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*Video* Small riot breaks out in Phoenix over Immigration bill

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Somewhere gal
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


They need to enforce the new law during these riots......you know who will be there!! Why would "Legal" immigrants be rioting!



Just another example of PROFILING.

You aren't going based off any FACTS...you are just seeing a darker skin tone and passing judgement.




posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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There were already laws on the books making "illegal" immigration illegal.
The only difference with this one is that cops can now stop anyone and ask them what their citizenship status is.
What is the big deal, you tell them "I am a US citizen" if they need further proof you show them your SS card, I don't think we are required to carry around a copy of our BC yet are we?

On that note what is the big deal with a legal citizen card issued to everywone here legally, a national ID as has been instituted in India?

I think it would end ALOT of problems.

If you have nothing to hide you shuldn't have a problem with this.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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They've been profiled as being mafioso crinimals, for generations. FACT!


Did a special bill pass that says that Italians are now guilty until they can prove themselves innocent??? Because that's what this bill says for Hispanics.

Give me one example of an Italian being detained JUST for being Italian...and being told they won't release them until THEY can PROVE they are not part of the mafia.

Your argument and comparison is ridiculous.


Nice try:
en.wikipedia.org...

If I a citizen have to endure a Police State then so do any and all illegal aliens.


Did you even read your own source??? It clearly says that you don't have to provide ID...the most you have to do is tell them your name...and that is AFTER you are arrested.

It also says that for a casual encounter...you have every right to just walk away and say nothing...except now if you are Hispanic in Az. now you don't have that right.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Nemesis0123
I don't see how this is going to create major problems for regular citizens. A driver's license or government issued ID should be sufficient. You know what? It's common sense that you should carry some form of identification on you at all times. Leave your birth certificate at home with your track and field medals and spelling bee ribbons.


There's still a few states where you can get a driver's license without needing a Social security number, that's the problem.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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I agree it isn't hard to show your ID and be done with it, but that is just too simple of an argument for the naysayers. As they need something to fight against albeit it be the laws of the US.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Interesting how such a simple concept can turn into such a complicated issue, depending on agendas.

Law: Crossing the border is illegal, unless a proper visa is issued, or other authority is given officially to be here.

Crime: Border crossed illegally.



Now, was that a racist statement? NO!

Is that the truth? YES

Are people reading way more into it than that for their own agendas? YES!!!!

You can try to justify it, deny it, call people racist, figure out why it is occurring, blame the feds, blame Mexico, blame the states or politicians, blame the illegals, but the bottom line can be written in one sentence:

A law was broken, and when laws are broken, action is due.

Really not much more to it than that.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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reply to post by Gakus
 


And if an ID is from such states who are lax about giving out their Driver Licenses, then further identification is warranted.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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let me tell ya what I think is gonna happen.
THIS IS NOT A THREAT OR ACT OF VIOLENCE
BUT ONLY A THEORY

within the next 90 days, u r going to see
a massive exodus of illegal aliens heading TO
AZ in order to take over the state government
in a hostile takeover.

Just think 20 Million illegals heading to AZ
for a showdown.

This is NO different than an invasion force
rolling up on a beach. The invasion has already
began and our DC government has let it
happen by inaction.

Therefore they are complicit in it's intentions.
By allowing it to happen denotes treason.

If the reason for inaction by DC was due to
dual party bi-partisanship, then we have a broke
dysfunctional system that needs overhaul.

This is a war in the homeland and DC sits
on the sidelines and watches like a Friday
night High School football game. Except
this time, they are sitting in the visitor's
bleachers.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Please tell me where in my words that I mentioned color?? Sounds to me like your profiling just by mentioning it.

If your illegal then your illegal.......even if your purple in color! All I'm saying is illegals will be there rioting too!!

[edit on 24-4-2010 by Somewhere gal]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Give me one example of an Italian being here illegaly.

You can't because they're not.

I can give you 10 million examples of Mexicans being here illegaly because they are.

Give it up dude.

Peace



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Look; I'm not trying to argue with you. The point that I am trying to make out of all this is simple: How do you determine if someone is illegal? How do you decide WHO warrants an interview or investigation to determine their citizenship? How does law enforcement articulate their suspicion about illegal alienage without profiling? That is the gist of my whole argument.

I acknowledge your points on how to deal with the issue. And you know what? They are good points for people that already have legal status and can provide the paperwork requested. My point is that there are loopholes that are used to obviate these filters. So, it is very difficult to weed out the illegal aliens in this manner.

I guess I was trying to address this from a LE standpoint and didn't make myself clear. Without being able to rely on these methods you point out, illegal aliens will have to be identified through other, more intrusive means. Using these means requires articulable suspicion that a crime (being illegally present in the United States) has taken place. What is acceptable as a means for suspicion that cannot be viewed as profiling?

Benevolent, I realize that you are offering potential solutions. I am simply trying to get people to realize that there is some level of intrusiveness that has to be acceptable in order to weed out the illegal aliens.


[edit on 4/24/2010 by JWH44]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Another view from the air on this event:

www.liveleak.com...

Those police were lucky that didn't turn out really bad, had that crowd decided to attack. A police line should have been held, and not allowed to cross, while a few others escorted the guy out.

Also, some reports are saying that this guy antagonized the crowd by yelling "Get the F*** out of our country" at the crowd after the bill had passed.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


when they came for the mexicans, I didnt mind because I wasnt mexican. When they came for............. whos next?



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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The problem here is not the illegals. The problem is that this "law" would give police the right to ask to see papers of any suspect of spanish descent.

The problem is that some hispanics are born citizens (no paper citizens). How is a person with no papers going to show papers? We all know law enforcement officials can be overbearing and overstep their bounds. There is nothing here to stop them from arresting a born citizen just because they don't have papers.

Though the law isn't designed to cause this it is an inevitable flaw that will manifest itself I can almost guarentee that.

We have to be very careful with immigration law as to protect born citizens and differentiate between naturalized and illegal immigrants. This law does not.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
 



They've been profiled as being mafioso crinimals, for generations. FACT!


Did a special bill pass that says that Italians are now guilty until they can prove themselves innocent??? Because that's what this bill says for Hispanics.


For a generation they had the equivalent of Homeland Security declare an actual WAR on them.


Give me one example of an Italian being detained JUST for being Italian...and being told they won't release them until THEY can PROVE they are not part of the mafia.


Maybe not lately, but in the past Italian organized crime flourished, and was a threat to the US populace. Today the Italian mafia as it once was is history, and in its place Mexican organized crime is the one out and in the open.


Nice try:
en.wikipedia.org...

If I a citizen have to endure a Police State then so do any and all illegal aliens.



Did you even read your own source??? It clearly says that you don't have to provide ID...the most you have to do is tell them your name...and that is AFTER you are arrested.


Ok, lets get more specific:


“A police officer does not need probable cause to stop a car or a pedestrian and investigate potential crime,” writes Jeff Bray, Senior Legal Advisor to the Plano, Texas Police Department, in the May issue of Police Chief magazine.

“According to the US Supreme Court, a police officer may initiate a temporary stop, a level of intrusion short of an arrest, if the officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that the suspect has committed a crime or is about to commit a crime," writes Bray. "This is commonly known as a Terry stop” -- after the 1968 decision Terry v. Ohio, which grudgingly allowed police to conduct “stop and frisk”-operations in the course of investigating a suspected crime.

The Hiibel ruling, however, expanded “stop and frisk” to include a police power to interrogate people at whim.

The High Court ruling notes that the plaintiff, Nevada resident Larry Dudley Hiibel, “was arrested and convicted for refusing to identify himself” to Humboldt Deputy Sheriff Lee Dove.
freedominourtime.blogspot.com...



It also says that for a casual encounter...you have every right to just walk away and say nothing...


...unless you're suspected of a crime.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Give me one example of an Italian being detained JUST for being Italian...



im sure in france, switzerland, austria, and other border countries to italy do the same thing.

and its not because they hate italians, its because italy is ON THE BORDER.

" " " " " wHaT DoNt YoU UnDeRsTaNd" " " " "



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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This just goes to show how powerful we can be in the masses


Anyway, I love how the guy was saying he wasn't scared


[edit on 24-4-2010 by BiGGz]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Marshal law on the mexicans, they are not safe, if they got here illegally, they will do more illegal things, including killing americans. all they will get to return is either sent back home or get free food and treatment and jail and americans will have to pay $40k per illegal... its a win win for them... i would jump the boarder if i was them to, it would be fun...




Mod Edit: All Caps – Please Review This Link.


[edit on 25-4-2010 by asala]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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What about the immigrants kids who born here in USA as citizens
When they deport they're parents what happens to the kids? Things could get ugly here people, riots, protest, etc.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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I love the "Racist" comments? So enforcing the laws is "racist". I just laugh now when I hear some group calling whites(or whatever doesn't fit their agenda) "racists".


Then there's the argument that this law will allow racial profiling on "brown" people. Well I'd like to think that it would(being Hispanics make up 80+% of the illegals) but I doubt that's the case. I know in my area we have many immigrants from all walks of life. I actually deal with Albanians a lot because of my place of employment and I'm actually really good friends with a lot of them . Over the coarse of the last month or so they been disappearing left and right. Come to find out INS has been cracking down and booting the illegal Albanians back to the mother country. And for any one who doesn't know, Albanians are white boys. So there goes the "brown people" argument.



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