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Homeless Hero Stabbed, 25 People Don't Help

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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Here's a story that befuddles me.


A heroic homeless man, stabbed after saving a Queens woman from a knife-wielding attacker, lay dying in a pool of blood for more than an hour as nearly 25 people indifferently strolled past him, a shocking surveillance video obtained by the New York Post reveals.

Fox - Homeless "Hero" Ignored While Dying on NYC Street

Here is the video.
Youtube - Video of the crime and shows no one helping (Couldn't embed)

This man was stabbed at 5:40am and help never arrived until 7:23am. I really don't know what's worse, the stabbing or the 25 people who never helped. I'm not arguing for a good samaritan law (like Seinfeld), but I cannot keep asking why did everyone act so indifferent?

Reminds me of a story about Kitty Genovese. For anyone that is older, or if your younger and have taken an ethics class might remember hearing about Genovese Syndrome, otherwise known as bystander effect.

a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases where individuals do not offer help in an emergency situation when other people are present.


I've traveled to NYC a few times, but of course I've stayed out of a few areas while traveling there. Is this normal? Like how the youtube user even said, do people just think he was sleeping? I mean I cannot wrap my head around this one, I just keep asking why...




posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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What happened to the Woman he saved. Why did she just leave him and not call 911 ?

She would have seen it all but refused to even make a phone call.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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The reason people don't help in these situations, is simply because they think another will do it for them. Indeed, the bigger the number of 'bystanders', the greater the effect. People dissolve in their anonimosity. A way to prevent this from happening is to point at someone and ask for help. This way, you shock people back into reason, into indentity, and loose from the group.

It's a logical, yet tragical result of the human brain. Just being aware of this effect and the workings of it should be sufficient to overcome it yourself, whenever you encouter such a situation like this.



[edit on 24-4-2010 by -Thom-]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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it is a crime that those people did nothing, it makes them as guilty as the murderer, and psychology bs about sheep behavior is a weak excuse, in my opinion the world is getting sicker, all those people are glued to the TV when it comes to violence, but if they come across it in real life they are pussies.

I have more than once put myself in between to prevent or end fights and other things.

They don't make the emergency numbers free for no reason and nearly anyone has a mobile phone.

When does ignoring a crime will be a crime according to law?


[edit on 24-4-2010 by Grey Magic]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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reply to post by higns07
 


Lack of morality within a society equals the OP..

[edit on 24-4-2010 by oozyism]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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reply to post by Grey Magic
 


Aside from the fact that this is a documented psychological phenomenon, most people are not mentally equipped to deal with a crisis situation. A persons self preservation instinct kicks in high gear. I'm sure that in a lot of cases they're scared of being involved. They might get hurt or worse.

The fact that you intervene makes you a special type of person. Most people think if they break up a fight they'll be shot or stabbed or beaten. Unfortunately most people are right. I recall a situation here in my city where a mall security guard tried to break up a fight and got shot for his troubles.

A lot of people make a big deal about human empathy etc. unfortunately it doesn't exist in the majority of the population. As long as it doesn't affect my life and my property I don't care what happens to anyone else. That is the mindset of most. Let someone else put their physical and in the case of lawsuit, financial neck on the line. It's sad really but an undeniable fact of humanity.

Edit: to the post below me who says this wouldn't happen in the south. It happens to all humanity, no matter where you are. I'm sure you could find documented incidents of this occurring everywhere in the world.

[edit on 4/24/10 by Hypntick]

[edit on 4/24/10 by Hypntick]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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This is just the normal behavior for the northeast region of the country. If a person is being beaten to near death a crowd forms to watch and drool over it. If a similar incident happens in the southern sections of the country, it would NOT be unusual to read about a 99 year old women hopping a 10 foot fence to rescue someone in a similar situation. Thats just the way it is in different parts of the country.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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From what I understand, they still haven't been able to identify the woman. But I have been asking the same question. That's why I finished the OP with I keep asking why...

It wouldn't surprise me if she never comes in with her story of the events. She is probably completely ashamed by her actions. But I can also see how "in the moment" she thought she was the victim, so she just ran.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Twenty-five people had no answer because they never really saw the incident and looked the other way? Rubbernecking seems like an in-car affair, not an up-close-and-personal one. It probably made better dinner material from their minds, for considering "how fortunate they are to not be involved. So much for empathy leading to proactive results instead of comprehension.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Northwarden]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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At first I thought he must be lying in an alley and look like a homeless person sleeping but he was on the sidewalk in an awkward position. I guess no one saw the blood and just figured he was homeless and sleeping but it still seemed a little callous. A lot of people noticed him and made movements to indicate that they thought it was strange but did nothing.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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So no one believes morality has anything to do with this story??



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism
Lack of morality within a society equals the OP..


I agree, and that same lack of moral is reflected in the government those people deserve and got.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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Shocking, that poor guy.

However, could some of the people that ignored him simply mistook him for being drunk?

There are plently of times I've seen people so intoxicated with booze rolling around the floor, you really don't want to get involved as I've learned from experience.

The one that rolled him over onto his side then walked away, would have seen the blood, so there is no exuse there.



[edit on 24-4-2010 by Tykonos]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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However, could some of the people that ignored him simply mistook him for being drunk?

Firstly he was lying on a pool of blood..

Secondly even if someone was drunk, but for what ever reason, if I see that guy laying on the ground I would do something about it.. It is retarded of people to be so ignorant, hence ignore everything surrounding them... People get alcohol poisoning, remember?

Just an hour ago a girl got beaten up by one of my neighbors, she couldn't even walk.. I didn't leave her there on her knees coughing and crying, I went and helped her..



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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The man who moved the injured party is sure guilty of a crime, disturbing a crime scene!

I cannot believe that no one could dial 911 at least, sheesh.

The sheep continue to sheep things, nothing.

How sad that is...



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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I agree with your statement, and I've even tried coming up with ways in which it wasn't that easy to explain, but ultimately that might be the best answer.

It's one of those things that is driving me nuts because I seem to want to know what these people were thinking. I just want to prick the brains of the woman and the other 25 people, just to see what was going through their head. I mean even the guy that took his cell phone out and proceded to take a picture... i just want to scream at him, "what the hell were you doing?"

I feel that if no more information becomes available about what happened, your explanation is the answer, and it's hard to just leave it at that, for me at least.

Edit * - Thom does seem to have an explanation very similar to the findings of John Darley and Bibb Latane from a research project in 1968.
Bystander Intervention in Emergencies: Diffusion of Responsibility

My only problem with it though is that in the video, the majority of people were alone. Which in the study, the findings show that the majority of people that were alone would help, unlike if it were a group of people.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by higns07]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Why is he homeless in the first #ing place?

We live in a society where conservatives want to see people without jobs living on the streets; what difference does it make if he dies fast or slow? He's already been cast out of society like a piece of garbage.

Yea, so nobody helps. Big #ing deal. Nobody helped him when he lost his job, lost his house/apartment, and lost his dignity. Why should they help him now?


That's the kind of society conservatives created.. What do you expect?

Helping him would be welfare, and treating him would cost money, and making sure he isn't homeless in the first place would be socialism.. So that's what you get.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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When I moved to Portland OR it was the first time I've really been surrounded by homeless people seemingly on every corner. I used to feel bad for them, gave them money, on a few occasions food.. then I started working at a job that dealt with them every day .. finding them passed out from horoin, drunk, injecting god knows what.. begging for money with signs like "just need money for a bus ticket to get back home" for 6 months straight, while they talk on their phones and cuss at everyone walking by...

I don't pay any attention to them anymore, and if any become aggressive I'm 10X aggressive back. I don't find it at all surprising that people walk past a homeless person, even if he was sprawled on the ground.. and when you live around them you know waking them is the worst thing you can do as they are often coming off their high and are very aggressive..

And it's not like anyone knew he'd just saved someone..

The only thing I find shocking is the person to shook him, lifted his head and saw a large pool of blood then walked off and reported a non-emergency.
That's just sad.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Why don't you invite them to your home.. oh.. no that's right you just want the government to fix it .. out of sight, out of mind.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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www.nypost.com...

That's the original article with the videos in case anyone wants to watch.



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