Why do you support the ILLEGALS?

reply to post by brianmg5


That little song you were alluding to was written by Woodie Guthrie,
one of the biggest Socialists of all times. This land is my land, this land
is your land, blah, blah ,blah. And he wasn't referring to Americans.
He wanted all the "illegals" so he could also have a nice warm fuzzy
feeling about his fantasy world.

reply to post by prionace glauca


You do know that there are million of Illegal aliens that were brought here against there will when they were like 1 or 2 years old, even 5. They went to school all there lives here and graduated. They got up every moring in the class room and put their right hand on their heart and said the following

I Pledge Alligence to the Flag
Of the United States Of America
To the Republic for which it stands
One Nation, Under God, Indivisible,
With Liberity and Justice for all.

So please tell me, how are these kids Illegal?

I will agree with you we need to stop illegal Immigration, but we need to refrom the system so kids who grew up illegally in America have the same rights we have.

Most of these kids Barely speek spannish anymore. There's one student AT St Mary's University who is an Illegal alien, a top of her class and her case is pending on being sent back. She came to this country when she was 2 years old. I was force to live in Texas because of my mom because we kids have no say on where we live. And Now, the Federal government wants to send her back.

But I guess she ain't american, after all just because she said the Pledge everyday don't make it so.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by antonia

 

And the other assumption is that everyone supporting the law is a redneck racist.

And? What was the whole point of this thread then? For the two camps to get on here and have a protracted fight?

Honestly, you are both pathetic and you have no solutions for ANY of the problems presented.

Originally posted by endtimer
reply to post by brianmg5

 

That little song you were alluding to was written by Woodie Guthrie,
one of the biggest Socialists of all times. This land is my land, this land
is your land, blah, blah ,blah. And he wasn't referring to Americans.
He wanted all the "illegals" so he could also have a nice warm fuzzy
feeling about his fantasy world.

Here is a video to those words..

reply to post by sirbikesalot06


For someone to be here since they were 1,2,5y/o there is a variety of paperwork one can submit to change their own illegal status to legal. But if one enjoys the perks of being an Illegal citizen, hey why not ride it out.

reply to post by prionace glauca


"Bank owned because you or your parents signed into something they couldn't afford. If it doesn't affect you then fill in "you" with "others"

I don't know if you're aware of this, but regardless as to wether you pay your note or not...it's still bank owned. Or are you one of those people who think home ownership and mortgage can exist in the same sentence?

"You just said you were an American and yet you talk in the Third person? Ah, so you claim to be an American to try to make a valid point but it isn't because you aren't one to begin with. Kind of like what our siting POTUS does everyday."

Actually, I'd like to consider myself an American that is open to reliquishing his citizenship.

"With your third person pandering I doubt you are one, but if you are we'll be one enemy within less."

huh?

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Visitor2012]

Why I'm for Illegals.
1.Simply because I hate my old Any Griffith type of life.
2.I love dodging bicycles on the way to work.
3.I love seeing feces in the floor of resturaunts and my workplace.
4.I love it when I see them urinating in front of kids at the park.
5.I love it when one puts 11 bullets in a guy and flees back to mexico then returns a month later with a new name and a escalade.
6.I love seeing people getting laid off so cheaper labor can be hired.
7.I love watching economic terrorism in action as tons of money cross the border.
8.I love it when I have to stand in line at school to register my kids and get tuned away because their full up with cute lil latios.
9.I love paying taxes so I can watch Escalades and expeditions full of sweet lil latino kids come to school and get free state bought lunches.
10.i love it when my 84 year old neighbor gets 9 dollars a month foodstamps while the mexi fellow pushes out 4 buggies of groceries bought with foodstamps..

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


You really need to read the book " The Man Who Made It Snow" by Max Mermelstein. He tells of the real Drug Cartels, and it is not simple street dealers. These guys live in mansions, pay millions to cops for protection, have exotic animals imported for pleasure and hunting, human sex slaves, the list goes on and on. These guys sit and laugh when an American wins the lottery for 100 million, pocket change for them.

The drug cartels fund the nation's banks. I say take them all down. Won't ever happen though, because of things like this.

Because I support the constitution

Because this bill depends upon fascist derived methods to enforce.

This is a losing battle for you BTW, be prepared and make sure your "side" does not piss
away all it's gains in the process. The chess board has completely flipped, best you recognize it -

have fun, fling a couple of fresh ones for me!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Have you all forgotten that these are hard working people just like you and me? Just trying to make a life for themselves?

Did you ever stop the think about the actual immigration process? The ammount of work, loop holes and utter BS that is required to become a legal and valid American Citizen?

SOME of them are hardworking people just like you and me. SOME of them are not, and they are here because they hope to freeload off our social programs, or make a living selling drugs, etc.

Lets not make saints out of all illegal aliens. They are just like every other group in America in that they are varied in their character.

The big difference is that they are here illegally. Which right off the bat tells you that they are scoff laws. I know immigration is a pain. I considered immigrating to another country for a period of time myself, for school. There are a ton of hoops to jump through. However I would never in a million years have considered just going there and once there trying to hide and blend in. No matter what the hoops, I would have jumped them.

You dont deserve to immigrate to a country if you do not respect that countrys laws. Period.

The only illegal immigrants I think should ever be allowed the opportunity to gain legal status are those who came here as children, and had no choice in the matter, or those who can show they hid here because in their own country they were legitimately in fear of their life.

We have enough people in this country who think the laws dont apply to them, that they are special and dont need to follow the rules of society. We dont need to import more people who feel that way. I would much rather expedite the legal immigration procedure, or somehow reward those who are doing what is required of them. I am vehemently opposed to amnesty for illegals.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]

reply to post by Janky Red


I have a hard time you even know what the constitution is let alone supporting it. Watching the movie National Treasure doesn't automatically turn one into a master of the constitution. Though a trip to Philadelphia and Washington D.C is needed for you to accomplish and read the documents first hand.

The chess pieces have yet to be flipped. Come November the Tyranny of this government shall be changed for the good of the Citizens who care to save this country from falling off the cliff of political correctness.

reply to post by Janky Red


What fascist methods?

I keep seeing all these accusations being thrown out, but nothing to back them up. People having to show their ID's? When 24 states have laws that make it illegal to not have your ID?

Are these people not afforded every right to become legal citizens of the United States? Could these people not also seek political asylum at an American embassy. The means to become a citizen of the United States are there, they are a pain yes, I had a brother-in-law who married a Honduran and what a mess that was but she is now a legal US citizen.

We are expected to embrace a person who comes here and right from the get go commits an illegal act and then expect that they are going to be fine a upstanding citizen. I fail to see the logic in that. And then I am expected to be apologetic for the means and methods my ancestors used to secure my freedoms as being unfair. I wasn't there I can only learn from what was done. but it has been done.

This is a foreign invasion through very covert means and now we find ourselves surrounded by this force that is openly advocating taking it back from us. but I'm wrong here and I am not supporting "fairness".

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Notice the section in bold?

Foreign relations is exactly that. FOREIGN. i.e. dealing with other countries.

...MAYBE you should reread what I posted, because it clearly tells how laws like this have been brought to court and found to be unconstitutional, thus repealed. Or perhaps read the example, where if I recall a state in the USA wasn't allowed to use legislation against illegal immigrants.

Lies. Please show me in the law where it dictates them to racially profile.

The part where a state on the Mexican-US boarder passed a law heavily enforcing immigration. It doesn't take much to infer that people are going to use racial profiling to enforce the law.

And in order to freely exercise those rights you have to be a LAW ABIDING member of the country that protects those rights.

I guess I missed the fine print near "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL" that says "but only if you're an American!"

Too bad that isn't what the founders believed.

Lies. Please show me the similarities in the AZ law vs Germanic law.

From the holocaust museum website

All Jews were obliged to carry identity cards that indicated their Jewish heritage

I can't find a copy of the exact law (although I've seen it before) but it basically allowed nazi law enforcement to question anyone with any hint of suspicion of being Jewish and allowed law enforcement to ask for ID even if you weren't doing anything.

You never get asked for your drivers license?

Only when I am needed to. I've refused a handful of times because I didn't need to and they didn't have the authority to force me to give my ID.

You said that there was legal precedent for the state to not enforce immigration. That is unconstitutional.

I said there was legal precedent for the country to uphold slavery. That is unconstitutional.

Connect the dots.

Except one of these two actions is not a heinous crime against humanity. Try to guess which one it is.

well, i have nothing against them but i do not understand why they would want to come here. i understand that when we talk about illegals, we're not just talking about mexicans but let us use mexico here as an example.

what is wrong with mexico? it is not a communist country, it is in the top 15 economy in the world, they share the same continent as the most powerful economy in the world and the richest man on earth at the moment is from mexico. it has not been involved in wars, which can send a country back economically for decades but instead mexico has plenty of peace time to develop. mexico has a better economy than south korea but if you look at the two countries side by side, it seems like south korea is at least 50 years ahead of mexico, how is this possible?

mexico has all the opportunity in the world to become a world super power and yet, they are nowhere near it and for that reason their citizens choose to immigrate to the united states looking for a better life.

it just doesn't add up, i just don't understand it.

Originally posted by Light of Night
reply to post by Janky Red

 

What fascist methods?

I keep seeing all these accusations being thrown out, but nothing to back them up. People having to show their ID's? When 24 states have laws that make it illegal to not have your ID?

Nice half-truth. Those laws are only in effect when a police officer has reasonable suspicion of an individual having committed a crime. I should know, I live in one of these states, and I have refused to comply when they had absolutely no suspicion of any illegal activities being committed by myself.

reply to post by DOADOA


They aren't only coming here for the jobs my friend. They are coming here for something that is worth a lot more than meager jobs can provide.

The real deal of the invasion by the illegals

How much does it take to raise a child in this country? From Kindergarten all the way to College.

How much does the health care impact ones budget even if you had insurance, think about all of the co-pays? Illegals have nothing to worry about in that regard. They simply don't have to pay anything.

reply to post by prionace glauca


Only a fool can answer for another.

My ancestors are "Indian" Not native Americans. "INDIANS" We came here through the connected lands of north, we live in the arctic, we live in the southern hemisphere, we are a nomadic people, we cared/care for the land, and creatures, we welcomed others into our tribes if they posed no threats to our way of life, we shared and bartered our food and resources with others.

We take in the poor and people that need shelter and food, we give care to those that are wounded or emotionally ill, even the founders of "your" land will admit that a man raised by Indians and integrated would return to this way of life the moment they were free too, and they also admit that a white man raised by whites , once allowed to live with Indians would also return to our way of life if they had the chance and taste of the life style, even though you keep us on reserves like some kind of wild beasts.

We know that the earth is not ours but a being of its own fancy that without notice can feed or destroy us. It is our mother this earth it is our refuge from a universe undiscovered and dangerous. It is our protector and we its keepers. This land is for all, not a few, not the tyrannical, and defiantly not the narcissistic views you spout with such ignorance.

If something is illegal, is it wrong? If it's legal, is it right?



[edit on 24-4-2010 by Visitor2012]

reply to post by humilisunus


You still stuck in a time that has long past. Today's world is full of bureaucracies and shady politicians. But one thing that has made America a shining beacon amongst all of the nation is the freedom one has here. Those freedoms are what we hold dear and don't want any illegals to corrode our freedoms away. Not all illegals are bad but the ones that are need to be put back, its a same how a few ruin it for the rest.