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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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All laid out in the opening piece, no reason to be asking this yet again for a long time participant of the thread unless you are trolling it.


No, I am genuinely trying to understand,

and refreshing peoples memories can be a good thing, I stopped reading there, so now I am going to read it again.

BRB




posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by serbsta
OK Proto, finally got some free time this morning and did some digging around. I know I've just been attacking elements of your story, but I never claimed the entire theory was false. I found something very interesting below and hopefully it shows you that you can justify many elements of this theory without relying on false claims about Masonic institutions and false ties with Caesar's etc. This should add to the theories with the Vatican City (Rome) and its ties to the United States.

Well, I was looking at some examples of ecclesiastical (canon/church) law as if there were proof of any 'conspiracy' with Rome then surely something would be hinted at in the legal frameworks. I came across this interesting page while digging, it didn't just hint at Vatican control, it pretty much outlined it word for word.

This is an extract from Ecclesiastical Law Volume 1, Article II, titled Of American Canon Law, or of the National Canon Law of the United States which was published in 1895. Here is an extract I've typed out for convenience of reading, I've linked the original document below:

Note: Underlined in brackets are my notes, additions to the original transcript.



By the national eccl. law of this country we understand the various derogations from the "jus commune," or the different customs that exist among the churches in the United States, and are sanctioned or tolerated by the Roman Pontiff. We say, "are sanctioned or tolerated by the Roman Pontiff"; for, as was seen, no national law can become legitimate except by at least the tacit or legal consent of the Pope. Again, the "jus particulare" (the justice system/laws) of a nation always remains subject to the authority of the Holy See in such a manner as to be repealable at any time by it. Hence, the jus nationale, or the exceptional ecclesiastical laws prevalent in the United States, may be abolished at any time by the Sovereign Pontiff.

Pages 53-54
(link to the original scanned document) www.archive.org...

In other words, the Pope under the power of the Holy See (Roman Catholic Church) can abolish any law within the United States, trespassing over all jurisidctions within the country, from the President to the Supreme Court.

I've still got a load of documents I bookmarked ages ago in the early stages of this thread which I didn't have time to review and they may also yield something interesting and relevant to the topic.


Thank you Serbsta this is a really great addition to the thread, and I really appreciate you finding this.

I have heard reference to this in "50 things you don't know about America" but never have found the time to dig up the exact documents it was referencing.

This is a really outstanding job.

It illustrates that there is a legal frame work within the United States Law that does essentially give the Vatican Veto Power over our laws, with that power invested in the Pope.

It's a very real law, and it's truly hard to explain away or dismiss as to why it came into existence, until you look at the Treaty of Paris and understand that the verbiage actually is incorporating the United States into the Holy Roman Empire.

While the outward alliance of the Holy Roman Empire disintegrated on paper, possibly precipitating the War of 1812, I once again believe verbiage in the Treaty of Ghent that ended the War of 1812 sets us up then as incorporated state of the Roman Empire.

The long and short of it, is the Vatican laid claim to all of the Americas in 1497 the year before Columbus 'discovered them'.

I can not be sure if the forefathers simply intended to be new management or if they simply hoped to one day be able to buy the nation's land outright but my own research suggests that if they intended to buy it outright they to this date have not succeeded in paying it off, in part due to financial manipulations by the Roman Banking Cartel, and in part due to all the wars we are tasked to fight in liue of being able to pay the debt.

Hidden in treaties and laws like this are some very disconcerting and shocking things that clearly display a direct relationship with Rome that is all business and has little to do with religion except the common based religious morality that the Cannons lay forth.

As mentioned previously dating from the 11th century onward the Pope is legally recognized internationally as God's Legal Representative and embodiment on earth, so in a world where 2/3rds of the populace is based on that God this gives the Pope tremendous power.

It explains why monarchs, kings and presidents defer to him, and even the leader of the Taliban appealed to the Pope to alter U.S. Policy in relation to seeking converts to Christianity.

The Pope is literally the administrative body of law that governs the usage of God in official ways, and is considered legally by the sovereign entities and those include nations to be God on earth.

It has not one thing to do with being Catholic, it has not one thing to do with being religious, it doesn't matter if you accept this system, because this system really truly does secretly govern the nations, and is the basis of our banking and economic system.

In other words ground zero, grand central station, square one, GO, the big Kahuna, etc. etc.

Really great post thanks for contributing it.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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How it profited him then it ensured his legacy and posterity and his bloodline retaining power.


and that's where I left off, bloodlines, remember way back a hundred pages I started posting, kings, popes, and dictators,

That's where we should be now, can we trace any of these bloodlines?



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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It illustrates that there is a legal frame work within the United States Law that does essentially give the Vatican Veto Power over our laws, with that power invested in the Pope.


What I want to know is can this law be in-forced?



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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How it profited him then it ensured his legacy and posterity and his bloodline retaining power.


and that's where I left off, bloodlines, remember way back a hundred pages I started posting, kings, popes, and dictators,

That's where we should be now, can we trace any of these bloodlines?



These classic bloodlines are thought to be the Illuminati, and include the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, as well as the King of Saudi Arabia, the Bush family and a few others, which are all laid out in the Wikipedia article on the Illuminati.

However conspiracy theorists and some insiders claim that there are other more important bloodlines not known to the public and that keep to the shadows running things behind these other public ones.

The thinking is if you have ever heard of them then no they are not the true power.

A close look at the early Papacy and the Medicci would likely yield some of those names. Though these are people who truly rely on secrecy and anonymity to make the very system work at it's upper most layers.

These unknown bloodlines continue to be a matter of intense interest and speculation within the conspiracy community, and parts of the new age community as well too.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Thank you Serbsta this is a really great addition to the thread, and I really appreciate you finding this.

I have heard reference to this in "50 things you don't know about America" but never have found the time to dig up the exact documents it was referencing.

This is a really outstanding job.


I was told to examine the document by one of my former colleagues who now works within a Museum, dealing mainly with old religious transcripts. It just came up in a conversation really quickly, months ago, when we were discussing something similar to this thread. He told me it was all accessible online and pointed me to the exact document.

Not a problem though, I've got some more links which are relevant to the topic that I bookmarked for later examination. I won't have time for another couple of days, I've already found something interesting in one of them. Will post what I've got within a few days.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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parts of the new age community as well too.


Bingo

From what I have researched it points to new age and environmentalism, and when I look at the CChurch today, it is headed that direction.


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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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A close look at the early Papacy and the Medicci would likely yield some of those names. Though these are people who truly rely on secrecy and anonymity to make the very system work at it's upper most layers.

These unknown bloodlines continue to be a matter of intense interest and speculation within the conspiracy community, and parts of the new age community as well too.


They are more then likely in our face and we don't have a clue, what is that saying?

A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing is an idiom of Biblical origin, It is used of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous.


en.wikipedia.org...




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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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All i get out of this Idiocracy is that perhaps the queen of england's husband has a point when he states that the earth's population of humans must be culled.......
www.google.ca...:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a
... but i'm certain he was reading a script off a teleprompter written by the pope, now that froto has got the truth out there.... good job Mulden!

www.savethemales.ca...
edit on 10/26/2010 by pjl_u2 because: Ididocracy starring Luke Wilson, rent it on DVD today!



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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People like Marice Strong,
'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...




Slumdog Millionaire shanty town a model for urban planning, says Prince Charles
The Bombay shanty town featured in the film Slumdog Millionaire should be a model for urban planning, Prince Charles has said, as it represents a better way to house a booming population.
www.telegraph.co.uk...< br />


They will have to combine forces for it to work, and of course we know Obama is top environmentalist,

There are just to many layers, the late 1800's really kicked it into gear.

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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 



A close look at the early Papacy and the Medicci would likely yield some of those names. Though these are people who truly rely on secrecy and anonymity to make the very system work at it's upper most layers.

These unknown bloodlines continue to be a matter of intense interest and speculation within the conspiracy community, and parts of the new age community as well too.


They are more then likely in our face and we don't have a clue, what is that saying?

A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing is an idiom of Biblical origin, It is used of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous.


en.wikipedia.org...




edit on 26-10-2010 by Aquarius1 because: (no reason given)


I have a feeling that if any of us where to meet one of these people they wouldn't appear to be rich or austentacious in any regard.

Probably one of those elderly folks whose white shirts have turned yellow at the cuffs with age, but still holding up well because of their original quality.

I imagine they live near some impressive medium sized mountain in a modest home and possess untold knowledge to go along with their untold wealth and power.

Its a very curious world we live in.

Yet I do hope as time and circumstances permit to track such people down and identify who they are, if they truly exist.

I don't think I will ever be completely satisfied until I know precisely who runs this world.

Thanks for sharing that.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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It illustrates that there is a legal frame work within the United States Law that does essentially give the Vatican Veto Power over our laws, with that power invested in the Pope.


What I want to know is can this law be in-forced?



Ultimately yes, because all the nations are financially insolvent and dependent on the banking system for fresh credits.

It they fail to live up to these sometimes little known agreement and treaties, and sometimes even secret treaties, because both the Treaty of Ghent and the Treaty of Paris refer to secret committees of Congress having approved certain elements of the Treaties under seal, meaning they are not part of the public record but sealed in the Congressional Archives, then they simply refuse to extend fresh rounds of credit.

I don't think too many people would argue that the Federal Reserve is not foreign owned, and it's principles are the Bank of London, and not too many people would deny that's a Rotchschild bank and there is now denying that the Papal Rotchschild Family recieved it's titles from Rome.

We can ultimately look at a number of modern wars from Napoleon onward where the final outcome was decided by the bankers either ending credit lines or extending credit lines to the beligerents.

Unless you understand how money actually plays a key role in funding wars, and nations, then you wouldn't actually think based on what we are told, that this hidden power structure has power but it does.

It has more power now than ever, because we are not just dependent internationally for our credit lines but much of the consumer goods for the nation too.

Yet it's important to remember that the politicians at the top of our vissible government have their bread buttered by the powers that be and not the masses, that vote for them.

So yes these laws are absolutely enforcable.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Have you NOT been paying attention, Ratz the Benedict Arnold is the BIG KAHOON as froto states, and of course the pope and ROME runs the Free Masons, the jews, and islam... but not froto, he's a self-made genius that guy!
www.masonicdictionary.com...

""It has been asserted by many writers that the Freemasons of the colony had a large part in the destruction of the tea cargoes. Definite information is not available, but contemporaneous records of unimpeachable character lead us to believe that there is some truth in the assertions. The records of Saint Andrew's Lodge, of which Paul Revere was a member, show that on the night of November 30th, 1773 - the night for the annual election of officers - only seven members were present. No election was held, and the presence of only seven members given as the reason according to the entries in the lodge minutes. ""
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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by pjl_u2
All i get out of this Idiocracy is that perhaps the queen of england's husband has a point when he states that the earth's population of humans must be culled.......
www.google.ca...:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a
... but i'm certain he was reading a script off a teleprompter written by the pope, now that froto has got the truth out there.... good job Mulden!

www.savethemales.ca...
edit on 10/26/2010 by pjl_u2 because: Ididocracy starring Luke Wilson, rent it on DVD today!


While some people have been reading scripture and others have been reading history books Froto of the Shire tasked with destroying the ring of power has been reading the only thing that really matters.

The Treaties and Papal Bullas that are the contractual agreements between sovereign entities that form the backbone of the system of governance world wide that all the nations and monarchs ultimately have to abide by.

It is through reading those treaties chronologically backwards that I discovered that Rome the Roman Empire never went out of business.

That it continues to exist today as a series of contractual obligations that bind it’s principles all together.

One of the most important of these is the Papal Bulla of 1491 where the Pope decreed the Vatican owned everything west of the Azores and Canary Islands yet to be discovered.

Understanding the legal definition of the language used in these treaties is key to understanding them.

To this day legal scholars are divided whether the Bulla of 1491 that decreed these lands belong to Rome and then awarded them to the Kings of Aragon and Spain was a true gift outright or simply permission for the two monarchs to administer them on behalf of Rome as vassals.

The Vatican and the Monarchs have never actually clarified that, and that bit of subterfuge likely means that the monarchs were simply vassals of Rome and that the Americas and everything west still is legally titled to Rome with us only paying rent on it as an incorporated management entity.

These things are all very real, they actually are the legal frame work that orders our world, and remain very enforceable and very relevant.

They are out there for people to read, they don’t believe you actually will, or research the language so you understand the precise meaning of them legally.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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More about the Blood Lines.....
watch.pair.com...

I hope you find this to your satisfaction, sorry that ROME is not mentioned!



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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So, you've read this one as well, and you notice how well it holds up to this day?
""We decree and order
that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink
with Jews; nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them...
Christians shall not allow Jews to hold civil honors over Christians, or to exercise pub...lic offices in the State .""" -His Holiness, Pope Eugenius IV, 1442 A.D. Bull. Rom.... Pont., V, 67.]

Also, this guy works for the Pope too , right?
en.wikipedia.org...

Achtung! You be careful "Proto"... I am concerned for your safety now that you have this matrix all unraveled. Rick Clay only got this far before his un-timely death...
pigs-in-the-parlor.blogspot.com...
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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I don't think I will ever be completely satisfied until I know precisely who runs this world.


Perhaps to get to the who, one must first understand fully, the why.

Unlimited wealth and power is such a trivial pursuit. What good is it when life is so fragile, and death faces both king and peasant alike. Imagine the irony of living a life for wealth and power only to have it cut short by something as mundane as choking on a roll. What a pitiful life it would have been had the sole pursuit been wealth and power. Fame is obviously not a motive, for one would have to lead a life of total obscurity, his efforts left erased from the pages of history, while others lived on through the recorded deeds their lesser role endowed them with. I would think that such an endeavor as ruling the world from behind a mask of obscurity would be too much for any mortal man to bear, and if he could bear it, certainly the motives would need to be something extraordinary.

So why?

The only reason I could fathom someone or group of someone's daring to take on such a responsibility would be for a divine purpose. The cunning involved rules out madness, and if it was a hatred for the human species, well many times in our history has the opportunity presented itself for mass extinction. This leaves but a divine calling. Nothing else makes any logical sense, at least to me.

Now supposing it is a divine calling, what would be the purpose of the course of blood shed and control so prevalent in our history?

Without the controlled blood shed, how much would have been spilled in mankind's darker years? One only needs look to current day Africa to get an idea of what evils man will suffer another without control. Tribes fight against tribes over resources in ways that make the latest wiki leak look like an episode of romper room. Mankind, through all his progress, has still not learned to live peacefully with each other in anyway. If not for control, we would only visit greater atrocities on one another than we do now. Look at the people that be of this forum. How many times do they need to step in to force members to speak and treat each other with civility? They are the masters here. They control this world. Are they not needed?

I suppose that as I have watched this thread progress, I have come to appreciate the man behind the scenes that much more. Sure, I do not like to be a slave in the system. I fought for my own freedom and have enjoyed the splendors of my victory. Looking back, it seems hollow. Man kind is not quite ready to be free. He is still a savage, incapable of recognising the divinity in his fellow man. Perhaps a great cataclysm is necessary to wake him to a higher state of being. Perhaps a culling fo the herd is necessary to relieve the social pressure of so many living so close together. Perhaps, this is the end game of the Man behind the curtain.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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Ok another question, why?

For Millenia a cartel of power brokers have ruled the world, to what ends?

Why?

There has to be more to it then just power.

Why keep it up?

Maybe it really is a battle for mans souls.



posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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I didn't see your post when I posted mine, synchronicity,




The only reason I could fathom someone or group of someone's daring to take on such a responsibility would be for a divine purpose. The cunning involved rules out madness, and if it was a hatred for the human species, well many times in our history has the opportunity presented itself for mass extinction. This leaves but a divine calling. Nothing else makes any logical sense, at least to me.


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posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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Proto

this enitre situation reminds me of a conversation that I had a while back with someone concerning if we should pay our taxes or not pay our taxes

I was of the for former (by the which which one is former and which is latter. anyway)

He said that we shoudl all pay our takes until we ALL realize that we do not have to do so then


We all stop at once and it is over

Just a thought
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