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Originally posted by sremmos
They recently found non-bacterial life which does not require oxygen to live and reproduce.
what would really take the cake is if this self destruct plan was put in place by another group of ETs
Originally posted by andy1033
Originally posted by reject
I bet they told ET we have enough nukes to destroy both the earth and the moon. Stay away
I think that was the point of nukes, it was never to destroy each other, it was to destroy the planet if aliens ever did come.
I doubt nukes where ever to destroy us, as i think there would never be a point where we would of been that stup1d, but the build up of nukes by russia and usa was to keep the earth from others.
Originally posted by thomas_
Yes they are detailed, but then why we don't have the remains for each single one of those stages?
All the stages that we have simply jump from one to another, some with small changes while other with huge changes that simply couldn't be according to the very same theory. The in-betweens most often are created in the minds of those that so passionately defend this theory in it's source.
And even though extremely detailed and well recorded the oder in which those fossil records show up sometimes are also on the unexpected order in places where there isn't a single sign of soil disturbance. Thus breaking the logical (expected) order in which these fossils should appear, the supposedly old on the top and the ones that should be new bellow.
You said a really important word "ESTIMATION", but a estimation isn't a fact, it is merely a best guess. Something that isn't or at least shouldn't be enough to sustain such a pivotal theory regarding the human origins. Add that to the own desires of the ones "recreating that full body from a original knee joint to some involuntary inference to make the theory hold truth and you get your self a H. Cepranensis or some other distant cousin of ours.
But I really would like to be enlightened on how they get SINGLE skull cap (a mere fossil piece) and use that to tie two different evolutionary stages that by them selves are also represented by one or few fossils that most often are only partial. I find this really interesting.
If it's by comparing those ~3% of "useful" DNA that I find it a bit of fallacy. And I'll probably keep thinking that until they find the propose and match those remaining ~97%.
Both, old where the new should be and vice versa. And carbon testing is far from THAT reliable. The variations are way too big and get even worst when you throw a really large time frame in the talk. Besides any drastic environmental change could impact the data you would get from it. So basically pretty much anything ancient being carbon dated could be off by a unacceptable margin or entirely wrong.
I can be wrong (as usual) but isn't natural selection that says that interbreeding of species can only yield a variation withing the same basic kind and not something like humans for instance?
I kinda disagree, they are all pretty darn connected. Doesn't even matter if you apply abiogenesis or biogenesis. But that's a long really long theoretical story
But isn't the newest "version" of the evolutionary theory that argues that all those primates evolved in tandem and interbreeding giving birth to these sudden mutations called humans?
At least last time I've checked that was what they were talking about as a means to explain their findings in Kenya.
More On Hawking
Posted: April, 25, 2010
I thought this article deserved some attention (some very good attention): THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity. He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.” Really makes my mind spin.... This question has a corresponding link.Click here
Stewart's Reply: He is right about their intentions. He was told to say these things--but by whom?
Posted: April, 25, 2010
It seems Stephen Hawking is even getting the public ready for the staged alien invasions "Hawking claims in a new documentary that intelligent alien lifeforms almost certainly exist, but warns that communicating with them could be "too risky." This question has a corresponding link.Click here
Stewart's Reply: Yes, it was interesting what he said. He knows a lot that he is not saying.
I have Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. It has crippled my body and speech, but not my mind.
Originally posted by Noncompatible
I'll simply restate my original point a little better.
Show me the race of beings that has found the methods to negate the insurmountable (to us right now) logistical nightmare that crossing an interstellar gulf would incur. Be it through mastering the ability to travel at supraluminal speeds or hunkering down for the long haul in an enclosed enviroment or wormholes, warp bubbles etc etc etc...
Do that and I will show you a race of beings that would have little problem finding (or creating) and utilizing all the resources they require without having to fit the "Aliens will conquer the earth" stereotypes.
Originally posted by JScytale
Again, thinking in terms of "in-betweens" is about as far from the truth as you can get. We have hundreds of examples of individuals along a long line of ancestors. There are no "huge changes".
There are no major inconsistencies like you claim. Go ahead and present an example. Assuming you dug one up, I guarantee you overlooked the rational explanation for what, to unprofessional eyes, looked unusual.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I called RECREATIONS an estimation. No one bases scientific theory on speculation - this includes recreations. Scientific theory is based on observed FACTS. Not to mention, at no point along the (very detailed, by the way) fossil record of human ancestry do scientists rely on "a single kneecap" as you say. We have a very solid collection of partial to complete skeletons - more than is needed to classify a species. A good paleontologist could identify a species from a single tooth or a third of a skull with near perfect accuracy, and catalog a new one with a half complete skull.
PLEASE spare me on the carbon dating talk. Do you REALLY think time or environmental change would affect the half-life of carbon-14? we're talking about radioactive decay here. THE MOST ACCURATE CLOCKS ON THE PLANET use radioactive decay to tell time with virtually zero error. Virtually zero error as in, "this clock will be at most 1 second off after 300 million years".
Whaaaa? Natural selection is a simple concept: Animals most suited to their environment have the highest chance of surviving (and thus reproducing, passing on their favorable traits), while animals ill-suited to their environment have a much higher chance of dieing young. That's all there is to it.
They really aren't - whether life began via abiogenesis or via the flying spaghetti monster coming down and extending his noodly appendage has no impact on the observed fact that variation occurs during reproduction, and nature selects for favorable traits harshly.
there is no genetic evidence for interbreeding between any of the populations except between cro magnon (modern man) and homo neanderthalensis. we are such close relatives that its really more scientifically accurate to classify us as subspecies of the same species, but species are an arbitrary label when describing something like evolution. its a big gradient.
the closest analog i can think of off the top of my head is a horse and a donkey mating and giving birth to a mule, though we were more closely related.
Once it is out, there's no going back and I fear for what agenda such a revelation would serve. Will the "real extraterrestrials" be real? Will they be benevolent? Something Hawking said resonates DEEPLY with me, along the lines of "Look how the european & natives hit it off!" Do we truly want this? If so, we want the fecelstorm that comes with it. What will that be? We might have guns, airpower & nukes etc, but what if those were mere arrows against the european guns should we not like their migration & settling here? I think Hawking knows best and we should stick to listening. Who knows, maybe the intense effort to switch to closed digital broadcasting is purpose driven to squelch discoverable signals that could otherwise be picked up by a potentially opportunistic alien infection. Like a hunter listening for the "gobble" of a wild turkey! We should stick to listening, as the hunters of the universe probably do. Maybe there's a reason we allegedly haven't received a signal, just drones/probes checking out the source! In nature & military evolution, speed is a result of a NEED to catch prey, hit targets. If they are fast enough to get here within less than a life time, my friends, they probably have a need for speed as I just outlined.
Originally posted by thomas_
Originally posted by 11118
Originally posted by thomas_
Originally posted by 11118
reply to post by thomas_
The Human governments use technology and tools with precision.
Most of the disc shaped ships you see are unmanned and of Human origin, they are drones.
There is that group of entities who wish to control and enslave, they feed off the negative energy of suffering and control. They think themselves only as the Creator and are lost, cut off from the life force feeding themselves off of control others and controlling of each other - pure negative energy. You need not worry, unless the vast majority of people on earth wish to be enslaved they will not be "landing" any time soon and they are far outnumbered by those who wish to serve.
The Earth is quarantined due to past events in regards to the self-destruction of ancient civilizations. Information was given by benevolent entities then used poorly. Those who wish to cross into the Earth must get permission, the negative entities cannot cross into earth without facing Love - it is like a shield, the complete opposite polarity of their being.
Remember their is no "war", the benevolent entities could crush the negative entities with ease - but they Love them and understand they too are the One Creator.
Nice, but I have to say that their love has a bitter price that they are not the ones paying. If they can intervene and transform this into Eden they should do it right away and quit playing with the farm of ants. It's time already. Lemurians and Atlanteans are long gone by now.
They don't want to judge human kind, I get it. But they are the only ones that could because most of the human kind has lost direction and real propose and we can't certainly judge anything.
Anyway... nothing will happen and everything will remain the same crap we are way too familiar with.
If they were to do so it would be an infringement on the majority of the masses Free Will.
Not only that but there is a quarantine like I said, ancient civilizations were given such advanced information that lead to self-destruction and thus the quarantine was set in place.
I see, but it does sound like a dictatorship. Nobody is allowed to leave, nobody is allowed to come in and we are kept in the dark paying for mistakes that we didn't even did in the first place. A bit harsh don't you think? This makes Earth a real literal purgatory.
But I'm just kinda messing with you
Humankind simply isn't prepared to cope with the idea that we are the babies in this universe. People would commit suicide in mass if they knew that they are not that smart, not that advanced and not the only form of pseudo or intelligent life in the universe. Some people desperately need that false assurance to keep walking around.
Originally posted by azzllin
I am looking forward to watching this Documentary, It's incredible that Hawking, with his life being the way it is, is still one of the leading thinkers of our time,
Originally posted by Atlantican
What if WE are the result of an armada of resource hogs/raiders? There seems to be a lot of evidence for lesser humanoid forms in Earth's past yet none coexist with us, nor do any missing links.