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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:09 AM
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I have been researching this for many years now. To me it's honestly common sense for the most part, based on research and who had the most to gain and why from pivotal moments in history by reverse engineering it.

I have worked hard to keep religious theocracy and other things like Space Aliens and such out of the mix though this has been a big point of contention within the thread at times by some members who feel theocracy is valid to the order of the world, and that there are other off world races and or inter-dimensional beings driving it.

This hasn't always been easy, but I feel it's vital so people can focus in on the societal constructs Rome has been using and see that they do have a large element of common sense.

Islam was not so much meant to be a rival Power System as one that would hopefully appease Rome and allow that region of the world some atonomy by using the same God as Rome to base it off of, by not being in direct confrontation with Rome it was hoped that Rome would not absorb it. However what they may have failed to factor in, is that if Rome created the religion, Rome also had the power to debunk the religion and discredit it, and thus Islam right along with it.

King Richard the Lion Heart actually intended to marry his sister to Saladin at the end of the last Holy Crusade and to merge the two religions through that marraige but she refused to to go through with the plan and rebuked her Brother and Saladin both, greatly insulting the latter, while Richard himself never survived the journey back to England as he fell victim to a cook's crossbow bolt who picked it up while delivering soup to the men defending the parapats of the Castle in France Richard was trying to plunder to replenish his coin before heading back to England having failed to retake the Holy Land and a virtual disgrace.

With Richard dead, Saladin insulted, King Phillip of France plotting to suplant John, Richard's Brother, and King Leapold of Austria still fuming over Richard's many egotistical insults, any chance for an alliance between Islam and Christian and a merger died along with Richard.

It is not clear if the Pope would have went along with it anyway, but the truth is Christianity has more in common with Islam than with Judaism.

The bulk of Judaism considered Christ to be a blasphemor and a common criminal, while Islam considered him to be a the second most Holy prophet next to Mohamed. They though rejected the notion of the trilogy of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all being the same entity.

It's a tangled web, but one that actually united 2/3rds of the world in a common base belief of a shared God that all in theory consider the most powerful entity on earth.

This is being used as a precursor to get human kind to accept an all powerful dictator in the form of a human to rule earth, by first instilling the concept of one all powerful central figure in the form of a single God.

It's actually a brilliant plan that has in fact succeeded though Rome still faces it's biggest hurdle in declaring an open one world government. It controls the individual governments of the world, and the resources of the planet, but it will take a very cunning stroke to get the masses beyond the base deception that was used to get them to accomplish all that.

Hang in there, we live in momentous times.




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 06:03 AM
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Here is a very interesting thread about the secret power of Rome

Link to Vatican Emerges From WikiLeaks As A Key Player On Global Scene
 




Originally posted by burntheships

www.catholicnews.com

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- If there's one clear conclusion that can be drawn from the Vatican-related WikiLeaks disclosures, it's that the United States takes the Vatican and its diplomatic activity very seriously.

In memo after memo in recent years, officials of the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See have reported back to Washington on the impact of papal trips, statements and documents; on the Vatican's behind-the-scenes efforts to head off conflicts...
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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The soon to be revealed, ProtoplasmicTraveler's new informations on how, Julius Caesar survived on august 15th 44 BC will be extremely interesting...



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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I am anxiously awaiting the news of what Proto will post.

I have been checking the thread regularly, but I personally have not found too much new to post.
I did however notice something interesting as I was waiting for the bus in the middle of downtown ATL.
I was so taken aback that I wish I would have had a camera to take a picture.

The old Southern Bank and Trust building had been bought by Ga. State University and converted into a school of business.
The interesting part was the wording of the building. It was still the original building untouched from its inception and the original name was spelled in Latin lettering.

Sovthern Bank and Trust.

The u did not exist and it was replaced by a V.
Maybe I am looking for something that doesn't exist, but it seemed a bit odd and out of place to keep the name in tact, the building is ante-bellum in origin and the use of the letter v instead of a u was also most definitely Latin in origin.

Just as I said in a previous post.
This "conspiracy" is all around us. It is so blatant that it can hardly be called a conspiracy.

Unless of course we have been fooled into thinking that it's the "illuminati" who is running the show and not the obvious power players:

1) Rome (the Vatican)
2) London (the Corporation)
3) District of Columbia

Oh how I am anxiously looking forward to the new revelations Proto and Mick.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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I finally read the all thread ,hats off for great work and big thanks to Proto not only for the OP but for almost all the posts during the thread.
I have several questions and notes if you don't mind .

I'm a little practical man and i dont pay attention too much when this conspiracy started , but is also not bad to know the roots of the problem and this my opinion is not discrediting your work.I pay attention of the present and the future .And the present is that there are some hidden people (Rome) who are dragging the sutures, who are making , creating and leading our life and those poeple it seems are evil or simply they don't care about the precious thing and that is human life .So we need to expose them and fight with them for our lifes and our children lifes in future. .You exposed the surface ,some institutions behind them , their goals in very good way and thanks for that again.Now we need to go further ,exposing the names of them, their all organisations ,corporations ,politician parties, judges,head of states..... and to spread that knowledge.

Just some short questions :

What do you think ? How much people of TPTB know about this long conspiracy ? I mean how many people approx who are involved in this evil plan know that this shiet has so long history?Few ? Thousands?

What is your opinion about timeline of starting of WW3 ?



sorry for my english ,is not my first language






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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by mick1423
 


I am anxiously awaiting the news of what Proto will post.



You know Proto...
he probably wants to be well prepare, wrapping up his research results and fine tuning his documents and probably preparing (with the Proto spectacular style ) his OP on Julius Caesar. I can not say anything about it, Proto will post everything for every one to see, as soon as he will be ready and i don't know when. Who knows...maybe on March 15 or March 22 '' 322 '' all i can say, from what i know is that, it is extremely interesting... The important missing piece to this Masterpiece thread... All Roads Lead to ROME..!

I think this thread will never be complete, many more futur threads about rome will help to see this secret conspiracy and a link to all those futur threads, should be had in this thread. This thread is like Proto said....The Epic Thread that lives up to it's name! The mother of all conspiracy theory compiled in this thread has a Research and Reference Guide, The Headquarters... to help the mass to be aware of this secret empire and stand up..!

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Originally posted by xavi1000

What is your opinion about timeline of starting of WW3 ?



For my part, i have a bad feeling about all this negative propaganda about 2012, i think they are using conditioned stimulus to prepared our mind for the end of 2012, for a supposed... inevitable and unplanned event, so my guess will be 2012 for the start of the greatest worldwide chaos strategy '' World War 3 ''

will see....
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posted on Dec, 29 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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As far as nailing down the exact names and places that those who have the power reside, we did have a discussion somewhere in the thread about Seborga, Italy.
That was supposedly where Caesar ran the empire by proxy through Augustus after surviving the initial attack by the senate.

I think that the best bet would be to go after the public faces first. When they are hung out to dry then we can go after those who remain unseen.

That was the gist of my previous posts.
The conspiracy is no conspiracy at all.
It is the obvious reality that becomes more akin to a noose being tightened around the neck of the populace by the politicians that are the yes men for the real elite running the show.

On sites like this, we spend untold man hours devoted to space aliens, the illuminati, and religious figureheads, but the real truth is that the people in control are people just as you and I are people.
And the only truth about religion is that it is a means of control for the masses.

I personally enjoy a religious discussion, but I will always come from the viewpoint that they were all created for social control.
Bill Cooper's first two installments in his Mystery Babylon series explains the man made social control aspect of religion very well.

Here is a link to the first installment

Here is a link to the second installment

In this link he takes on the Vatican

He never directly related this to Rome, but he simply referred to the powers as the Mystery Schools.
But that is not very different than Rome.

He is also very vehemently anti-Masonic, and I do not totally agree with that.
I have known several very fine Masons, such as IAMIAM, but it is the framework of their society, similar to that of the Jesuits, which give them the power of secrecy.

Cheers


Thanks for joining in the thread.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:18 AM
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very good read i dont know how long i spent reading it had to be at least an hour...but i feel like i know a lot more about history now...it just seems like everything fits together just right...i always wondered how rome could just fall off the map.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by mick1423


For my part, i have a bad feeling about all this negative propaganda about 2012, i think they are using conditioned stimulus to prepared our mind for the end of 2012, for a supposed... inevitable and unplanned event, so my guess will be 2012 for the start of the greatest worldwide chaos strategy '' World War 3 ''


I think 2012 is a distraction to keep people focused at something distant when what is about to happen is right at the door. I think "whatever will go down" will be within six months. It's like the old magicians trick---raise your arm and say "Look over there" (2012) when you look, the magician reaches with the other hand and tweaks your nose. Whatever is planned will be very soon and not as far away as 2012.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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I don't think that what is planned will happen in a short time.
I do agree that things seem to be speeding up, but I think that has more to do with the speed of connectedness in the world.
Terence McKenna, who was a proponent of this 2012 theory and basically started the movement, did not intend for people to think that world was going to end.
I met him (RIP) and he was very matter of fact concerning numbers and concepts such as Moore's Law of Acceleration, etc...
A little Kurzweil and a little Tim Leary put together.

He saw it as a time of great transformation and I do think that it does have significance and the most interesting thing is that TPTB use that significance to their advantage to create world events to mimic prophecy.
It is like a resonate of time compacted and repeating in cycles.

His take on the idea was very heavy and based upon computer models of the I-Ching.
He names the computer program Timewavezero.
He based his ideas on the use of '___' and he noticed the pattern, which followed the I-Ching, and applied it to computer models. He noticed the pattern within the hexagrams of the I-Ching.

Within this pattern he saw that his graph matched with the broken hexagrams of the I Ching.

These two dates were put together by chance.
He noticed that his graph corresponded with the Mayan Calender after his discovery of Timewave zero.
He thinks that novelty, which is the speed of travel and connectedness, is in competition with tradition, which is the entropy of connectedness.
And the less connectedness, the more authoritarian a timeframe.
The patterns of novelty and tradition were communicated to him while in an altered state on '___'. Yes.
He openly says that this is his only true novel idea ever.
This is also the basis for transhumanism.

This video is spot on when they translate his idea of 2012, although some see as propaganda for the youth of tomorrow.



His take on consciousness was very heavy into the Gnosis.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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This is Terence McKenna's complete Time Wave Zero series.
I would seriously suggest watching it.

This guy is no nut.
He was a true rebel.

He was never associated with any "secret society".
He was never some paid agent.
He was an academic Ethno-Biologist who spent his time after school in Amazon as an anthropologist and he was initiated as a shaman.

This was what he brought back.
For real...Watch the movie and it will make you think differently about the larger time frame picture of 2012.

Part One



Part Two



Part three



I am not promoting this, but it could be yet another academic who was financed by Rome in order to promote an idea to mimic prophecy.

Interesting indeed.

Edit to add:

Notice that in part two he notes he has a saying that he noticed from the timewave program and it is that "Rome falls nine times an hour"...
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posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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"Moscow is the 'third Rome,' and due to the lack of a 'second Rome,' relations with the 'first Rome' are very important to us."




Historical animosity between the two churches runs deep. The Orthodox Church has accused the Vatican of aggressive proselytizing in Russia. The Catholic Church has denied the accusations and has expressed concern over the treatment of Russia's Catholic minority. The two churches have also argued over ecclesiastical property in Ukraine.

"Moscow is the 'third Rome,' and due to the lack of a 'second Rome,' relations with the 'first Rome' are very important to us."
Putin, as a devout believer, has followed the Orthodox Church's line. The Russian president did not invite former Pope John Paul II to visit Russia, as his predecessors Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin had done.

In 2005, the Russian Orthodox Church, with the help of its supporters in the Kremlin and Duma, managed to push through new legislation that denoted Russian Orthodoxy, Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism as Russia's national confessions. Catholicism received the status of a "guest confession."


politicom.moldova.org...


Within decades after the Fall of Constantinople to Mehmed II of the Ottoman Empire on 29 May 1453, some were nominating Moscow as the "Third Rome", or the "New Rome".[2] Stirrings of this sentiment began during the reign of Ivan III, Grand Duke of Moscow who had married Sophia Paleologue. Sophia was a niece of Constantine XI, the last Eastern Roman Emperor and Ivan could claim to be the heir of the fallen Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire).

At the beginning, the notion of "Third Rome" was not necessarily imperial in nature, but rather apocalyptic. Its purpose was to point out the role of Russia as the last small remainder "in the wilderness", of the once-great Christian civilization, most of which had succumbed to heresy - Roman Catholicism was considered heretical by many Orthodox believers. Thus Russia was seen as comparable to the seven thousand Israelites who had refused to worship Baal during the lifetime of the prophet Elijah, an immensely popular biblical figure in Orthodoxy.

The story of "Third Rome" ("the second Constantine") started in Tver, during the reign of Boris of Tver, when the monk Foma (Thomas) of Tver had written The Eulogy of the Pious Grand Prince Boris Alexandrovich in 1453.[3][4]



en.wikipedia.org...

Maybe we should look towards Russia for an answer.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin completed his state visit to Sofia by paying respect to the relics of St. John the Baptist and by meeting with His Holiness Maxim, Patriarch of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church.

After Putin met with Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov, he was again with Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, who accompanied his Russian counterpart to the St. Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in downtown Sofia, the largest Bulgarian church named after the 13th century Russian prince St. Alexander Nevsky (1220-1263 AD) honored as a defender of Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

Putin lit a candle and paid respects to the relics of St. John the Baptist discovered in July in the Bulgarian Black Sea town of Sozopol, which happened to be on display in Sofia.
www.novinite.com...
Putin was then received by the head of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Maxim, who tanked the Russian leader for his contribution to the development of the Russian Orthodox Church.


You think these world leaders don't know?



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Building a new Rome
www.economist.com...



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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"Moscow is the 'third Rome,' and due to the lack of a 'second Rome,' relations with the 'first Rome' are very important to us."
Putin

What do you think he meant by lack of a second?
en.wikipedia.org...


MOSCOW THE THIRD ROME (excerpts)

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by the monk Filofei

To you who have been selected to rule, by the highest, the all-powerful and almighty hand of God, by Whose will all rulers on earth govern and Whom all great people praise and about Whom the powerful write the truth, I address these words to you, the illustrious sovereign, Grand Prince [of Muscovy], occupier of the high throne, the Orthodox Christian Tsar and lord of all, the administrator of all Holy Churches of God and of the Holy Universal and Apostolic Church and of the Church of the Holy Mother of God, that has made such honest and illustrious progress that it has been enabled to triumph over the Church of Rome as well as over the Church of Constantinople.

The Apollinarian heresy caused the downfall of old Rome. The Turks used their axes to shatter the doors of all churches of the Second Rome, the city of Constantinople. Now [in Moscow], the new Third Rome, the Holy Ecumenical Apostolic Church of your sovereign state shines brighter than the sun in the universal Orthodox Christian faith throughout the world. Pious Tsar! Let [people of] your state know that all states of the Orthodox faith have now merged into one, your state. You are the only true Christian ruler under the sky!

Tsar! As long as you hold that position, be mindful always of God. Fear God who has bestowed so much on you. Do not rely on gold, wealth, or glory! All of that is collected here and it will remain here on earth. Tsar! Remember the Blissful who held the sceptre in His hand and the imperial crown on His head and said: "Do not turn your heart to wealth that is running away from you." The wise Solomon said: "Wealth and gold are valued not when they are hidden, but when people offer help to those in need"...... Tsar! During your rule remember [an additional] two commandments.... [The first is]: Do not violate the order which was chosen by your great predecessor [emperor] Constantine, the beatific Vladimir, the great and God-selected laroslav, and all other blissful and saintly [rulers] from whom you have descended. [The second is]: Tsar! Do not harm the Holy churches of God and honest monasteries. [Do not expropriate] that which has been given to God in return for eternal blessing of the memory of a family. The Fifth Great and Holy Ecumenical Council issued a very strict injunction [against such action]....

Now I beg you and beg you again, please remember what I have said. For God's sake, please also remember that now all [Orthodox] Christian kingdoms have merged into your tsardom. Henceforth we can expect only one kingdom to come. That kingdom is eternal. I have written this because, admiring you as I do, I have appealed and have prayed to God that He may bless you. Change your stinginess to generosity and your inclemency to kindness. Comfort those who cry and moan day and night. Protect the innocent from their tormentors. I repeat here what I have written above. Pious Tsar! Listen and remember that all Christian kingdoms have now merged into one, your [tsardom]. Two Romes have fallen. The third stands Ifirm]. And there will not be a fourth. No one will replace your Christian tsardom ...

www.dur.ac.uk...
Now Putin declares it again.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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IT'S OFFICIAL!
VATICAN ADMITS "JESUS" IS STORY BASED ON SON OF JULIUS CAESAR!!!!





The Vatican has released evidence proving that Jesus Christ was an "exaggerated and mythologized" version of Lucius Caesar, with key dates and details in the life of the Roman prince altered to hide his role in the early Christian Church.

Original documents which have been carbon dated to 50 years before the birth of Christ show that Lucius Caesar was the youngest of two sons Julius Caesar secretly produced with his own daughter, Julia, and used to begin the process of "Christianizing" Europe.

Hoping to infiltrate the Jewish and British cultures with clever impostors, Vatican records detail the lengths Gaius Julius Caesar II went to in order to secure a greater tax base for the expanding empire. While his father, Gaius Julius Caesar I was opposed to creating a false religion to replace Roman tradition, Julius actively employed Lucius, his older brother Gaius Julius Caesar III, and his daughter, referred to as Servilius, to execute the plan.


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The Vatican admits the scam "will take a great toll on public faith and well-being in the transitional phase that is sure to come, as devout Christians adjust to seeing religion as a personal expression rather than an institutionalized set of beliefs with allegorical figureheads."

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A source inside the Vatican claims that the truth about Christianity's unseemly origins have always been known by the pope and other high-ranking figures, but that a philosophy of "encouraging a climate of generous love" developed with the hope of avoiding prosecution.

www.worldslastchance.com...



OK, I have to admit I sensationalized a bit with the caption. I can't really say that it's official because I can't find any official links to Catholic news sources to uphold this. All "news sources" that have carried this story refer back to a source in Canada: www.wireservice.ca...

So, perhaps WikiLeaks will have the "documentation"

Idk...just looks like we will have to wait and see.
I did find it to be a very interesting read and if true, I would imagine many would still deny it while others would be very angry or even traumatized.





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posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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With the Catholic Church under greater attack than ever for allowing the Roman practice of child sexual training to continue, Vatican officials seem ready to confess their greatest lie.


I don't think this one is going to fly. Nice article, but if the Vatican ever released info like this, the game is up.

Interestingly, while I personally think this article you mention is probably phony info, it does go to demonstrate how much power the Vatican has over Christianity. "If" such info was released, the religion would collapse, even if millions of evangelicals protested, imagining that the evil Vatican had made it all up. And that kind of power is amazing really.

Anyway, I won't hold my breath on this one, but good food for thought.

JR



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Alethea
The Vatican admits the scam "will take a great toll on public faith and well-being in the transitional phase that is sure to come, as devout Christians adjust to seeing religion as a personal expression rather than an institutionalized set of beliefs with allegorical figureheads."

So, perhaps WikiLeaks will have the "documentation"

Idk...just looks like we will have to wait and see.
I did find it to be a very interesting read and if true, I would imagine many would still deny it while others would be very angry or even traumatized.


If this is true, it will be a very strategic move by the Vatican. They have held the reins of power by distorting Christs teachings. Now that people are realising how opposed christs teachings were to the power of church and state, they are going to outright nullify them by claiming he was made up. Unfortunately, too few understand Christs teachings to see them for what they are. Freedom.

The beast must be in his death throws to resort to such a tactic. Be prepared for a new reign under the Anti-Christ. It won't last long.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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A little more info from the article:




Lucius and his brother were sent to India as young men, around the time Roman records, referring to them as the adopted sons of Augustus Caesar, claim them to have died in battle. As has been rumored about Jesus, they learned Buddhist principles of non-violence and egoless inner transformation to appeal to Jews tired of excessive demands to perform blood-filled sacrifice rituals, and follow hundreds of meaningless and time-consuming rules, an invention of the Caesar family's ancestors 600 years before in Babylon to enslave the spiritual-minded Israelites with the "invisible chains" of oppressive monotheism.

When this attempt ended in the Jews' demand for Lucius' crucifixion over the issue of accepting Roman taxation, Roman officials removed him from the cross prematurely and, after a brief period of recovery, transported him to Britain, where his brother was already posing as King Casswellaunus while guarding their mother according to Julius' demand that she not be allowed to produce additional heirs.

The events that followed, including Caesar's trip to Britain in 55 BC when he murdered his son Gaius as Lucius and Julia fled to France to conceal their soon-to-born child, Julia's murder by Julius after returning to Rome into a marriage with Gaius Sr., and the resulting assassination of Julius Caesar by a group with Lucius, or "Brutus" (the British), at their helm in 44 BC, are not only well-documented, but secretly form the basis for much of modern dramatic storytelling.




Maybe this has been the "end game" plan all along. Maybe this is where the "Lucius Trust" comes in. Maybe this is the "Revived Roman Empire". Maybe this is where the vatican gold has been deposited? Looks like Lucius has been in the background waiting for a long time. Maybe this is what is imminent and the "disclosure" article above is how it dovetails to "pick up the pieces". "Religion" is not spirituality---it is ritual and dogma. What many people are missing, imo, is the clues that are in the scriptures for the play-out. However, many people will be receptive to this New Age Spirituality and will embrace it.



posted on Dec, 31 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Interesting things to think about, but it's just way too "earth-shattering".

Perhaps something like this could be the "end game", but that's about what it would amount to.

The article actually says that even Judaism was created. Obviously Islam would crumble if Christ was fictional, or more likely, could fragment into something very wild. Even Christianity, it could easily continue on the fringe, as conspiracy theories are trotted out to explain the "lies" out of the Vatican, and "true" Christians got angry and went militant.

In short, what would result would likely be so chaotic that even our masters wouldn't be able to keep it under control.

Still a bit far-fetched at this point, IMO. But if there are any "powers" behind the release of this info, maybe an article like this functions as a "test-balloon", gauging people's reactions.

Who knows? 2012 and all that hoopla is just around the corner!

JR



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