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Homeless Hero Stabbed, 25 People Don't Help

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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And there are those that think we the people will take a stand.....




posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Why don't you invite them to your home.. oh.. no that's right you just want the government to fix it .. out of sight, out of mind.


That's the point of having a government.. and I would have no problem giving up a small fraction of my income in order to keep disgusting and smelly homeless people showered and housed.

Doesn't have to be anything special.. It just needs 4 walls, a roof, running water for a shower and toilet.

Might cost money, but it's better than having them walking the street, stinking up the place, begging for food, etc. If you own a business, you know how pesky homeless people are when it comes to soliciting for change and scaring away customers.

Not worth it for humanitarian reasons, not worth it for financial reasons.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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The morality is an issue within a society, it is usually public occurrences where people don't do anything, hence this incident..

The whole society as a whole is the problem, we think helping someone is not cool.. Cool people are those who just mind their own business..

I remember a documenter in regards to a girl who got beaten up inside the bus, everyone just sitting and watching.. Morality is the issue, no one can deny it, and yet no one can admit it out of shame..



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 11:25 PM
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...so because they are homeless, they should be shoved into little rooms and told to keep clean.. they will be content to sit there.

There were three types of homeless I dealt with..

The majority of the homeless that I dealt with were not homeless at all .. or if they were, by choice.. They usually wanted a drug fix, or their actual job was sitting outside doors of stores and asking for money. They made more than I did.. some of them were from California and all they did was hitchhike up the West Coast all year from major city to major city.. they were the worst, they leave trash every where, dogs defecating on sidewalks, passing out drunk, getting into fights..

Then there were the bat !^ crazy people that a quick conversation with leaves you wondering why the hell there isn't a mental health facility to lock these guys up in .. but there was.. the Gov shut it down.

Then there were the ones I like.. they play music on the street corners, I've seen jugglers, I've seen people who will for a tip take your picture etc.. working with what they have to make a buck (I still give to them)

It's not about the Government giving free housing.. it's damn near impossible to go hungry in this city, there are sooo many food kitchens operated by Churches (those damned conservatives you know) and the regions largest Missions that offer a place to sleep (damned conservatives again!).. but you can't force someone to live somewhere just because they are poor?

governments not always the answer.. and that's the Liberals problematic way of thinking.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Bravo. Good response. There is yet another type of homeless that is growing in size due to the economy....those who lose their homes because of unemployment. And the young mothers whose "men" leave them when times get tough.

In NYC, it is so common to see homeless laying on the sidewalks that many people deliberately cast their eyes away, and don't get to see the blood that this unfortunate man was laying in.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by Kaytagg

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Might cost money, but it's better than having them walking the street, stinking up the place, begging for food, etc. If you own a business, you know how pesky homeless people are when it comes to soliciting for change and scaring away customers.


Talk about a hasty generalization.

The man in the OP actually saved a woman from a knife wielding attacker. Then is ignored by 25 different people (probably just thinking its another disgusting and smelly homeless person right.. *might be hint of sarcasm in that comment) And there are countless numbers of life saving stories by individuals who happen to be homeless.

Homeless Man Saves 97 Year Old Woman From Fire
Homeless Man Saves Girl From Drowning
Homeless Man Saves Woman From Rapist
Homeless Man Helps Stopping a Robbery
Group of Homeless Men Save Girl From Wreck

Are you still going to insist on calling them smelly, disgusting, useless, etc.? Do I need more?

To be honest, I wouldn't mind them soliciting if they're going to engage in heroic acts as these. But we all know that these are few in far between, but as long as they provide help from time to time, I have no problem with the cons to the way they live their lives.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 06:03 AM
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Not too long ago, a female customer in a convenience store had a heart attack and fell to the floor. The store video showed other customers just stepping over her to get to the register. I don't think anyone called for help for a very long time. The woman just laid there dead and was ignored.

Maybe someone else has seen this and can find the video.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 06:07 AM
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This is disgusting


We had a similar situation in Melbourne last week where a man was stabbed in a railway station car park during the morning peak...

Dozens upon dozens of people passed him by as be bled out, far more interested in making their train than saving someone's life...Only a small handful of people stopped to help...

Seems our ability to show compassion to others is seriously on the wane by the looks of things...



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 07:23 AM
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We live in a world that is based on materialism and social Darwinism... This leads to the disease that is selfishness.

I have watched as community and togetherness has broken down... we lock ourselves away in our homes, order take outs, watch movies, chat to people via social networking websites, txt, mobile phones, anything but actually meet face to face and talk!!!

Peoples main focus is gadgets and toys... clothes and bling... we live in little bubbles and steer clear of anything that may pop them!!

We worship at the altar of corporatism and pray to the God of money... No longer interested in human/spiritual connection our emotions our now stimulated by glowing screen and virtual rewards.

Psychologically we have been condition to no longer pity those worse off than us, instead view them with disdain and contempt... By dehumanising these people it makes us feel more comfortable with ourselves "Why should i help that stinking tramp, he'll probably be dead in a week anyway... I need to get home and log on"

Luckily there are still pockets of resistance... mainly away from the citys in small rural communities... but the city’s are lost in my opinion, and the infection is spreading.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:03 AM
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It is really disgusting. I was two times at similar situation and both times I tried to help. Both occasions were drunken people. One lady at freeze night - there was real possibility she will die if I (or somebody else) did not wake her up. Second occasion was homeless guy sleeping at forest. I turned him over because there was good chance he will suffocate laying on his back.

I know many homeless people and for sure there are people who choose this way of life. On other side there are many homeless people who could do lot of for society if society could help them at critical situations. I know older man with doctorates in chemistry and physics. He was fired from work (during privatization of his lab), at same time his wife f... on him. It was just too much for him. He went crazy for 3 month and it was enough to loose everything.During 3month he turned from respected scientist to stinky homeless.
Special category of homeless people are veterans, who didn't recovered from war time experience. Especially in US this is big trouble.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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For those of you who believe morality is the only issue here, I suggest reading the study by Darley and Batson (In Social Psych we called it the Good Samaritan Experiment, but apparently the experimenters called it From Jerusalem to Jericho)

Basically, a group of Seminary students (not just some college kids, but Seminary students) who were going to actually speak on the good Samaritan parable encountered a slumped over body. (My favorite part of the experiment is that the people who didn't help were actually on their way to talk about how we should all help one another!)

Anyway, I won't quote the study here, but I believe the ranges for the seminary students stopping to help were between 10% and 63%, with the higher numbers helping when they had the time to. (But still, 63% seems a bit low to me! Especially considering the preoccupation with 'morality' in the subjects. And 10%?? Apparently, some even stepped over the body on their way)

Anyway, thought it was relevant. If I got anything wrong, here is one out of many links to read about it in:

faculty.babson.edu...



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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I am just surprised no one pissed on him, and filmed it for youtube. The hypocrites on foxnews should not be talking about this vid, they are just as bad.

Hypocrites occupy all walks of life but no where like teh media.

But on the story, why would anyone be shocked, i am just shocked that you americans never filmed it for youtube.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:41 AM
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Exactly, bunch of hypocrites. Fox news is full of these scum, who would dance on your grave in a happy fashion, just like most in media.

They have the cheek to even talk about this while they would never do anything themselves.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Kaytagg
Why is he homeless in the first #ing place?

We live in a society where conservatives want to see people without jobs living on the streets; what difference does it make if he dies fast or slow? He's already been cast out of society like a piece of garbage.

Yea, so nobody helps. Big #ing deal. Nobody helped him when he lost his job, lost his house/apartment, and lost his dignity. Why should they help him now?


That's the kind of society conservatives created.. What do you expect?

Helping him would be welfare, and treating him would cost money, and making sure he isn't homeless in the first place would be socialism.. So that's what you get.


Typical liberal response (I think the vulgar language gave that away).

You seem to forget that this happened in New York City, one of the most liberal places in the United States. The government has conditioned people to rely on others for help, and when the time comes for somebody to do something on their own, they don't know how to handle it.

Right back at ya.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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This is what America is all about in 2010.

F.U, I'm eating!

I was born in Brooklyn, NY at a time where the stabber would have had his head caved in by no less than 15-20 people.

Now we have a court system that will probably acquit the killer on self defense and air a bunch of P.S.A's to remind New Yorkers that guns are illegal for all but the rich.

It should be a death penalty case if you ask me but I doubt if he gets more than 3-5 years if he is even caught.

The way you stop things like this is with a lot of guns and bullets, the skells of New York have grown bolder and the only answer is for the common man to have the ability to protect himself.

In NY That wont happen, ever.

Enjoy the time you have left, we are a worthless society in a tailspin decline.

Its only a matter of time before we remember these times as the good ol days.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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Humans are primates with the survival instinct in full bloom when they see a dangerous, dirty, homeless man. lol Add blood and death and you have excited the primate brain beyond standard reasoning.

For real! I have witnessed this myself many many times....sad but true.

Try to spend a day watching a multi generational study of stress and its biological effects upon not only your own body but upon the sociological/anthropological niche primates dwell in.

The fact that we are bi pedal is probably one of few factors that separate us from Baboons. That would be about it...www.ted.com...

Only those who can rise above the fight or flight instinct can display that they have allowed their idea of survival beyond that of what they can see, hear, taste and smell.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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its against the law not to help ,

and as in this case if people stopped and saw that there was blood they practicly engage them selfs in involuntary man slaugher for knowing that he is badly hurt and not doing anything to help him.

shock is one thing that is understandable but ignoring is just as inhumane as the stabbers actions.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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Watch how glenn beck make a series about it laughing about the homeless man now, in true anglo american tv satire style.

I wonder will jon stewert laugh about this, he probably will.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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Scary!!

this reminds me of an incident at a college (suny Canton) 20 minutes from where I live.

Link - www.watertowndailytimes.com...

A student was singled out for a gang attack in a group of 25-30, and none of them did anything. Just continued to walk to the movies and watch a movie as if nothing had happened.




A SUNY Canton freshman was attacked and stabbed several times Sunday night by three fellow students while heading to the movies with a group of friends.

Mathew W. Rivera, 18, of the Bronx, was taken to Canton-Potsdam Hospital in Potsdam after being stabbed seven times, including six times in the back and slashed once across his abdomen. He was listed Monday in stable condition.

Canton village police responded at 8:43 p.m. Sunday to the incident, and found Mr. Rivera lying on the ground at Riverside Drive and Prospect Street.

Mr. Rivera was walking to the American Theater on Main Street to watch "Saw V" with about 30 students when the incident occurred. None of the students stepped in to stop the attack, police said.....

As we crossed the foot bridges, a group of guys behind us were yelling and trying to start a fight," Mr. Rivera wrote in a statement while at the hospital Sunday night. "They knocked me down and started kicking me. One of the guys punched me in the chest I thought, but I put my hand on my chest and I then saw blood. I have no idea who they were."



Heres the kicker- THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD ALWAYS DO SOMETHING, OR ALERT AUTHORITIES



Students and faculty were alerted of the stabbing about 90 minutes after the incident happened through the NY Alert program.


90 minutes before the campus was warned!!! how many people could have walked through that wooded area and have been attacked in that time?



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