etc.

The one thing that the Elites and the Patricians can't sell you is life and the planet itself, but they have "Taken that Away" from you with religions that include "Dooms Day Scenarios" that's right the world might be taken away from you if you don't use it right!

So listen to us to make sure you are using it right!

They have taken away your very life itself by insisting you accept some all powerful father figure determined to "Withhold Love" in other words "Take Away his Love" created you, but you are so failed at pleasing him he won't even talk to you and chances are if and when he does show up it's going to be to punish you, take your life away and take this world away.

Come on people lets see a show of hands who honestly likes living like this?

Seriously?

It's all based and built on this wacky religion that has you seeing thorns in abstract pieces of metal.

You are stuck, you have been stuck by those thorns.

Me I would try to get out of the briar patch not go looking for it's center!


Yep, this is pretty much what Christ was saying. This is the same way he condemned the Pharisees and Sadducees. This is the same reason why he told people to give back to caesar that which belonged to caesar. This is the same reason he told people to find God within themselves!

Are you Jesus?

Sure sound like him.

LOL

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Have you ever actually read what Christ said?


My first Mentor in life was a wise if not somewhat jaded old man, who did not have a telephone in his home.

He explained this to me very simply by stating...

"If someone has something truly important and worthwhile to tell me they will come knock on the door and tell me face to face." he went on to say "Chances are if what they have to say is not worth that effort, it's not worth listening to anyway".

If this Christ exists and has something important to say that he wishes me to consider well I keep an open door policy to every one and thing from hungry stray cats to interdimensional beings, beings from other worlds, Gods, Demons, Angels and prostitutes!

Wait how did that last one get in there!

Seriously don't be a fool. Imagining some 2,000 year old book written by dozens of people and published by Rome are the words of some long dead savior that actually saved nothing but created a rather circumspect and dishonest violent system by which Rome could run the world is just really abusing the brain and head that you do have.

My mentor was wise in what he said, if you listen to most people's phone conversations it really is just idle chit chat and gossip of no real importance.

On the rare occassion someone would come knock on the door to tell him something it was in fact always important.

Your book is a box, a box designed to trap your heart and mind and very essence inside it, a book that you yourself lock those things away into, a closed universe that exists in the mind, a closed universe St. Augustine of Hippo created through his City of God concept where he realized people could be in essence 'led' to find a world within their minds, a world created through the concept of a book written to do just that.

What you have done is in essence like going down to the local jail, looking at all the cells and saying I like that one! Lock me away in it please!


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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
My first Mentor in life was a wise if not somewhat jaded old man, who did not have a telephone in his home.

He explained this to me very simply by stating...

"If someone has something truly important and worthwhile to tell me they will come knock on the door and tell me face to face." he went on to say "Chances are if what they have to say is not worth that effort, it's not worth listening to anyway".

If this Christ exists and has something important to say that he wishes me to consider well I keep an open door policy to every one and thing from hungry stray cats to interdimensional beings, beings from other worlds, Gods, Demons, Angels and prostitutes!


Now THIS is wisdom!

I will leave you to your thread my friend. I like to follow it because I see something you do not, or maybe you do and prefer to keep it private.

Christ came to your door and knocked. I see that you answered.

I see Christ in YOU.

Keep up the good work and watch the Empire fall!



With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Proto is displeased and shall now punish the people!

I can think of no worse punishment than Barry Manilow!



But because Proto still loves the people this punishment is designed to actually 'teach you' something!

STOP TRYING TO WRITE SOME ONE ELSES SONG!

You exist to write your own not to try to recreate a 2 thousand year old melody someone else penned for them.

I am, I am, You are You, You are You.

Now lets try to start figuring out what the heck that is, and write your own song to sing!

Thanks.

Please do not make Proto ever punish you so severely.

I feel so dirty now!

Ewewww Barry Manilow!



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Notice how much he looks like Wayne Gretzki?
Martin Short....
Rodney dangerfield in drag...( look closely...)
Clone(s)?

assymetric punedYOUcation....thats rad...!


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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
Notice how much he looks like Wayne Gretzki?
Martin Short....
Rodney dangerfield in drag...( look closely...)
Clone(s)?

assymetric punedYOUcation....thats rad...!


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I am not a fan of the pop music but I once had occassion to run an errand to Barry's house just above the Sunset Strip in West Hollywood, CA.

It was Christmas time and Barry had a model train set that ran through all the rooms of his house! Quite the little boy still.

Or one could say still in love with the magic of life and the universe.

A life and magic so many fail to discover because they are so busy trying to live and often live not very well, trying to mimic how others want them to live, starting with the Religion that frames their reality as the fundamental building block.

Even there in Barry's home so easily evidenced by the Christmas trees and decorations the train set and hommage being paid to the Holiday.

It very much is like a prison for the mind, one designed to cut people off literally from "any other possibility".

It is what it is, I do wonder though if after all these centuries people will ever have the courage and wisdom to stand up and accept finally once and for all it is what it is.

A freedom robbing doctrine meant to construct their reality and enslave them to the state and set them on the path to slavery and service to it.



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 12:25 PM
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Your book is a box, a box designed to trap your heart and mind and very essence inside it, a book that you yourself lock those things away into, a closed universe that exists in the mind, a closed universe St. Augustine of Hippo created through his City of God concept where he realized people could be in essence 'led' to find a world within their minds, a world created through the concept of a book written to do just that.


Now is the time to think. Now is the time to strike while the metal is hot and pliable and we can see clearly what it is we want to create from it. Think now about this defeatist attitude that enslaves the planet through religion. You say it was created by someone who led us to believe the world inside our mind is real and that it was created by stories from a book.

How would the story read if we were to be given the polar opposite of our current dilemma? The dilemma whereby we are all lost sinners and in need of salvation and the world is going to end in a blood bath anyway so you really are doomed any way you slice it if you don't accept the fact that it's your fault. That dilemma that hangs over our heads and keeps everyone guessing.

Its almost like appearing at a game of Russian roulette with no way of escape and wondering who in the world thought you would enjoy this horrific game to begin with. Now, if we accept the fact that we are totally hopeless and that we need to be forgiven for appearing at this game of Russian roulette we don't need to worry about the chamber being charged when its our turn because we will finally have eternal peace and serenity when we are dead. If you die without being forgiven for appearing at this game well then you will end up in a much worse place that you will never escape from.

What if we were told that we really are the personification of our creator. That we naturally love doing things for one another and that is how we humans live. We do not seek to harm each other and that no one suffers an eternal punishment of blazing flames for not understanding their true nature. We all have the capacity to learn and understand because we are the very essence of our creator who would never inflict any harm upon us.

I wonder what it would be like if we were given a winning attitude from the get go instead of one where we are hopelessly lost and headed for destruction. Where the only way to save yourself is to embrace the idea that the very person who created this insidious trait, sin, that we are plagued with had to die for us because we are utterly encapsulated in its embrace and have no hope of getting away from it save the act that our creator has offered us.

We are told that Armageddon is inevitable because of our wickedness and that if we just accept the fact that we are sinners and embrace the idea that everything will be better once its all over we will have the peace that everyone so desperately seeks. If we do not accept the fact that all of this doom and gloom and destruction that is on the horizon is our fault then we will end up in an even more harrowing place of torment. So its make an uneasy alliance and live like your walking on egg shells hoping to measure up so that you may finally have peace or suffer the wrath of your creator who thought you would like to be put in a position to make this eternal decision.

Okay, so how would the story read differently?




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