excellent subject of pertinance these days...and good work
Originally posted by ararisq
reply to post by DISRAELI
I've heard if you cut the fingers off each of the four horsemen and take their ring and somehow trick the devil in to going back to hell then the devil can be trapped and Armageddon can be thwarted. It must be true, I watched it on TV.
Originally posted by daddio
THAT is funny. SO has anyone took the time to interpret the "Lord of the Rings"? Or any other movies that use the ring of power? Is there some truth to these things or a sliver of truth to everthing?
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by DISRAELI
Perhaps it's possible that this could be a riddle, not so much as an interpretation or how we read these passages. Could it also be possible we have one of 4 choices? When it comes to Torah there is always a hidden message of sorts and could take months or years to figure just afew short passages.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
OK, gentlemen, if you're going to start referencing Lord Of the Rings, I should point out that you're in completely the wrong chapter of Revelation.
Tolkien explains at one point in the book that the ten "ringwraiths" were formerly kings who were reigning under the power of Sauron. Unfortunately, he doesn't explain which came first. That is, he doesn't say whether they were already kings when they came under Sauron's power, or whether they were under Sauron's power first and he then made them kings. This is very frustrating, because historians like to know this kind of thing.
Anyway, the point is that these ten ringwraith "kings" under Sauron are obviously a straight steal from the ten kings who rule "for one hour together with the Beast" in Revelation ch 17.
Tolkien also hints at "The One" who rules the world. For example, when humans journey to the forbidden land across the sea, we are told that the guardians of it surrender their guardianship back to "The One".
Since Tolkien was a Christian, these Christian hints are not surprising. It would probably be possible to discover a great deal of Chritian allegory inside the book. The self-sacrifice of Gandalf?
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"Conquest"? "Conflict"? But what, then, would be the difference between that and "taking peace from the earth", which is supposed to be the job of the next horseman?
"The coming of the Antichrist"? In my reading of the book, this is much too early to be looking for the Beast. I suggested in my "Silence in Heaven" thread (q.v.) that the Beast belongs to the time when the world is trying to recover from the 4 Horsemen.
Popular culture labelled the first horseman as "Plague" or "Pestilence". I'm still not convinced that popular culture got it wrong.
In Psalm 91 vv5-6, the incoming arrow is one of the symbols of pestilence;
"You will not fear the terror of the night,
Nor the arrow that flies by day,
Nor the pestilence that stalks in darkness,
Nor the destruction that wastes at noonday."
We get the same image at the beginning of Homer's Iliad, where the flying arrows of the angry god Apollo are wreaking havoc in the Greek camp.
This seems to be an association of ideas which the ancient world would have recognised.