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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Hi ... I found this vid about secret societies [ Jesuits..etc] and thought I would pass along..... peace amazingdiscoveries.tv...

ps there is some good history in the vids they have on the site....you are absolutely correct where the road leads to proto ..peace




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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The ptb behind the scene always create 2 fronts and go to war not to win but to weaken both sides so they can rise from those ashes with the agreement they want to impose on both sides ...very subtle or very minute either way it is always the end justifies the means ..Have a look at the dedication tptb will go threw to make the most seemingly insignificant minute changes to the bible to have their way ....peace amazingdiscoveries.tv...


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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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I'm glad somebody gets it!!



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Good find my friend,

i also think Jesuits are playing an important role in ROME's secret agenda , there is alot of informations in those 2 vids....



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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this link amazingdiscoveries.tv...&cid=1&c=Total_Onslaught&lo=detailed&s=mr&t=a&p=4 is page 4 of the series ...These are very good lectures with lots of evidence ..pick a topic and I am sure it wont disappoint ...peace



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Historical event took place:

January 14, 1129
Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon

On this day, the Knights Templar was formally recognized and approved by the Catholic Church at the Council of Troyes in France.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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A few months back, during social chit-chat which turned with predictable concern to the modern plague of clerical apostasy, a venerable member of the Society of Jesus recounted various word of mouth histories of Communist infiltration of the Jesuits. These included two men sent to join the Society in Italy and Spain by their respective national Communist Parties - the former having left to return to the Party in the early 1950s after more than a dozen years of study and actual ordination; the latter leaving the Society before ordination a decade ago. More disturbing still was the case of a prominent Jesuit seminary rector in Rome who, after being run over and killed, was allegedly found to be a member of the KGB. We pondered briefly all the imponderables of such infiltration as well as the domino effect it might have set in train, like: how many students were deformed by the seminary professor down the years; how many others, clerical and lay, they in turn, as priests, had corrupted; how many other seminaries and Orders were similarly infiltrated; and, above all, how many of the infiltrators and their warped progeny had risen to the episcopate.

In recent years this latter quandary in particular has emerged from the realms of much derided "conspiracy theory" to become a plausible contributory explanation for the otherwise inexplicable levels of corruption, negligence and indifference within Western episcopates. The fact that we will never precisely quantify the degree of infiltration and only rarely identify "plants" beyond all doubt, is no reason to ignore the reality. Besides, it's not as if we hadn't been warned. Ex-Communist and celebrated convert Douglas Hyde revealed long ago that in the 1930s the Communist leadership issued a worldwide directive about infiltrating the Catholic Church....


www.freerepublic.com...

and ties to Freemasonry ?

is this one of the "secret agendas" ?

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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The Jesuit order is a Roman Catholic order of priests and scholars. Their leadership live in the Vatican.

The great secret however is that the society of Jesus was organized by crypto-Jews.


The Jesuit society was created in 1534 by a group of Marrano Jews: Ignatius Loyola, Alfonso Salmeron and Diego Lainez.


In 1492 the entire Jewish community of Spain, some 200,000 of them, were expelled. Amidst these expulsions the tactic of crypto-Judaism is taken up by many in the Jewish community in order to hide and evade exile and persecution. But the conversion is always a dishonest one and they continue their Jewish practices in secret.

The founder of the Jesuit order Ignatius Loyola himself was a crypto-Jew of the occult cabala. In 1491 Loyola began his subversive activities in the Jewish Illuminati order of Spain under the guise of Roman Catholicism.

As John Torell explains:

"In 1491 San Ignacio de Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati order in Spain.

As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic. On May 20, 1521 Ignatius (as he was now called) was wounded in a battle, and became a semi‑cripple. Unable to succeed in the military and political arena, he started a quest for holiness and eventually ended up in Paris where he studied for the priesthood. In 1534 he had moved to Rome where he founded the "JESUIT ORDER," which was to become the most vile, bloody and persecuting order in the Roman Catholic Church."

Still, many of the Jews who were expelled from Spain headed over to Africa and began selling slaves to south American colonies of the Portuguese and Spanish empires. This later flourished into the full out trans-Atlantic slave trade where some 99 million Africans perished.

On top of their Jewish roots, the Jesuits have always behaved similarly to the perfidious Jewish elite. Like the Jews, the Jesuits have been expelled from many nations.....


thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com...



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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by mick1423
 
this link amazingdiscoveries.tv...&cid=1&c=Total_Onslaught&lo=detailed&s=mr&t=a&p=4 is page 4 of the series ...These are very good lectures with lots of evidence ..pick a topic and I am sure it wont disappoint ...peace




i am able to get there with this (minus the quotes)

""http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/categories&cid=1&c=Total_Onslaught&lo=detailed&s=mr&t=a&p=4""

i have also been having trouble with some links.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Actually there is a lot more to the story of Loyola than that bit of religious motivated hit piece lets on.

While he may very well have been practicing the Kabala what ever he was practicing through his bizarre meditation practices ditrubed Rome greatly.

It is said he would go into a trance and then shimmy and shake as if having epileptic fits and that Loyola claimed he was communicating with and directly in touch with God during these.

Rome considered these claims to be herecy and ordered him to Rome where he faced a formal inquisition. He was locked away for several days in the Vatican Jail and made to perform his meditational rituals for the Pope to observe.

What ever happened, instead of being burned at the stake as many surmized would be his fate, the Pope instead freed him ordained him and sanctioned him to start the Jesuit order.

While it's possible this was achieved through some financial arrangement, I think it far more likely that Loyola who's background was that of a military man, managed to convince the Pope that a Militant Order of Priests could extend the religion much futher and wider by combining military tactics with the rites of the Church into a new form of Priest Loyala would define the training and agenda for.

As to whether these bizarre mediational rituals Loyala conducted were real, were the Jewish Kabala or just smoke and mirrors to allow the Pope to elevate him and empower him to start a new branch of militant Priests as being something God had chosen Loyalla through direct communication to do for political cover, one thing if for sure, that Rome has long sought to lay many of it's excesses and actions on the Jews.

I do not doubt for a second that Rome has been conspiring with the highest and most influential elements of Judaism since the inception of Christianity and likely well before, but I don't actually envision a scenario where one is vying for dominance and control over the other, since both thrive off of one another, and aide and abet one another.

What I see in that type of article and theory is the political manipulation that can ultimately lead to the biblical prophecies being fulfilled where in the end, Israel becomes the great enemy and turns on it, and Rome as well for having been corrupted by it.

It also of course sets up a beneficial guessing game that protects in a way both Rome and the Jews as it casts doubt on who is really in control and who is really responsible for what.

Do you try to defeat and dismantle what's behind door number one or what's behind door number two. Part of a shell game to always keep people guessing and enough reasonable doubt to go around.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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The truth is they are never going to tell us our real history....


That is for sure. As they say the winner writes the history and whatever he writes becomes the "truth"

I too noticed that religion, especially Christianity is designed as a religion for slaves. Let's face it from the beginning of time, as soon as man developed culture, "priests" have used religion to enforce the rule of the leaders by scaring the c***p out of the common folk.

The last thing you want is your serfs and slaves to fight you or commit suicide.Therefore there is the prohibition on committing suicide in both the Christian and Jewish religions, not to mention the following passages:

Matthew 22:20-22: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"

Matthew 5:12: Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Psalm 37:11
But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy peace and prosperity.

If I was a ruler that is exactly what I would want my priest teaching the serfs and slaves!



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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Ah Yes,

now we understand more than we see!



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Is there a possible connection (old family ties maybe) with Ignatius Loyola (himself a Spanish Knight) and the Knights Templar ? Perhaps this "swayed" the Pope's decision to establish the Jesuits ?


Although the Moors were relatively tolerant of religious minorities living within their dominions, indeed there was considerable intermarriage between the different communities, Christian, Jewish and Moor, they saw the expanding Christian communities on their borders as ready victims for plunder. The Moorish Kingdom based at Córdoba was itself divided by factionalism and its break-up into smaller taifas (city states) gave the Christian confraternities their chance to consolidate their power and firmly establish themselves in the territories they had captured during two centuries of protracted struggle. [1] By the end of the eleventh century the Christian Kingdoms enjoyed an uneasy truce with the Moors, interspersed with occasional hostilities, but this was disrupted by the appearance of a fanatic Berber sect, the Almohads, in the early twelfth century.

The Almohads, led by Abd al-Moumin, invaded Andalucia in 1147, uniting the Moorish principalities under their rule and menacing the Christian states. The Spanish Christians were forced to put aside their internal conflicts and, with the help of the Templars, who had established themselves in a number of border fortresses, united to defeat this new threat to their security. The example of the Templars, a highly disciplined military confraternity dedicated exclusively to the defense of the Church, proved to be the model which would be followed by the native Spanish Orders. Some of the original defensive fraternities formed in the outlying towns provided the nucleus for the Orders of Chivalry, while others, more modest, later became Maestranzas or Noble Associations, some of which have survived to the present day. The Templars themselves were in gradual retreat in Spain as the local magnates preferred to endow the newly former military Orders rather than further add to the strength of the threateningly powerful Templar Order.

The first Order to be founded, but the second to receive Papal approval, was the Order of Calatrava. The earlier recognition, however, granted to the Order of Santiago by the Holy See, gave the latter precedence before the other three. Santiago was also far more extensively endowed than the other Orders (in the eighteenth century the value of its benefices totaled 40% of the combined value of those of all four Orders together). Once the mission of driving the Moors from Spain was accomplished, the four Orders, like the great crusader Orders elsewhere in Europe, were perceived as over-mighty subjects and it became a priority for the Crown to gain control over them - particularly as the not infrequent quarrels between the rival bodies was a source of dissension at a time when the Crown was struggling to establish its central authority.

The Spanish Kings had frequently obtained the election of close connections of their families as Masters of the Orders and at Calatrava in 1489, Santiago in 1494 and Alcántara in 1495 the administration of the three Magisteries were ultimately granted to King Ferdinand of Aragón, as Sovereign of Aragón and King-Consort of Castille. Finally, by the Bull Dum intra of Pope Adrian VI dated 4 May 1523, the `perpetual administration' of the three Orders was transferred to Charles I (the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V), King of Spain, and his heirs and successors, with the provision that this dignity could be exercised by a future female Sovereign.


www.chivalricorders.org...



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Historical event took place:

January 14, 1129
Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon

On this day, the Knights Templar was formally recognized and approved by the Catholic Church at the Council of Troyes in France.


Very interesting find xuenchen,

What a coincidence...
in the city of Troyes, where the inhabitants of the commune are called Troyens and guess how french called the knights from the Ancient City of Troy...

...Troyens..!

Rome secret roots, hidden in plain sight...
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Roman rise and fall 'recorded in trees'


"Archaeologists have developed oak ring width chronologies from Central Europe that cover nearly the entire Holocene and have used them for the purpose of dating artefacts, historical buildings, antique artwork and furniture," they wrote.

"Chronologies of living and relict oaks may reflect distinct patterns of summer precipitation and drought."

The team looked at how weather over the past couple of centuries affected living trees' growth rings.

During good growing seasons, when water and nutrients are in plentiful supply, trees form broad rings, with their boundaries relatively far apart.

But in unfavourable conditions, such as drought, the rings grow in much tighter formation.

The researchers then used this data to reconstruct annual weather patterns from the growth rings preserved in the artefacts.

Once they had developed a chronology stretching back over the past 2,500 years, they identified a link with prosperity levels in past societies, such as the Roman Empire.

"Wet and warm summers occurred during periods of Roman and medieval prosperity. Increased climate variability from 250-600 AD coincided with the demise of the western Roman empire and the turmoil of the migration period," the team reported.

"Distinct drying in the 3rd Century paralleled a period of serious crisis in the western Roman empire marked by barbarian invasion, political turmoil and economic dislocation in several provinces of Gaul."
www.bbc.co.uk...
Dr Buntgen explained: "We were aware of these super-big data sets, and we brought them together and analyzed them in a new way to get the climate signal.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:58 AM
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Just wanted to say that this is the first thread that really got my interest on ATS and kudos to Protoplasmic Traveler for making us think and positing some fascinating theories.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet

That is for sure. As they say the winner writes the history and whatever he writes becomes the "truth"

I too noticed that religion, especially Christianity is designed as a religion for slaves. Let's face it from the beginning of time, as soon as man developed culture, "priests" have used religion to enforce the rule of the leaders by scaring the c***p out of the common folk.

The last thing you want is your serfs and slaves to fight you or commit suicide.Therefore there is the prohibition on committing suicide in both the Christian and Jewish religions, not to mention the following passages:


My friend, you mock passages that carry the secrets to defeating the Empire because you do not understand them. You call it a doctrines for slave, while not seeing it as the doctrine of Masters. Let me show you.


Originally posted by crimvelvetMatthew 22:20-22: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"


It is your attachments to what Caesar provides that keeps you a slave to Caesar. It is through fear of being without what Caesar provides that is the source of the addiction. When you realise that what the system provides is not more precious than your God given free will, you understand freedom and realise it is not found in those attachments. Only the free expression of your will is of value. To break free of Rome, and ensure your not building another, one must first give back to the system all that it provides. The system needs your input, you do not need its control. What you must be able to understand is that all Mankind has equal right to express their will equally. To do anything less is to tear down Rome only to rebuild it.


Originally posted by crimvelvet
Matthew 5:12: Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


Heaven is what this world could be if we all worked together and loved one another equally as co-creators. This is what the early sect of Christianity believed. This is how they lived their life and it spread. Rome could not defeat the philosophy. People were giving back their wealth and traveling about teaching others to love one another and work together like their Master taught. Rome had to do something to maintain control because death and torture were not effective. Christ was the perfect lesson in love of all. Whether you believe in Christ or not, it does not take a genius nor a religious fanatic to understand the only way to co-habitate is to learn to love one another. What the early Christians understood, was that they were building for the future. Though it has been obfuscated and distorted by those who would use the simple truth for power and control of the masses, it is still the root of the tree.


Originally posted by crimvelvet
Matthew 5:5
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.


This is an obvious outcome. Eventually war mongers will be strong enough to anihilate on another. This will either make them meek to the realisation of their power or it will cause them to chose the uglier path. Then, the meek shall inherit the earth. The question is, how many will be meek to inherit it?


Originally posted by crimvelvet
Psalm 37:11
But the meek will inherit the land and enjoy peace and prosperity.

If I was a ruler that is exactly what I would want my priest teaching the serfs and slaves!


Yes this is true and liberating as well. The problem is numbers. How many are meek enough to love one another unconditionally? How many are meek enough to share? How many are meek enough to give back the goodies provided by Rome, and instead be free by helping others to be free.

Don't confuse meekness with weakness. It takes far more inner strength to be meek than to take the road of self-righteousness.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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I've been wanting to learn Roman history for months now.
And this thread just fell out of the sky onto my pc.
This was a great place to start learning.
I thank you,and congratulate you for writing and dedicating yourself to it.
Still,there is much Roman history to learn.
And so many comparisons to today's world potencies and well,maybe we will be able to predict how they will fall.
As we are already certain that they will.Some may have started to fall,others are rising.The torch will always be lit,but passed on perpetually.

Unless a meteor strikes,then we're all f*cked



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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History on today.....

January 24, 41

The tyrant is dead...

On this day, the nefarious and perverse Roman Emperor Caligula was assassinated by his disgruntled Praetorian guards.

was that the YEAR 41?

or was (is) the calendar offset??



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Emperors who died by Assassination/murder/execution

Emperor and Year of Death
Cause of Death

Gaius Caligula AD 41
Conspiracy led by Praetorian guard officers

Claudius AD 54
Poisoned, probably by Agrippina

Galba AD 69
Murdered by Otho

Vitellius AD 69
Murdered by troops of Vespasian

Domitian AD 96
Stabbed to death by a steward

Commodus AD 192
Strangled by a wrestler

Didius Julianus AD 193
Decapitated on the orders of Septimius Severus

Geta AD 211
Murdered y Caracalla

Caracalla AD 217
Assassinated by an attendant

Macrinus AD 218
Executed

Diadumenian AD 218
Executed by decapitation

Elagabulus AD 222
Assassinated

Alexander Severus AD 235
Murdered in a legionary mutiny

Maximinius Thrax AD 238
Murdered by the Praetorians

Pupienus Maximus AD 238
Murdered by the Praetorians

Balbinus AD 238
Murdered by the Praetorians

Phillip the Arab AD 249
Murdered by Decius

Gallus AD 253
Murdered in a Legionary Mutiny

Volusianus AD 253
Murdered in a Legionary Mutiny

Aemilianus AD 253
Murdered in a Legionary Mutiny

Gallienus AD 268
Murdered at some point during the battle of Naissus

Aurelian AD 272
Murdered by the Praetorians

Tacitus AD 276
Assassinated, probably by his own soldiers

Florianus AD 276
Assasinated by his own soldiers

Probus AD 282
Murdered by his own soldiers

Carinus AD 285
Assassinated by a tribune

Constans I AD 350
Murdered by Magnentius

Gratians AD 383
Murdered by rebellious generals

Valentinan III AD 455
Assassinated by followers of Flavius Aetius

Petronius Maximus AD 455
Kiled either by rioters or a roman soldier

Anthemius AD 472
Executed by Ricimir

Julius Nepos AD 480
Murdered by his own soldiers

Maurice I AD 602
Murdered during a mutiny by mercenaries

Phocas "the Tyrant" AD 610
Executed by Heraclius personally and beheaded

Constans II AD 668
Assassinated by his chamberlain

Leontis AD 705
Executed by Justinian II

Tiberius III AD 05
Executed by orders of Justinian II

Justinian II "Rhinotmetus" AD 711
Executed during a rebellion

Leo V "the Armenian" AD 820
Assassinated

Michael III AD 867
Assassinated by Basil the Macedonian

Nicephoros II Phocas AD 969
Assassinated by John Tzimisces

Romanus III AD 1034
Assassinated, possibly by his wife via poison

Alexius II Comnenus AD 1183
Murdered or strangled with a bow string on the orders of Andronicus comnenos

TOTAL: 43 Emperors died from Assassination/murder/execution


Link with more info about Roman Emperors:

www.allempires.com...



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