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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by squirelnutz



Bank of China took a stake in a branch of the celebrated Rothschild banking dynasty on Thursday, but ruled out a white-knight rescue of crisis-torn institutions in New York or London. In a deal pitched loftily above the global turmoil engulfing financial markers, the Chinese bank said it would acquire 20 per cent of La Compagnie Financiere Edmond de Rothschi


China bought stock in Rothschilds in 2008

PROOF

Errm, that is exactly the opposite of what proto was claiming. That shows the Bank of China (which is owned by the Chinese government) buying a 20% stake in a Rothschild business.
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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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It is entirely possible this is Rothschild laundering or floating money between one Financial Institution and another. Without a detailed list of investors there is no way to know, who all has invested in the Bank of China. The reserve banks we have investigated so far, are all typically like our Federal Reserve, private investors many of them foreign investors.

It's not uncommon here in the United States to see someone like Wayne Huizenga buy something like the Florida Panthers Hockey Team and then have the Florida Panthers Hockey Team buy the Dadeland Marriott Hotel, and then turn around and have the Dadeland Marriott Hotel buy a large portion of Florida Panther Stock, in this fashion he shuffles money from one enterprise to another where it's most needed, while saddling other investors with a growing debt.

This may or may not be the case, and so far by your own admission you have done no quality research into the Bank of China other than your presumption that China owns the Bank of China.

Many people presume the Federal Reserve is owned by the United States Government but in reality it is not.

We have for the most part on this thread been focused on the nations that have the most impact on us individually since we live in these nations.

In other words people who live in the United States are much more interested in doing research and finding out the exact details of the Federal Reserve ownership versus the Bank of Luxemburg.

So in all reality if you are truly concerned about China, you can do one of two things, you can simply make presumptions which likely will not be correct, as it's easy at a cursory glance to see that yes there is involvement between the Bank of China and Rothschild, or you could pitch in like many people on this thread are doing and roll up your sleeves and attempt to do some quality research on the subject yourself, like many people in this thread are doing in specific areas.

This thread for the most part, when it's not being invaded by overly repititous naysayers, is a collabrative effort to do quality research into these kinds of things.

No not much attention or thought has been paid to China for the above stated reasons, but that does not mean, that if and when we get around to it, we won't end up digging up the same kind of tightly gaurded ownership which prevents the U.S. Congress from doing a Audit of the Federal Reserve.

So you really have two choices, pitch in and help, and challenge yourself to dig for the truth and look for ways to dig for it, or you can be a critic who only needs to have the ability to decry and attempt to distrubt things based solely on your presumptions absent any real critical facts.

You can join a fine team of quality and dedicated intelligent members who really care about these things in meaningful ways, or you can join a team of people who like to distrubt threads with flyby sneers and jeers whose brains are only challenged as far as it takes them to find something to sneer and jeer at that doesn't fit into their own presumptions.

Getting an authentic list of stock holders and the board of directors for the Bank of China would be no easy task, but ultimately it's what you would need if you wanted to prove to 'us' who owns the Bank of China.

As it stands right now though, there is a real connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank of China so since you weren't aware of that, and were skeptical of that, you might want to ask yourself how much good it really does you being skeptical about things, you aren't investigating or fairly considering.

I am pretty sure I drove home the fallacy of the "Do you have a link" crowd who believes nothing is real unless there is an Internet Link for it.

So you really ought to dedicate yourself to doing some real research on China and the Central Bank if it's 'your' area of concern.

The people actively engaged in the thread on an honest level would be delighted to see your research on it as you move along.

Thanks.


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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by Big Trouble in Little Chi

Originally posted by serbsta
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What pieces? Moving fast compared to what period of time?

Just curious as to what you're perceiving.


I was unaware my question would be scrutinized by someone whose been attempting to derail this thread throughout its duration, but assuming you are genuinely asking: North Korea/South Korea, Iran, Russia, China, the NATO countries that wish to set up the defense systems that could lead to war, Wikileaks, two unpopular wars in the Middle East, the rioting and protesting in various parts of the world, laws that concern the internet kill switch, and much much more. I would say that this is all moving very fast compared to 1992.


Serbsta is not trying to derail the thread. Like many people he has some serious points of contention with the Original Post, like many people those points of contention revolve around the more ancient past.

Yes Serbsta likes to throw a potshot in here and there, over one of those points of contention, which I really don’t mind, because Serbsta has dedicated himself in large part to investigating the financial dealings of part of the Cabal.

The original post was not written as gospel, how much or how little of it is true is really not relevant.

Yes we can look for other ways to view and understand the history and the past but that is not going to change the past.

The Opening Piece as I have stated many times before is a rewriting of history based on motive and opportunity by moving backward in time from the present to the beginnings of the Roman Empire. Rome is the keyword there.

It’s meant to open people’s eyes to other possibilities to help people see that being overly reliant of the Dogmas of History that have been for the most part tightly controlled by the Church and a small cabal of publishers and victorious nations, is not necessarily a good or an empowering thing.

Yet it’s laid out starting with the ancient past to the present for a reason, and that’s to change how we perceive the present and to prompt investigation into the real mechanisms and truths that are running the world we all share.

Serbsta recognizes that basic truth about the thread, and while he and I will never likely agree on some points of the ancient past, because it’s unlikely he or I will ever dig up enough evidence at this advanced point in time to convince one another anything differently, Serbsta does recognize that there are many valid and important parts of this in the present and near past, that are well worth investigating that substantiate in part or may the whole premise of the thread that Rome and it’s agents are still running and conquering the world.

That’s hard work these are tightly controlled logistical secrets maintained by the Powers that Be when it comes to our banking and financial system, laws, and other modern day aspects of the power structure that dominates the world.

I admire Serbsta rising to that challenge. He has been doing some very quality oriented research and contributing it to the thread, and I think it’s safe to say the more he does and the more he finds, the more concerned he becomes about what he is finding.

A lot of fly by posters who have a poor understanding of what the thread is really about love to take little snippets out of context for mostly political reasons, ATS political reasons and misrepresent them for those reasons but the truth is there is no Cult of Personality where I am looking for or insisting anyone or everyone agree with me in every detail and aspect.

What I am doing is hoping to find those quality and highly intelligent members who have a passion to learn more, and to cordially agree to disagree when necessary on things we don’t agree on, but to focus the thread on doing that present day research in to how this all factors in to the present day.

Serbsta is a huge part of that research for which I remain eternally grateful, and if him being happy about that ongoing involvement involves a little potshot over what we disagree on here and there, it truly doesn’t matter because he is doing great research on the thread, towards the most critical and helpful aspects of the thread.

Some people enjoy misrepresenting this thread as an all or nothing proposition, you either agree with the Opening Piece in its entirety, or you don’t. If you do, there is something to this conspiracy; if you don’t there is nothing to this conspiracy.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

There is something to this conspiracy, and those of us doing the research on it, know that.

The opening piece is there to get people to open there eyes and want to then do that. To get involved to search out answers, to find out the truth about the world we live in right now.

A lot of people who haven’t read the thread to any extent misclassify it often because their own predispositions as a religious thread, or a thread about the ancient past.

It is neither, it is a thread designed to do for the most part exactly what it is doing, investigating the details of the Modern Day Roman Empire, by first getting people to consider, that the Ancient Roman Empire never died.

It’s grown into a colossal thread in that process, at times confusing and at times interrupted by determined members who want to make the thread about something else and represent it as something else, but what Serbsta and a number of other members are doing like Josephus, and Epiphron, Alethea, Xuenchen and many others have been helping with is that ongoing research, with a number of other interested members stopping by from time to time to review or add snippets too.

We all often disagree at times with one another, over some elements but it’s not important, what’s important is that the thread remains and is a vehicle for quality oriented research and information.

Yes from time to time Rome gets invaded by Barbarian Forum Gangs, Naysayers who haven’t read the thread, who feel threatened by it or me, and star each others snide little comments and tortured logic and dismissals in some vein hope that this will annoy me to a Terms of Service Violation or end topical discussion on the thread.

In true Roman fashion they would like to divide us in that pursuit since it’s obvious that their motives for adding nothing of substance to the thread, grossly misrepresenting it, and coordinating those endeavors amongst themselves are all about trying to derail and shut the thread down.

I am sure that its very frustrating to them that they have never succeeded in that, and since few if any of them provide and contribute anything of quality to ATS other than turning it into a sport for their antics and insecurity complexes they are as bound to be a permanent fixture of the thread off and on as the people who are dedicated doing the quality research.

I have every confidence though that the thread will continue on producing that great research that has opened up hundreds of peoples eyes here on ATS and an untold number of people around the world, through the republishing of this thread far and wide.

We have (those of us who are honestly participating) been doing a great job! Let’s just keep that up and there is no telling where this thread might eventually go and lead to.

Believe me when I say, our critics are frightened of it and jealous of it, for a reason.

Thanks.

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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It is entirely possible this is Rothschild laundering or floating money between one Financial Institution and another.

More innuendo.



Without a detailed list of investors there is no way to know, who all has invested in the Bank of China.

There is a publicly available list of investors: The People's Republic of China own 70% of the bank - that's a controlling interest. Just like they have a conrolling interest in all 4 national banks.

There is no evidence Rothschild owns any of it, however we do know that BoC owns 20% of a Rothschild organisation. These are facts.



The reserve banks we have investigated so far, are all typically like our Federal Reserve, private investors many of them foreign investors.

Actually, the Fed is unusual in this respect - most large central banks are government owned. The Bank of England, for example, was nationalised in 1946 and is still wholly owned by the UK Government. It has no private investors.




Thanks.

Happy to help.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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There is a publicly available list of investors: The People's Republic of China own 70% of the bank - that's a controlling interest. Just like they have a conrolling interest in all 4 national banks.


Source please. Considering you misrepresented yourself yesterday and claimed that a Google Search returned you no information on Rothschild, what you have to say is suspect.




There is no evidence Rothschild owns any of it, however we do know that BoC owns 20% of a Rothschild organisation. These are facts.


Which you only know because "we" uncovered that for you when you claimed there was no Rothschild Involvement.

"We" though have yet to fully investigate the Bank of China, "You" though clearly haven't investigated it at all.




Actually, the Fed is unusual in this respect - most large central banks are government owned. The Bank of England, for example, was nationalised in 1946 and is still wholly owned by the UK Government. It has no private investors.


Source please, by the way Wiki is not a source, the actual Charter, with a list of Governors would be one.

Not particuarly interested in your oppinions on these things.




Happy to help.


Seems to me "We" have been the ones helping you.

I highly suggest you engage in some quality research as ultimately that is what the people engaged in this thread in an ongoing basis are doing.

This is ultimately what you will need to provide to convince any of them, the veracity of your opinions.

As it stands now you have presented no credible research to the thread, and have displayed you are challenged in that regard.

Thanks for cluttering up the thread.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Source please. Considering you misrepresented yourself yesterday and claimed that a Google Search returned you no information on Rothschild, what you have to say is suspect.

I certainly said no such thing. I said google didn't turn up any interview with Rothschild in the UAE where he claimed he owned the Bank of China. Anyway, this was your claim, not mine - it is up to you to support it, not for me to do your googling. As it turns out you were utterly wrong, and as usual you can't provide any supporting evidence for your wild claims.



Which you only know because "we" uncovered that for you when you claimed there was no Rothschild Involvement.

Again, stop claiming I said things that I didn't. I said Rothschild did not own the Bank of China, which is entirely accurate. As it is someone else found that BoC actually owns some of Rothschild's bank - the opposite of your claim, whichever way you desperately spin it.



Source please, by the way Wiki is not a source, the actual Charter, with a list of Governors would be one.

Here is the summary:

www.bankofengland.co.uk...

And here is the the legislation:

www.bankofengland.co.uk...

The BoE is wholly owned by the Government, and has no shareholders.



Not particuarly interested in your oppinions on these things.

Why do you keep asking me questions then?. Make up your mind.



Thanks

Really, it's not a problem.
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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Sorry Charlie, if you had been following the thread what we are looking at for 'proof' is actually source documents.

These are the only things that prove things one way or the other.

Your over reliance on the dogmas of the official institutions for the answers in regards to the very crimes we are trying to expose is just patently rediculous and absurd.

This is a conspiracy site, and if we weren't interested in finding the truth we would do exactly what you are doing, taking everything on face value from official sources.

Now if you aren't prepared to do some real research on the Bank of China why waste our time.

You might not be able to use google.

We though are:

whatreallyhappened.com...

www.illuminati-news.com...

www.menafn.com...

Lots of links about Rothschilds interview in Dubai.

So do us all a favor. If you don't have any real research to back up your opinion now that you have stated your opinion a dozen times, please explain other than playing to a small forum gang what you feel your opinion has to do with the relevance of the ongoing real research being done on this thread, that is looking for "official documents" not "official stories"?



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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man...GREAT article!! i am learning so much about history on this website, but this article is really amazing. Jim Marrs watchout...


Hey thanks my friend, you know I find great inspiration in the hundreds and hundreds of positive comments that I have recieved on this thread in times like this.

I think now might be a great time to rethank everyone who has contributed positively in the thread.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by Cherryontop
Awesome work Proto.
It doesn't get any better than this. This IS the mother of all conspiracies.

S&F for you my friend

This thread should be front page for the rest of the year.


Hey thanks my friend!

Did you know it's currently number 5 on the list of all time greatest threads?

Thanks for being a part of that!



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by huntergatherer

thank you PT for an AWESOME read

thank you ATS

WOW


Hey you are very welcome!

I know hundreds and hundreds of people have truly enjoyed this quality thread.

Thanks so much.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Fabulous work here my friend! I couldn't wait for you to create this thread and now here it is! I'll be going through this stuff for a while and always referring back to it.


I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. I am happy I could oblige.

Referring back to it is a great idea, since the thread is all about ongoing quality research!

Thanks my friend.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by belfast
Fantastic Thread

Sadly everything seems to fit in so well


Yes it really does, doesn't it?

I know a lot of people have reached that same conclusion and it's prompted a lot of really great research!

Thanks for posting!



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Dock9
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Excellent



Gratifying to note your inclusion of the true origins of Islam. I've been saying it for years in the hope of sowing the seed of thought within those who bought the lie

And very gratifying to find within your opus mention of Gnosticism and the recent rape of Gnostic repositories within what is now southern-iraq

Great work -- thank you


The thread is all about trying to uncover the real truth...

By discarding the official stories, and engaging in a quality oriented effort to uncover the real facts!

I think it will produce some really great information as time goes on.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Sorry Charlie, if you had been following the thread what we are looking at for 'proof' is actually source documents.

Ha. That's rich, coming from someone who claims his information comes from a secret cabal and therefore can't provide any written sources. The Bank of England is owned by the UK government - you can read the legislation I linked.



These are the only things that prove things one way or the other.

Good, I hope we can expect much more documentation from yourself then.




Lots of links about Rothschilds interview in Dubai.

Ah, OK, now we are getting somewhere - you are actually providing links in an attempt to support your claims. One of the conspiracy sites actually links to the original interview with The National of UAE:

www.thenational.ae...

Unfortunately for you, nowhere in it does Rothschild claim he controls the Bank of China. Case closed I think.

By the way, maybe you should read your own links: the las one was about some arab bloke buying some hotel with Rothschild funding - nothing to do with the Bank of China.
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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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Ah, OK, now we are getting somewhere - you are actually providing links in an attempt to support your claims. One of the conspiracy sites actually links to the original interview with The National of UAE:


No now you are getting somewhere as we do your research for you, that you claimed you were unable to find through google even though google returns hundreds of results.


Originally posted by Kandinsky
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I think this is an excellent OP and amongst the most focused and well-researched ATS has seen. The effort you've put into it is seriously admirable and deserving of stars, flags and applause...SnF from me at any rate




Thanks I know the vast majority of posters who can do their own quality research and not be reliant on official sources will reach similiar conclusions!

reply to post by TrueAmerican
 





Great work PT. I have been saying for a while now that if someone ever gave me the button to a nuclear weapon, I'd have it dropped on the Vatican. Hopefully with your thread, more people might understand why.


Hey don't let Father Luke Duke hear you say that, it's the kind of thing that makes him angry and want to try to derail threads by cluttering them up with a lot of off topic nonsense, misrepresentations, and poorly researched dogmas!


Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
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I totally agree Proto. I love these threads you have been making about Rome.

I seem to remember you mentioning a couple of months ago that you were going to do some threads about Rome and I was eagerly anticipating them. I said at the time 'all roads lead to Rome'


I had suspected for a long time time that the Catholic Church was just an extension of the Roman Empire.

Thank you so much for putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.


Oh boy, hey thanks but this is the kind of thing that upsets Father Luke Duke he likes to talk about China not Rome!


Originally posted by thebulldog
Wow! Great writing, with a good pace and focus. Long threads can be a chore but with a good writer you'll never notice. Excellent job on the research and your interpretation. You provided sources and most admirable of all: admitted that this is a theory and emergent like all things. Not a proven course of events.


Yeah you know the thread has a lot of great sources in it, but wouldn't you know, one or two politically motivated posters like to focus in on the one or two ellements in the thread that I gleaned the information from personal interaction with others, and then claim that it's all based on that!

I wonder why they would do that?






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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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I wonder why we don't use plain old numbers when referring to a much anticipated gladiator like sport that is to be played out in a huge arena. Modern day college campuses are usually associated with Roman symbology as well. I didn't know it but I found out that the medical symbol widely recognized today has its roots in Rome as well.


Snakes and serpents have a more ancient pedigree, but it is Greek mythology which gives us the staff of Asklepios, twined around with a snake, with which this gifted healer could resurrect the dead. Similarly it is Greek mythology which gives us the caduceus, the winged staff of Hermes with its two intertwined serpents, by way of the Mesopotamian serpent-god Ningishzida who, like Hermes, was also a channel between the underworld and the yearly restoration of life. It is thus perhaps appropriate that the caduceus as modern medical symbol is most common among pharmaceutical companies. Indeed, until the Medical Department of the United States Army adopted the caduceus for its symbol in 1902, professional medical associations almost exclusively used the staff of Asklepios instead.


www.helium.com...

Never mind the critics who demand proof Proto. I think that most people understand what it is you are theorizing and that those same people agree with what you've found out thus far.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Isn't it odd on how many things are unmistakingly Roman in their charachteristics that we see Roman Numerals Associated with them.

This is often true of official government documents as they are broken down into sections, subsections, paragraphs and lines.

Makes you wonder if they are being so specifically numbered in that style for someone elses benefit other than ours?

You know it's truly amazing my dear friend, as someone who was there even before the beginning of this helping me do some of the research that went in this thread, would you have ever imagined 8 months after it was published it would still be generating as much daily activity than the threads on the board being published for the very first time.

That so many members have been following along, on one side of the coin or another, I think speaks to something that some would prefer not to admitt or concede.

The information that keeps getting deposited in this thread is truly amazing, and people are more and more aware of it.

8 months, and over 3,000 replies and still generating pages a day, with startling information being discovered all the time by some really quality researchers, its no surprise there are some real entrenched interests out there, who would like to bog it down, slow it down, and knock it off track if they could.

It's great to see you again my friend. I some times feel this thread is the Super Bowl!



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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here is all the uses of Roman numerals today:

• Clocks
• Sundials
• Introductions, section numbers, volume numbers etc. in modern books
• After the names of monarchs, popes and royally conceited individuals
• Centuries
• Dates on buildings
• Dates in copyright information (movies, especially)
• Sport Tournaments
• Movies sequels
• Guitar chords
• Cranial nerves
• Crossword puzzle

and at the bottom of the pyramid on the back of the one dollar bill...






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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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Ok so I'm reading this book called "The Greatest Lies Throughout History" by Alexander Canducci and it talks about when Rome burned and Nero blamed the Christians...

This happened in 64 A.D.

The New Testament was written in 50 A.D.

We know the earlier Christians were the equivalent to hippies

Christianity before Jesus

is it possible that Rome wrote the New Testament and used the Burning of Rome to get rid of the older Christianity groups, to make way for the newer, stricter religion?

Stricter = easier to control

Nero was told he could do whatever he wanted as long as he pointed the finger at the Christians when the time came





Am I crazy or does this make sense? The timelines match up perfectly, as do the stories



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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The New Testament is an anthology, a collection of works written at different times by various authors. In almost all Christian traditions today, the New Testament consists of 27 books. The original texts were written beginning around AD 50 in Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the eastern part of the Roman Empire where they were composed. All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than the mid-2nd century.

en.wikipedia.org...


The Great Fire of Rome erupted on the night of 18 July to 19 July, AD 64



Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians [or Chrestians[93]] by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

en.wikipedia.org...



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