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Originally posted by Schaden
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
"Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated the probability that these and other constants (122 in all) would exist today for any planet in the universe by chance (I.e., without Divine design). Assuming there are 10^22 planets in the universe (a very large number: 1 with 22 zeros following it), his answer is shocking; one chance in 10^138, that’s one chance in one with 138 zeros after it. There are only about 10^70 atoms in the entire universe."
do i believe that life exists elsewhere? meh, i'm not sure. but to claim that the odds are in favor of life existing elsewhere is silly when the chances of life existing on our own planet is so slim.
If he calculated the odds as greater than all of the atoms in the universe, and yet humans are here, his estimate appears severly flawed and invalid.
My personal guess is there are perhaps dozens of planets with advanced life, in our galaxy alone. It could be in the hundreds of thousands, millions even, considering the size of the entire universe.
Originally posted by Tryptych
It's actually quite surprising to me that Hawking thinks that we shouldn't seek contact.. why? I'd love to hear his reasoning for this.
To my logic, if the hypothetical aliens have mastered intergalactic travel etc, would they really be some barbaric morons? I think we're reflecting our own idiocy to other possible species here.
a civilization vastly beyond ours in terms of technology has likely mined out their homeworld - they are constantly on the hunt for resources. what would humans do if they found an oil deposit directly below a giant ant colony?
Originally posted by polarwarrior
Back in 2008 he claimed probably aliens do exist and that we should watch out
www.telegraph.co.uk...
As intelligent as he is, I still think it folly for any human to try and understand their odd motives or behaviors.
Actually what he's saying in this article is: "Watch out if you would meet an alien. You could be infected with a disease with which you have no resistance."
Originally posted by killuminati2012
The issue isn't so much if life exists outside of this little blue ball we call Earth. I have yet to see a scientist deny that as probable. The real debate is about intelligent life visiting Earth.
Originally posted by grantbeed
I completely disagree with this thinking. Surely a civilisation so advanced would not be dependant on fossil fuels such as Oil?
They would be living on clean,green energy, harnessing energy sources that we can not even comprehend now on Earth.
Why would they be so advanced on one hand, but humanly barbaric on the other?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I very much doubt that any species that can travel between stars and galaxies would be a war-like people. They would be an extreme rarity in anycase.
Bear in mind the most intelligent animals on the earth are all either predators or omnivores. predators have aggressive instincts
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Matrix Rising
as much as i love hawking, his logic is flawed, he has underestemated the odds. there are things called "anthropic constants". basically, precise and narrowly defined variables that must be exact for life to exist.
"Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated the probability that these and other constants (122 in all) would exist today for any planet in the universe by chance (I.e., without Divine design). Assuming there are 10^22 planets in the universe (a very large number: 1 with 22 zeros following it), his answer is shocking; one chance in 10^138, that’s one chance in one with 138 zeros after it. There are only about 10^70 atoms in the entire universe."
do i believe that life exists elsewhere? meh, i'm not sure. but to claim that the odds are in favor of life existing elsewhere is silly when the chances of life existing on our own planet is so slim.
Originally posted by Tryptych
It's actually quite surprising to me that Hawking thinks that we shouldn't seek contact.. why? I'd love to hear his reasoning for this.
To my logic, if the hypothetical aliens have mastered intergalactic travel etc, would they really be some barbaric morons? I think we're reflecting our own idiocy to other possible species here.
Oh yeah, he's not saying that "aliens" actually exists, he's saying that the probability of extraterrestrial life is very great. There's a huge difference.
Originally posted by grantbeed
This is Earth, how do we know this is the system anywhere else off the Earth?