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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Feb, 1 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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I do believe Pompey would have been hard pressed to a military solution to Sulla, I believe he was in Spain at the time and while an excellent General with impressive well trained Legions, he would have had a hard time getting them to Rome, perhaps the only way would have been another crossing of the Alps similiar to Hanibals.

Hanibal was still so reviled though that such a manuever by Roman troops aiming to beseige the capitol would have likely been political suicide based on the premise of bad taste.

Pompey was much more cautious than Caesar and it seems careful in his decisions in hopes that he could rival Caesar's popularity though wise decisions, while Caesar for the most part simply bought his popularity with loot plundered from the Gauls.

Pompey ultimately found himself a person that true relevance had passed by, unable to rival Caesar's popularity on the streets, and unable to out manuever his troops on the field of battle, by all accounts he died an ignoble death as a has been and failure.

Caesar's ambition was truly legendary and his tireless pursuit of his goals and shrewd mind for strategy left him a constant force to be reconned with perhaps as many do theorize well past what may have been a staged death, and in many ways still do this day, as his legacy shaped the world in ways known and largely unknown and sometimes little known.

Some argue he perhaps was the greatest man to ever live, but of course that's not very kind to you or I!

Mick has done some impressive research on the quiet debate that seems to have always raged within the academic community on whether Caesar's assassination was staged, or was in fact a form of suicide as his epilepsy worsened and caused him greater and greater embarassment even to the point of one alleged episode having a spell of incontinence in the Senate he was unable to rise as protocol dictated for embarassment he had soiled himself in his chair. The Senate took the break from protocol as a grave insult, and if true Caesar would have realized his ability to rule publicly was perilously close to the end.

So it is entirely possible he planned a spectacular Roman exit through a staged spectacle of his death, to carry on from the shadows, or that he deliberately manipulted his demise, so he could in essence be a martyr to his own cause, and go out with a public image that he was every bit as vital and verile to the end as he had been throughout his life.

When you consider his handicap of epilepsy, widely thought to be a pox and curse by the Gods in those days, his achievements become doubly remarkable.




posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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February 2, Groundhog Day and yet another opportunity to discover how All Roads Lead to Rome...


Groundhog Day as we know it began around 1887 in Punxsutawney, but its roots go back hundreds and even thousands of years. The holiday has origins in the ancient Celtic festival of Imbolc, which was held Feb. 1, halfway between the Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox. Imbolc was a festival for the coming spring, and often featured primitive meteorology in an attempt to predict or control how quickly spring arrived.

As Christianity swept through the British Isles, missionaries incorporated Brigid, the Celtic goddess of Imbolc, into St. Brigid of Kildare, a patron saint of Ireland. Imbolc was replaced with Candlemas, a feast dedicated to St. Brigid that took place every year on Feb. 2.

Candlemas is primarily a religious holiday, but it continued to be a big day for weather forecasting, too. Tradition held that winter wasn't over if Candlemas was sunny enough to cast shadows, but a cloudy, shadow-free day suggested spring had sprung. According to one old British saying, "If Candlemas Day be bright and clear, there'll be two winters in the year."


www.mnn.com...

So here we see yet again how a deity was stamped out, by basically incorporating it into the Roman Catholic Religion by making the Patron God a Saint in the Catholic Religion, and making the festival a mass, in this case Candlemas.

Very similiar to Christmas which was imposed to do away with Yule, and similir Pagan festivals.


The First of February belongs to Brigid, (Brighid, Brigit, Bride,) the Celtic goddess who in later times became revered as a Christian saint. Originally, her festival on February 1 was known as Imbolc or Oimelc, two names which refer to the lactation of the ewes, the flow of milk that heralds the return of the life-giving forces of spring. Later, the Catholic Church replaced this festival with Candlemas Day on February 2, which is dedicated to the Virgin Mary and features candlelight processions. The powerful figure of Brigid the Light-Bringer overlights both pagan and Christian celebrations.


This was by and large the real process of Christianizing Europe, by simply rolling the Gods into Saints and the Festivals into Masses.


In Ireland, the land was prepared to receive the new seed with spade and plough; calves were born, and fishermen looked eagerly for the end of winter storms and rough seas to launch their boats again. In Scotland, the Old Woman of winter, the Cailleach, is reborn as Bride, Young Maiden of Spring, fragile yet growing stronger each day as the sun rekindles its fire, turning scarcity into abundance. Of her, Alexander Carmichael wrote:

Bride with her white wand is said to breathe life into the mouth of the dead Winter and to bring him to open his eyes to the tears and the smiles, the sighs and the laughter of Spring. The venom of the cold is said to tremble for its safety on Bride’s Day, and to flee for its life on Patrick’s Day.



www.chalicecentre.net...

Yet as we can see the Festival had absolutely nothing to do with Roman Christian concepts of God.

A concept of God one might say even was designed to instill the Roman notion of a male dominated Patriarchal Society since Jesus and his Father sound nothing like this:





THE EXALTED ONE
…woman of wisdom…a goddess whom poets adored…— Cormac’s Glossary

It is tempting to view this tender goddess of the early Spring only as she is pictured in Scottish artist John Duncan’s famous picture, The Coming of Bride: a wide-eyed, golden-haired girl, encircled by children. But behind her girlish innocence is the power of a once-great ancestral deity, Brigid, whose name means “The Exalted One,” queen and mother goddess of many European tribes. She is also known as Brigid, Bridget, Brighid, Brighde, Brig or Bride and some scholars consider her name originated with the Vedic Sanskrit word brihati, an epithet of the divine.

The 10th century Cormac’s Glossary describes her as the daughter of the Daghda, the “Great God” of the Tuatha de Danaan. He calls her a “woman of wisdom…a goddess whom poets adored, because her protection was very great and very famous." Since the discipline of poetry, filidhect, was interwoven with seership, Brigid was seen as the great inspiration behind divination and prophecy, the source of oracles.



www.chalicecentre.net...

Indeed the Christian Religion in many ways has more to do with incorporating as many religious doctrines and festivals into just one religion and belief system, a Roman religion and belief system as a political system that in many ways formed the first 'Shadow Government' where states and nations made some basic laws to govern their individual citizens, while Roman Law via the Priests, Bishops and Cardinals and the Christian Religion trumped it.

Not only was it a militant process, the Christian concepts of military conquest in the name of God, God being another way to describe Roman Morality could be argued to have led to the rise of the all powerful Military Industrial Complex which since World War II has been built endlessly to fight "Godless Commies" and "Muslim Infadels and Extremists".

For well over a thousand years this process of stamping out indigenous Gods and rolling them or their festivals into the Christian Faith has been repeated again and again.

In theory any one of these pre-existing and then politically eliminated spiritual and religious beliefs and Gods could have equally had the promise of spiritual enlightenment or the pathway to a better way of life, but of course we will never know since Rome worked so dillgently to remove them.

The temptation is to often look at what predated Christianity or was involved with it at the beginning as likely being one of those, but the truth is religions flourished all over the world in many forms and Rome simply stamped them out for political control, not spiritual reasons.



posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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Something I just noticed Pro
Those that used ( as the US is used today) Rome realized that arms have their purpose, but willing religiously bound minds were the secret to stable domination.
( note the PTB installation and control of extremists everywhere and the use and demonizaton of same)
The euro and many other countries had henges which are thought to be pre christian religious siites
which are part of the sights covered by christian holy places now
They were used to predict the solar lunar sky...eclipses even

Piers Corbin has just shown how this solar lunar knowleldge is used to accurately predict the weather.
he is the ONLY accurate source out past three days ...up to a year plus with PC
farmers use him all the time....
Farmers would have used this knowledge back then too combined with oral recounting
silly pharmers

The christian religion sought to replace this utilitarian system with their control:
GOD. ( not, as some have said Good Ol Danbones, he is a different [very different cough cough] diety)
and tythes from the flock...gettin fleeced, Heh HEH hEH
:pay up or you will burn in hell::ha ha idiot:

Self guarding and self shearing too

By causing cultural cancer and preventing the accuruate transmission of culturual knowlege through the generations, they gradually introduced induced stupidity as a slavers first line of tool of control.
As they say: Cancer is a man made disease

the concept of corruption ( cultural DNA, biological DNA etc ) and control by same.
oh yeah



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posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Agreed my friend, it seems like a lot of 'best practices' that held societies functionally together before Christian Rome were wiped out, in many ways just to validate the notion of the God in a bizarre way.

If you planted your crops too early and a hard freeze took them, well this was "God's will" and a punishment for not "Obeying" God or having "Faith" in him, God's will most often defined through the local Priest and Rome to basically capitlize on any catastophre or good fortune to 'validate' and 'prove' God as they were defining him existed.

Of course when these calamities occured it couldn't have had anything to do with the 'best practices' and pre-existing traditions and ways stamped out by Rome.

What things like Christmas and Candlemas display, where the natives and pagans stubbornly clung to their traiditon, Rome just insistently made it instead about God, Jesus or the Virgin Mary in a slow contest of wills that would sometimes last centuries.

These were what the Dark Ages were about, trying to make life as misserable and uncertain as possible, by wiping out most pre-existing technologies and esoteric knowledge to make it a very uncertain world where pleasing God (Rome) was made to be believed was the pathway to success in any endeavor, and failure to do so was certain doom in any endeavor.

Interestingly enough it's pretty clear through things like the Farmer's Almanac that won't disclose how it comes up with it's highly accurate Yearly Forecast that the esoteric knowledge still lives on, in some select organizations and possible some 'secret' societies.

Where the reason the Farmer's Almanac doesn't disclose how it forecasts the weather is people who are fully Christianized would be likely to claim it's methods as 'occult' or 'satanic'.

Which seems pretty much the method that they deter people from esoteric knowledge and wisdom by proclaiming bad by deeming it 'occult', 'satanic', 'demonic' or otherwise 'pagan'.

The quaint stories and myths of a kindly and ultra-benevolent and virtuous Jesus, coupled with the promise of heaven, with the stick of hell and a horrible future and afterlife if you don't obey and believe really does seem to have done wonders at transforming the mindset of the vast majority of the world.

Who would have thunk it.

Could this outcome have been accidental? I doubt it.

Thanks for posting my friend.



posted on Feb, 2 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Did the Essenes REALLY exist ??

or was Flavius Josephus up to his old tricks again!



Dead Sea Scrolls. FAKE.

Scholar Claims Dead Sea Scrolls 'Authors' Never Existed

Biblical scholars have long argued that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the work of an ascetic and celibate Jewish community known as the Essenes, which flourished in the 1st century A.D. in the scorching desert canyons near the Dead Sea. Now a prominent Israeli scholar, Rachel Elior, disputes that the Essenes ever existed at all - a claim that has shaken the bedrock of biblical scholarship.

Elior, who teaches Jewish mysticism at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, claims that the Essenes were a fabrication by the 1st century A.D. Jewish-Roman historian
Flavius Josephus
and that his faulty reporting was passed on as fact throughout the centuries.


www.sherdog.net...



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Wow good catch! If it's correct it a proves Proto's instincts with regard to the essenes in recent posts were right and is reinforcement of the meta theory with regards to Flavius Josephus and as you say his tricks



posted on Feb, 3 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
because said God has failed to manifest itslef in any universally accepted and identifiable way.


My dear dear Proto, this is yet again another deception of Rome. Christ taught that the kingdom of God is within you. You are putting the mask on God that Rome told you to put on him, not what Christ actually taught.

Apparently, God likes winston lights.

He also likes a good batch of Maui Waui.

Anyway, no one hears, no one sees.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 4 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Between the 3 various historical stories that chronicle The Ides of march of 44 BC and discribed by Proto, the one that Julius Caesar himself, planned a spectacular Roman exit through a staged spectacle of his death, to carry on from the shadows at Seborga is without a doubt the most interesting one...

BUT for now lets first try to find out if TPTB prepared something for the The Ides of march of 2011 the commemoration of the 2055th anniversary of Julius Caesar strange disparition...

Last Friday Alex Jones received a call on-air from a woman claiming to be a employee or recent former employee of the White House and making claims about the Obama Administrations knowledge of a catastrophic disaster for March 15, 2011.( The Ides of march of 2011 )

What this is all about....is it true or simply fear mongering from TPTB to influence the opinions and actions of the world and to creat anxiety and insecurity towards some specific end.... i don't know what do you think...





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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Matthew 22:20-22: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"


This passage here fully lends credibility to Proto's theory. IMO

Let's break it down.(read the fine print)

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" = Pay the Taxes you are required by the state.

"and unto God the things that are God's" = more taxes in the form of tithes

So Now You're paying all three sides of the pyramid. Military branch(Government) because they require you too.,Religious branch (Holy Roman Church) of Your own "free" will in the form of tithing. and Financial branch (Bankers) through the very course of doing business(Commerce)you are paying import taxes,tariffs,taking out loans etc.
All the while cruising along happily thinking you have free will, being a good "slave" not causing problems for the Empire.

It sounds like a very sound business plan to me. All Hail Caesar!



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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Adamanteus
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Matthew 22:20-22: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"


This passage here fully lends credibility to Proto's theory. IMO

Let's break it down.(read the fine print)

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" = Pay the Taxes you are required by the state.

"and unto God the things that are God's" = more taxes in the form of tithes

So Now You're paying all three sides of the pyramid. Military branch(Government) because they require you too.,Religious branch (Holy Roman Church) of Your own "free" will in the form of tithing. and Financial branch (Bankers) through the very course of doing business(Commerce)you are paying import taxes,tariffs,taking out loans etc.
All the while cruising along happily thinking you have free will, being a good "slave" not causing problems for the Empire.

It sounds like a very sound business plan to me. All Hail Caesar!


Oh how you have been deceived my friend. Please allow me to show you what Christ was trying to tell you with that passage.

What does Caesar give you?

Protection, Government, Money, Religion.

In exchange you give Caesar your obedience and free will.

GIVE Caesar BACK what he has given you.

And Give God what belongs to God, Your Obedience.

And God will give you back what is rightfully yours, Your free will.

Imagine if everyone in the world gave back what their governments provided. How long can a government survive without taxes, citizens, and obedience?

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Scripture is open to interpretation and since You already gave Your interpretation on the post that I replied to I see no need for You to reiterate it on this post. Although I respect Your views I find it disrespectful to derail Proto's thread by turning it into a Religious debate,so I decline debating who's interpretation is correct since Jesus isn't here to declare the winner.

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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by IAMIAM


And Give God what belongs to God, Your Obedience.


Oh great, a continuation of the lie of subjugation.

It may work for you, but it sure doesn't work for me. I see the Romans as cleverly devising the lie to end all lies in order to carry on this subjugation into the new ages.

Commiserations, Brother.




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by aorAki
Oh great, a continuation of the lie of subjugation.

It may work for you, but it sure doesn't work for me. I see the Romans as cleverly devising the lie to end all lies in order to carry on this subjugation into the new ages.

Commiserations, Brother.



Obedience to his law is simply to love one another. When one suffers, the whole suffers. You are obedient to something by default. You just happen to be obedient to Rome at the moment. Your choice, I am just pointing it out to you.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Adamanteus
Scripture is open to interpretation and since You already gave Your interpretation on the post that I replied to I see no need for You to reiterate it on this post. Although I respect Your views I find it disrespectful to derail Proto's thread by turning it into a Religious debate,so decline debating who's interpretation is correct since Jesus isn't here to declare the winner.


Is it ironic that your avatar is the serpent? LOL

It is good my friend. If you use scripture and interpret it, I will correct you if you get it wrong.

If you do not want me to correct you, do not use scripture.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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As I stated before I refuse to derail Proto's excellent thread with a religious debate. Maybe You should start a thread titled Misinterpretations of Scriptures in Proto's "All roads Lead to Rome thread" in an appropriate Forum.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Adamanteus
As I stated before I refuse to derail Proto's excellent thread with a religious debate. Maybe You should start a thread titled Misinterpretations of Scriptures in Proto's "All roads Lead to Rome thread" in an appropriate Forum.


Thats not necessary. I am not here to debate. The correction has been made. Now the reader can decide for themselves which makes more sense, the wisdom of the serpent or the wisdom of I AM.

I am not picking on you by pointing out your avatar. It just seems as if this has been done before.



With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Fascinating historical rewrite Proto. Congratulations. Perhaps it would be better titled 'The origins of 20th Century Materialism'. Just a thought.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Adamanteus is right, Proto clearly specified that Rome TPTB, is a secret empire Descending from Julius Gaius Caesar. The Roman christian church according to Proto is nothing more then a tool to control the population use by the secret empire (TPTB).

A empire is powerful, if the needs of his population are fulfilled and controled. Bread and circuses....Spirituality has nothing to do here in this thread, scientific minds are teaming up here, to investigate and expose men's cupidity and thirst for power since The Trojan War and who has become secretly the most powerful empire...which is ROME..!

That being said, let me say that we all respect your personal needs for spirituality and we hope you will not try to influence or disrespect our works.

Tks



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by mick1423
Adamanteus is right, Proto clearly specified that Rome TPTB, is a secret empire Descending from Julius Gaius Caesar. The Roman christian church according to Proto is nothing more then a tool to control the population use by the secret empire (TPTB).

A empire is powerful, if the needs of his population are fulfilled and controled. Bread and circuses....Spirituality has nothing to do here in this thread, scientific minds are teaming up here, to investigate and expose men's cupidity and thirst for power since The Trojan War and who has become secretly the most powerful empire...which is ROME..!

That being said, let me say that we all respect your personal needs for spirituality and we hope you will not try to influence or disrespect our works.

Tks


I understand your position my friend, and I sympathise. However, if Jesus Christ is brought up in topic as something he was not, and if scripture is used to support a view, then a rebuttal is perfectly acceptable.

You cannot say, "We do not want to hear about Jesus or Christianity" in the thread, and then use Jesus and Christianity to build a conspiracy.

That is tantamount to saying, we want to have our opinions without you butting in.

If that is what you want, take it off of a public forum. On a public forum you present ideas and others counter them. That is the way it works.

Deny ignorance means you hear all sides.

In closing, if you do not want Jesus in this thread, do not bring him up.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Proto said in another thread that TPTB is playing with us psychologically & emotionally with a roller coaster of events by using multiple fear mongering techniques and by falling into the traps we could indeed get weaker and eventually easily manipulable.

I really think he is right, we should see most of spectacular crisis, has strategies to deconcentrate us. Like Proto said, '' worrying about all those crisis would be kind of silly, and just plays right into the hands of the Corporate Shadow Government who really don't want you focused on the rise of the Police State and the slow but steady march to a One World Government. '' In brainwashing & mind control techniques we can find...


FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed. ( or by terrified them with multiple world threats )

SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep. ( with continue fear mongering on tv and Web )

FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets ( or by making them go bankrupt due to a economic crisis)

ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.( by creating more divorce, family crisis and negative social interrelationships )

CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions ( Television Networks tell the population what is good for them and the next month they say the opposite so we are all mixed up )

CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category. ( TPTB use fast ''junk'' food chains )

ACTIVITY PEDAGOGICS - The subjects are never left alone nor give any private time of their own, they are always in activity ( video game console, tv shows and multiple entertainment services.)

CRITICISM AND SELF-CRITICISM - The subjects are supposed to feel uncertain; under the constant threat of being humiliated and despised. ( reality shows )

REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation ( facebook or cellulars app which lets you see where you and your friends are located and display status updates of what you’re all doing or bi-directional digital cable tv )


Are we boiling frogs...? i think you're right Proto, we could be unconsciously manipulated, throw out secret procedures to lead us into a One World Government...

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