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Originally posted by Crimson_King
reply to post by blupblup
Do you mean the artist only wants to draw Mohammad pictures and dont want people to support drawing other religious figures for the reason other 2 pictures may be offensive.
Is the end point not against censoring & right to expression in whatever way anyone wants to depict anyone? I read all statements in thread and everyone saying its right to expression......so what is the problem now? If I target I target all religion is it not how it works?
If one person A can draw derogatory 1 figure person B can draw derogatory picture of different figure also. All who support this freedom need to understand its slippery slope..it can be turned against also.
If you want to draw and say anything you want, you need to remember same right will be practiced by other person.
Originally posted by lee anoma
I find all of this focus very suspicious and well-timed.
So who started this New York based radical Islam website?
I was surprised when I looked into just that.
It was created by Yousef al-Khattab, who was born Joseph Cohen, an American Jew who converted to Islam after living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school. He came back to New York, starts this radical Islamic website and starts spewing antisemitic and anti-American sentiments online.
So this American Jew who after going to Israel and studying the religion so seriously, suddenly became so vehemently disillusioned with Judaism?
. . . . .
this whole thing smells as fishy as an Israeli dressed as an Arab and dancing around as the towers fell.
Originally posted by boredsilly
My guess is Jews own the website and planted these comments to spread hatred towards muslims. You people as usual take the bait hook line and sinker ... too easy really.
Originally posted by blupblup
I don't think you understand the concept... The reason the Artist has asked for pictures of Mohammed is because it's the only religious figure you cannot draw and it's actually in response to Death Threats that were directed at the shows creators and the network that carries the show. Please understand this fundamental point, i understand what you're saying and have no issue with it, it's just not what this thread is about or what the artist is trying to highlight.
Of course this is a statement about censorship and all forms of censorship are wrong, but there are plenty of other causes and artists/comedians who are highlighting these other forms of censorship.
You can of course target all other religions and I urge you to do so, however this is about the artist mentioned in the OP and what They are asking people to do.... If you have a problem then why not start your own campaign and request drawings from artists depicting all other gods/prophets, instead of pointlessly trying to pick holes in this one and failing miserably to do so.
Of course they can, however the article does not mention anywhere that the drawings should or even can, be derogatory.... so where are you reading that this is intended to be offensive and/or derogatory??
Originally posted by Carseller4
Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
Let me tell you a little fun fact about Muhammad.
It was Abu Bakr, a friend of Muhammad's as I'm sure you know, BEGGED him to marry his daughter.Then when Muhammad finally gave in he married her, but also kept her in the utmost respect.
But I'm SURE you know that as you want to stick with WHATS IMPORTANT!
Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, and Jesus did not fall to the temptation.
Mohammed was tempted by Abu Bakr, with the offer of his daughter in marriage, and after 3 years of holding out fell to his temptation and consumated the marriage when she was only 9 years old.
Yeah I totally was off base by criticizing Mohammed on this one.
Come on? You are defending this?
Originally posted by Crimson_King
So the intention is to draw something against which someone object? That's what you're saying ultimately by claiming it's right to expression and freedom of saying anything and anyone wants too.
If this is the case why are organisations like ADL working inside USA who are famous to label anyone anti-semitic and Nazi who says anything against Jews or holocaust and are then hollered by mainstream media until the person is publicly humiliated and his/her life destroyed? Why no similar art project against Jews?
There is no point in the whole thing. You ultimately want freedom to draw something which offends others but when the table is turned on you, you are suggesting:
"other artists are doing it so we dont have to"
"this thread is about freedom of expression buy only limited to drawing 1 particular figure"
and why are you suggesting that??? because it offends you and dont want to see those pictures and dont want to accept that drawing those pictures are also freedom of expression.
If the Muslim "religion" consider it derogatory to even depict a living form of Mohd. or watever the name of their God is then the only main reason to draw is to offend and depict images of their God.
Similarly Swastika or Seig Heil or Hail Hitler or Nazi regalia is considered derogatory in Jewish religion for watever reasons that is why it is not allowed to wear that sign/ looked down upon and in many countries there are laws against it. Even in USA anyone who wears that sign is targeted not only by media but by politicians...organisations.
It is funny there is so much uproar over this with cries of censorship when just only few days ago someone in USA was charged for possessing cartoon or porn depicting underage teens. Why was the person charged bcoz' other ppl find it derogatory & dats y its against law lol! So wht abt this censorship? Heck! we are talking abt censorship on a forum where there are rules about what can be talked about and what cannot be for ex. drugs, personal consumption, illicit activity, porn etc. Wat about this censorship? Why is it censored?
Talk about freedom of expression when u stand up for everything else also otherwise u are only standing up for what u think is right and not for other's freedom of expression.
Originally posted by webpirate
The Muslims can use a cartoon to try to help them and their people out. However, as is obvious from this story, there are now sects from Israel who can't take the cartoon and labeled it as psychological warfare.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Now the owner of the Facebook page is NOT going to participate in her own event, due to the "appalling" hatred she is seeing from those participating, depicting very hateful Mo pictures.
Here is her statement:
"Apparently this has turned into a mud-slinging fest, because most people posting on this event's Wall just don't get it.
Why did I create this event? I saw the fantastic cartoon now shown on this page, and thought it was a very nice (and polite + respectful) way of making the point that while Mohammed might well have insisted that he not be depicted by Muslims (to prevent idol worship), there are plenty of non-Muslims who value freedom of expression -- and that we can all live together with mutual respect."
Now, in what world is this lady living that she is appalled and aghast by the immature responses? They were responding in kind!
And I would not be surprised AT ALL if some group like the ADL were not behind the more "appalling" Mohammad pictures submitted.
With the furor over this Facebook page, what a great opportunity for the ADL and their keyboard commandos to jump in and stir up some chum, see what bites. They'll make a new report on it.
What did this lady expect in these tense times, Kumbaya???
It is too easy to make a Facebook anymore.
I propose waiting periods and licenses to use the internets!!! And background checks too.
Originally posted by blupblup Do you understand what this argument is about?
Are you even talking about this specific argument or are you just rambling about all forms of Censorship and so on?
I really don't see how you can have an informed opinion on this when you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and no idea what South Park is about...
There is no similar "Art Project" about Jews because they did not threaten to kill the creators and network people of the show for just Saying someone's name
.... do you understand that??
Yes its equally ridiculous as threat of ruining someone's life and publicly humiliating coz after that the person is anyway finished.
Making death threats for saying the name Mohammed.... It's beyond ridiculous.
Just stop trying to argue with me,
No.... South Park never intended to show Mohammed, they were pointing out, through the medium of comedy, that it is a crazy state of affairs when you can show Buddha doing coke and Jesus surfing Porn, but have to put Mohammed in a bear suit or the back of a van because depictions of him are somehow banned.... funnily enough they're banned for Muslims,
None of what you're talking about has anything to do with this issue.
People show images of jesus, as you did, as a zombie... hell South Park have Jesus as a regular character.... yet no death threats from Extremist Christians... Please... read up on the matter a little and stop talking about completely unrelated things like swastikas?
Originally posted by Crimson_King
If this is the case why are organisations like ADL working inside USA who are famous to label anyone anti-semitic and Nazi who says anything against Jews or holocaust and are then hollered by mainstream media until the person is publicly humiliated and his/her life destroyed? Why no similar art project against Jews? Why are people not making swastika's and other images which are ridiculed in public because they are offending to Jews? Or tell me that its not true? Is it or not? Is there no threat then?
Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564561
You realize you're going to hell for that one, don't ya. The fact that it got a chuckle out of me tells me I'll probably be joining you. I'll just keep telling myself that wasn't really Christ that wasn't really Christ,..Edit to ask, does Mohammed have a last name?[edit on 25-4-2010 by Alxandro]