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All Roads Lead to Rome

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posted on Nov, 14 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Wow.
S&F for that.
Thank you for taking the time to put that down for everyone.
Like you said the mother of all conspiracies.




posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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The most interesting exploration would be a trip to Rome at the Vatican Necropolis underneath St. Peter's Basilica, maybe you could find the secret Tomb of Julius Caesar..!




posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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We were discussing tombs a while back, very interesting topic. If you notice the tomb which is labelled as M, its called Iulii or Julii. It is the tomb of the Julii and there is a very interesting piece of art that lies within it. Like I said, discussed a while back, maybe someone can provide a quick link or just do a search. Thanks for the image.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 01:35 AM
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Heres an podcast recording I made on this subject:

"All Roads Lead To Rome: The New World Order"

its pretty basic stuff. Mostly, you know it all. Let me know what you think.

www.sendspace.com...



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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Spear of Destiny

What are the odds that the man who drew a dagger against Julius Caesar would have the same name as the Roman soldier who speared Jesus in the side?


"Gaius Cassius Longinus (before 85 BC – October 42 BC) was a Roman senator, a leading instigator of the plot to kill Julius Caesar,[1] and the brother in-law of Marcus Junius Brutus." --- en.wikipedia.org...





Nicolaus of Damascus wrote his account of the murder of Caesar a few years after the event. He was not actually present when the assassination occurred but had the opportunity to speak with those who were. He was a friend of Herod the Great and gathered his information during a visit to Rome. His account is thought to be reliable.
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"The Senate rose in respect for his position when they saw him entering. Those who were to have part in the plot stood near him. Right next to him went Tillius Cimber, whose brother had been exiled by Caesar. Under pretext of a humble request on behalf of this brother, Cimber approached and grasped the mantle of his toga, seeming to want to make a more positive move with his hands upon Caesar. Caesar wanted to get up and use his hands, but was prevented by Cimber and became exceedingly annoyed.

That was the moment for the men to set to work. All quickly unsheathed their daggers and rushed at him. First Servilius Casca struck him with the point of the blade on the left shoulder a little above the collar-bone. He had been aiming for that, but in the excitement he missed. Caesar rose to defend himself, and in the uproar Casca shouted out in Greek to his brother. The latter heard him and drove his sword into the ribs. After a moment, Cassius made a slash at his face, and Decimus Brutus pierced him in the side. While Cassius Longinus was trying to give him another blow he missed and struck Marcus Brutus on the hand. Minucius also hit out at Caesar and hit Rubrius in the thigh. They were just like men doing battle against him.

www.eyewitnesstohistory.com...









The thieves on both sides of Jesus had their legs broken, but when the Roman soldiers reached Jesus, one of them, reportedly a centurion named Gaius Cassius Longinus (see note below), saw he was already dead and proved it to his fellows by using his spear to pierce the Christ's side. Blood and water poured out. There was no need to break his bones. One must remember, that prior to the cross Jesus has already been tortured via a brutal, all night scourging by Roman soldiers and probably was weak before being nailed to the cross.

The spear itself became a religious relic. The piercing was seen as proof of his death and his subsequent resurrection. It is said that the Spear of Longinus was unearthed by Helena at the same time and place as the Holy Nails and the True Cross. It was later buried at Antioch to prevent its capture by the Saracens.

Of the weapon thus sanctified nothing is known until the pilgrim St. Antoninus of Piancenza (A.D. 570), describing the holy places of Jerusalem, tells us that he saw in the basilica of Mount Sion "the crown of thorns with which Our Lord was crowned and the lance with which He was struck in the side". The mention of the lance at the church of the Holy Sepulcher in the so-called "Breviarus", as M. de Mely points out (Exuviae, III, 32), is not to be relied on. On the other hand, in a miniature of the famous Syriac manuscript of the Laurentian Library at Florence, illuminated by one Rabulas in the year 586, the incident of the opening of Christ's side is given a prominence which is highly significant. Moreover, the name Longinus -- if, indeed, this is not a later addition -- is written in Greek characters (LOGINOS) above the head of the soldier who is thrusting his lance into our Savior's side. This seems to show that the legend which assigns this name to the soldier Longinus (see Note below), who, according to the same tradition, was healed of ophthalmia and converted by a drop of the precious blood spurting from the wound) is as old as the sixth century. And further it is tempting, even if rash, to conjecture that the name Logginos, or Logchinos is in some way connected with the lance (logche). Be this as it may, a spear believed to be identical with that which pierced our Savior's body was venerated at Jerusalem at the close of the sixth century, and the presence there of this important relic is attested half a century earlier by Cassiodorus (In Ps. lxxxvi, P.L., LXX, 621) and after him by Gregory of Tours (P.L., LXXI, 712).

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No name for this soldier is given in the Gospels; the name Longinus is found in the pseudepigraphal Gospel of Nicodemus that was appended to the apocryphal Acts of Pilate. Sabine Baring-Gould observed, "The name of Longinus was not known to the Greeks previous to the patriarch Germanus, in 715. It was introduced amongst the Westerns from the Apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus.

The name is probably Latinized from Greek longche (λόγχη), the word used for the lance mentioned in John 19:34.[4] It first appears lettered on an illumination of the Crucifixion beside the figure of the soldier holding a spear, written, perhaps contemporaneously, in horizontal Greek letters, Loginos, in the Syriac gospel manuscript illuminated by a certain Rabulas in the year 586, in the Laurentian Library, Florence. The spear used is known as the Holy Lance, more recently, especially in occult circles as the "Spear of Destiny", which was revered at Jerusalem by the sixth century, though neither the centurion nor the name "Longinus" were invoked in any surviving report. As the "Lance of Longinus", the spear figures in the legends of the Holy Grail. In some medieval folklore, e.g. the Golden Legend,[5] the touch of Jesus's blood cures his blindness.

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Could Nicholas of Damascus be the same person as Nicodemus?
"Nicolaus of Damascus wrote his account of the murder of Caesar a few years after the event."
"The name of Longinus was not known to the Greeks previous to the patriarch Germanus, in 715. It was introduced amongst the Westerns from the Apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus."

Could it be that these later details and additions that embellished the crucifixion story were thrown in as hints of a grand deception being played upon the duped masses?




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posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:12 AM
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Nicodemus sounds like a shortened version of Nicholas of Damascus




And to Proto:

J. Paul Getty has ties to the Rothschilds and was drowning in oil money.. Coincidence that he opened up a Roman Museum in California?



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:45 AM
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Yeah another interesting point. But I urge you, before continuing on this course, watch the documentary The Gospel of Caesar where Carotta goes through all of these points. You will be interested within the first half an hour to an hour, but after that you see just how far this 'researcher' goes in order to make the facts suite his story, its almost laughable at times.

divusjulius.wordpress.com...


Originally posted by squirelnutz
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J. Paul Getty has ties to the Rothschilds and was drowning in oil money.. Coincidence that he opened up a Roman Museum in California?


Why must it be a coincidence? It's a resort... that's stretching it imo.

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posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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Yeah and it could've had a million different themes but he chose Rome



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by squirelnutz
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Yeah and it could've had a million different themes but he chose Rome


First of all, you claimed he had ties to the Rothschilds. Where is your proof?

Second of all, there are hundreds of resorts worldwide that have a Roman theme, as well as a Greek theme, a Mediterranean theme, a Oriental theme, etc, etc.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 05:01 AM
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He moved to England in the 1950s and became a prominent Anglophile. He lived and worked at his 16th-century Tudor estate, Sutton Place near Guildford; the traditional country house became the centre of Getty Oil and his associated companies and he used the estate to entertain his British and Arabian friends, (including the British Rothschild family and numerous rulers of Middle Eastern countries). As a dedicated Anglophile, he lived the rest of his life in the British Isles, dying of heart failure at the age of 83 on June 6, 1976.



ALL MIGHTY WIKIPEDIA



I know it's stretching it, but I'm checking out the museum and the name Rothschilds appears..



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 05:04 AM
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That part of the Wikipedia entry isn't sourced.

I just think its a non-issue to be honest, he's got a Roman themed resort, big deal.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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That part of the Wikipedia entry isn't sourced.

I just think its a non-issue to be honest, he's got a Roman themed resort, big deal.


Serbsta! It's not a resort, it is the wealthiest endowed museum in the world. The Greek and Roman statues often predate Christ, the Getty Museum is not the Atlantis Hotel and Casino in the Bahamas!

The story goes, that he began collecting art late in the fifties mostly as an investment but he discovered that it was a way to also gain credibility with the blue bloods.

Getty craved respect and getting respect from the blue bloods simply because you acquired a boat load of money is not something easy to do. They look down their nose on the new rich, often because they feel the new rich don't actually know how to 'respect' money.

If you look at Getty's later life it was all about proving he 'respected' money. Sure the tabloids all labelled him as the richest man in the world, but if the bluebloods and nobles are your natural peers then it really appears in Getty's case he was almost obsessed about impressing them.

He went from living in a single room in the swankiest Parisian Hotel to buying a sprawling Castle Estate outside of London.

He went from collecting some furniture and paintings that were good investments, to bankrolling one of the biggest excavation of Roman ruins ever, and breaking ground on what he wanted to become the envy of all museums the world over.

Call the currator of the Louve or Smithsonian or the Metropollitan Museum of Art and they will tell you they can't compete with the endowment the Getty has.

Typifying it as a Roman resort when it's grown after his death, to the Villa a nearby modern museum, and two other locations that aren't in the Roman motif is just well, you not doing some simple research.

What Getty was shooting for was a unique and new concept in museums, to put all the pieces in the natural setting they would have appeared.

It would have been impossible for him not to know the other prominent players in the Oil Business, Rotshchild and Rockefeller, it would have not been likely that he hadn't met every last Lord, Baron and Royal as he climbed his way up the social ladder.

He was insanely rich, he was insanely bizarre, but the Getty museum is not a resort, it offers no lodging, or recreation other than the art on display to view.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by ats__fan039
Heres an podcast recording I made on this subject:

"All Roads Lead To Rome: The New World Order"

its pretty basic stuff. Mostly, you know it all. Let me know what you think.

www.sendspace.com...


Thanks I will check that out, I am downloading it now.

I will be sure to comment on it.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Hey Mick1423, love the new avatar by the way.

It would be awesome to be able to explore underneath the Vatican and indeed a lot of Rome, especially portions of nero's palace.

From time to time people are still stumbling on to underground entrences to portions of Rome that are new discoveries.

On my first trip to Rome when I was 19, I really didn't want to go there, the trip was interfering with my social life in L.A. and I was determined to be a brat and remain unimpressed to the chagrin of my hosts.

Yet one thing I could not help but appreciate and notice, is Rome itself seemed to have an all most electrifying energy about it, that bordered on the almost magical. Maybe it's just the overwhelming sense of history, as the city center is full of so much old, old stuff, but it still leads me to wonder if it was layed out on the same kind of masonic compass points as it's alleged the Masons laid Washington D.C. on to capture certain energies.

A lot of first time visitors to Jerusalem expereince a similiar thing, as far as an energy and an aura, once again possible simply from the mystique of so much history being plainly vissible in one place.

What lays burried still under such places, both known and unknown sure would be a delight to see. It might not be revealing and illuminating in the sense of this conspiracy, yet it's very fascinating all the same.

I saw a rock concert in Taormina Sicily in a classic Greek/Roman Ampitheatre that in fact was built hundreds of years before the time of Caesar and Christ, where I sat on stone benches that people were sitting on 2400 years ago.

It's hard not to contemplate that or think about that when in such a place.

This is the actual theatre, still a great place to catch a show all these years later since it was built.




posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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The way that mosaic is done in the tomb of Julii may be a clue. There was an old ATS thread about biblical symbolism among other things here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

From Revelations 9.

And the shapes of the locusts like unto horses prepared unto battle;

Makes the Nietzsche interpretation of horses as a mob swarm a little more palatable.

I was just going to suggest that some people like the Manson clan went too far with the allegory putting the cart before the horse but Proto beat me too it


There might be a link between the UK Beatles band of the 60's and the old Egyptian legends of Scarab Beatles but that would be pre Rome and off topic for this thread.
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posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Like you said Proto, Seborga as kept an important and respectful status for having been the headquarter and secret throne of Julius Caesar for his last years until he died many years after his assassination attempt like the OP revealed but i don't think his secret tomb is in Seborga, Julius Caesar always been for Rome the cornerstone of the Roman Empire he must be in a grandiose place where all can worship him with adoration, almost like a God but without anyone to know they worship Julius Caesar ( The Great Architect of the Universe like you said ) but enlightened ones.

The Vatican Necropolis is really fascinating, indeed half way in the underground Necropolis on cave chamber ''M'' is the tomb of the Julii but the ''M'' is maybe only a secret code to guide and confirmed you're on the right path.

Deaper in the entrails of the Necropolis there is the chamber of Lucifer and just beside is the chamber of the christ just before getting to the supposly chamber of St-Peter... This chamber is verticaly aligned, 13 meters below the The Altar of the Crucifixion of St. Peter where Millions every years comes, to worship who they all think is the first stone of christianity Jesus Christ but could it be in reallity Julius Caesar...

if you decide to go and explore the Necropolis to find Julius Caesar's Tomb maybe you should pass by the United Kingdom, to first find the secret Sword of Caesar ( Excalibur ) Who knows...maybe you could need it to open the secret passage to the Secret Tomb of Julius Caesar...
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posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by serbsta
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you see just how far this 'researcher' goes in order to make the facts suite his story, its almost laughable at times.



Are you implying that I am doing this? It is rather annoying to see you continually put down other posters to build your own ego, If you think my posts are "twisted" and "laughable" you are welcome to put me on ignore.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Could Nicholas of Damascus be the same person as Nicodemus?
"Nicolaus of Damascus wrote his account of the murder of Caesar a few years after the event."
"The name of Longinus was not known to the Greeks previous to the patriarch Germanus, in 715. It was introduced amongst the Westerns from the Apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus."

Could it be that these later details and additions that embellished the crucifixion story were thrown in as hints of a grand deception being played upon the duped masses?

 


Great info Alethea ! Lots of controversies about good 'ol Julius Caesar and Jesus Himself !

I think that Nicolaus of Damascus and Nicodemus ARE the same "person" and most likely fabrications of Josephus Flavius and/or his “fabricators” and/or his successors !

It seems that "All of Nicolaus's works are lost except for fragments""

en.wikipedia.org...

And it seems that Nicodemus (a Jewish Pharisee) is only a "referred to" character in Gospel:

en.wikipedia.org...

A great storyline for someone of Josephus Flavius' stature and reputation (a Jewish/Roman historian which many works have been proven as forgeries or fables) !

en.wikipedia.org...

One must wonder if the Spear(s) of Destiny Itself (or Themselves), along with the "unprovable" stories attached to IT (or Them) are the "grand deception being played upon the duped masses".

Perhaps the Spear that poked Jesus and the Dagger that killed J.C. are the SAME tool ?

Perhaps the Josephus Flavius character is just somebody's pen name ?:

www.introducingjesus.org...



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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One thing that's very interesting about the Getty Trust and the fact that the organization has branched out into a much wider variety of antiquities and art since Getty's death, is it does potentially become one of those ideal vehicles to more or less buy up and bury in their back rooms things of potentially signficant importance.

There are a lot of things still out there lost in the desserts and bogs from our ancient past that could potentially radically alter how we percieve some things. So having an organization that is uber loaded with cash like the Getty Endowment certainly could come in handy for the powers that be.

Looking at the board of directors and then researching those people often will give you a clue at who all is involved.

I do seriously doubt if Getty was a friend to the Rockefellers or Rothschild Family, though he certainly would have known them through the oil industry and the social circles he traveled in.

How Getty essentially ended up with so many big oil finds in the middle east is he was typically willing to offer a much larger percentage share of the revenues than was Shell (Rothschild) and Esso/Exxon/Standard Oil (Rockefeller), this would have made Getty not to admired by Rockefeller and Rothschild.

Ultimately it meant they too would have to share a much larger portion of the revenues with the Arabs than they had been doing before Getty arrived on the scene.

Like Howard Hughes, Getty parlayed a small family fortune into a staggering sum of wealth, by taking chances and risks that the big boys of the day wouldn't take.

What alliances if any he might have made with the big boys later on in life is hard to tell, was there some external pressure placed on him by the Powers that Be to leave all his money to his Museum Trust practically disinherriting his own children and grand children in the process who basically got a pittance? Or was it just a frugal spendthrift who was mad at them all for not living up to expectations, or felt that he left them more than enough by leaving them just a few million dollars each to make their own fortunes as he had done?

While the Powers that Be will basically use all kinds of people when it comes to getting their way, if you don't have a blood line it doesn't matter how much money you have as far as they are concerned.

Getty wasn't a blue blood though he desperately tried to emulate them, what that got him is hard to say, but his is a truly fascinating story, and since he was essentially estranged from his children and grand children, and did not leave them his wealth, he failed to establish a new dynasty as a result of that.

His name will undoubtedly live on for ever because of the musuem and it's vast fortune but the current Getties are basically nobodies in the scheme of things.

Perhaps he knew because he didn't have a blue blood line, that it would be pointless to endow his children, knowing that they would never gain the respect of the patrician elite.

One thing is for sure, what ever he knew, what ever secrets he had, and obviously such a wealthy man had very many, he took them to his grave.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Here is what i posted about the tomb of the Julii hundreds of pages ago, the tomb of the Julii in chamber ''M'' like i said in my last post is maybe only a sign to confirmed that the Tomb of Julius Caesar is near...


Originally posted by mick1423

the Julii were one of the earliest and most distinguished families of ancient Rome. Livy (1.3) tells us how the Julii descended from and took their nomen gentilicium from Julius, an alternate name of Ascanius, who was the son of the Trojan chief Aeneas, the clan to which Julius Caesar belonged.

As legend told that Aeneas was the son of Anchises and the goddess Venus, the Julii thereafter claimed divine descent from Zeus.





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