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POLISH PLANE CRASH - Survivors Murdered! NEW Evidence!

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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First - Jane Bürgermeister. She is a great and brave Woman. Because of Her actions there was a Movement in Poland to stop the vaccine purchase.
President Kaczynski was not part of it as far as I know.

Polish Government is not in opposition to NWO. The same was with Pres. Kaczynski. There was some political game between Pres. Kaczynski and Government. Polish elites are implementing the plan for NWO.

Currently I think this plane crash could indeed be a Polish 9/11 - a manipulation, a part of bigger game for WW III.

Well they need Polish people to fight WW III. This is nothing new.




posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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Hey all.

I'm a former Marine and I've watched the video a few times. I have seen an anomaly that ATS may be able to help me verify:

www.youtube.com...

You don't need to maximize the screen. In fact, please watch without maximizing it first because it is clearer and easier for your peripheral (and non peripheral really) vision to see movement in a smaller area.

Fast forward to eleven seconds and PAUSE.

On the FAR LEFT SIDE of the screen behind the furthest tree line there is movement of THREE UNIDENTIFIED MEN.

From LEFT TO RIGHT. VERY LEFT SIDE OF SCREEN BEHIND FURTHEST TREE LINE.

The comments from "thesremmos" on that video are me.

Can anyone else see what I am talking about? Has this already been found? Has anyone done any analysis on these three men running behind the tree line toward the accident?

From my estimation, they are moving at three to four miles per hour (medium to fast walking speed). They are trying to get somewhere.

These men are moving in a line formation TOWARD the crash.

What are these men doing? Are they responsible for the gun shots?

Please look closely multiple times and YOU WILL SEE THESE MEN MOVING BEHIND THE TREE LINE I AM NOT MAKING IT UP.

Does anyone have any info on this?

Once you can see it in non maximized screen (easier for human eyes to catch movement) MAXIMIZE IT and see it on the big screen even better.

IT HAPPENS I EMPHASIZE I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP


[edit on 24-4-2010 by sremmos]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Itsonlyme666
But we ARE talking about those people in the (former) Polish government.
Former Polish government?


As far as I know they are still the Polish government, although the presidential elections will be a little sooner (maybe three months), and depending on those elections results they may be no longer in government.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Is no one else seeing this!
www.youtube.com...
00:11 - 00:13

Far left side of screen, furthest tree line.

Click pause at 00:11 and watch that tree line and then simulate slow motion by clicking pause/play/pause/play

You will see this, please everyone you need to see this for yourselves.


[edit on 24-4-2010 by sremmos]

When I say "far left" I mean like 1mm to the right of the edge of the screen he you see him come into view and moving right as the cameraman moves his camera to the left somewhat, cameraman appears not to see these individuals they are moving through that farthest tree line left to right.

No one has anything to say on this? No one can confirm that they also see this?

[edit on 24-4-2010 by sremmos]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Are you high atm?

They are probably rescue workers or something like that.
Maybe even regular civilians like the dude holding the camera, running about in chock and awe.

I have no idea what you are going at.
And there is no need to write everything twice in CAPS; we are writing and reading here, not talking and listening, mmmkay?



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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My apologies, I was excited. I disagree with you. Those are not rescue workers, rescue workers wear bright vests even in russia, they want to be seen. I want a translation of the audio.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by sremmos]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Itsonlyme666
But we ARE talking about those people in the (former) Polish government.
Former Polish government?


Hello Armap, and welcome to the madhouse...



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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reply to post by sremmos
 


Okay, you are right. Those people could be any people. Really hard to tell from a distance, let alone 3secs of crappy VGA footage...

Translations are to be found at the bottom of this post.

There you can chose what version you would like to believe (I recommend you go with the sane one).

Peace.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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I have a Russian friend translating for me. I will go with his version.

I disagree with claims of "sane" vs "non-sane."

I was excited earlier because of what I saw, I assure you I am a rational human being.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by sremmos]



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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I wonder why they would of killed the polish president and his staff?



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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I see what you mean, but I am not sure of what I see.

I will post some frame grabs in some minutes, and maybe a stabilised version of the video (if everything goes well).

As for a translation, I think I saw one video with the translation, I will look for that.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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Good call.


Please add to the discussion in the other thread if you want to discuss the crash site video (this thread s about the video in the OP). It easily gets so messy, I guess you understand.

Peace...



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by LouMan00
I wonder why they would of killed the polish president and his staff?


From what I understand very recently before he and his staff were killed they announced plans to weaken their currency and further reduce their national debt to international banks.

I believe their National Bank Governor was asked to strengthen their currency by the international banks specifically to help the Euro exchange and the international banks were refused.

I don't know the sociopolitics of poland well enough to make any sort of claim, but this is one example of a motive. The Polish people would be able to give a better answer than me though.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by LouMan00
I wonder why they would of killed the polish president and his staff?


Preparation for WWIII - angry Poles will fight more willingly.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by LouMan00
I wonder why they would of killed the polish president and his staff?


The motive is clearly explained in the last 3 minutes of the video.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 07:29 PM
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I'm usually just a lurker on here and love the site, good and bad. I however, like one or two others, am shocked at the credence this video is being given on a site which usually prides itself on dissecting available evidence to get to the truth. My interest in this topic was aroused by the recent thread regarding alleged gunshots heard on video shot in the immediate aftermath of the crash. I love a good conspiracy as much as anyone else here, but have several serious issues with this segment and felt compelled, for once, to post.

Firstly, a few quotes from Ms Burgermeister:

"Many people are questioning whether it was really an accident..."

"It has been speculated that members of a military group went among the survivors and were actually shooting them..."

"Witnesses have reported seeing military officials changing the lamps lighting up the runway shortly after the accident..."

"...fuelled speculation that the lamps were so placed as to mislead the pilot..."

"...colleagues of the Polish pilot say that he was fluent in Russian."

"...it has materialised that the plane attempted to land only one time..."

"A small group of individuals could have gone through killing the crew on board..."

"...many Polish people are now discussing on internet forums, on blogs and also here on the street in Poland..."

Is it just me, or is she seriously lacking any credible, verifiable sources here? Speculated by who? Who are these "many people"? If they're so many, why couldn't she find at least one to interview for her piece? The two people interviewed added nothing to her argument whatsoever. Where is her evidence that the plane only attempted one landing? According to this link, this has been stated by Tatyana Anodina, chairperson of the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee. Was the fact that the source of this info was Russian, and hence contrary to the underlying tone of her report that Russia is in some way implicated in this, a reason to omit the source? And since when were internet forums and blogs credible sources?

And then we get:

"When we take all these facts together, a likely scenario is that the pilot approaching Smolensk airport was given false information about the real location of the runway and lured into landing in the woods..."

Facts? I don't even know where to start with that.

The title of the thread is also misleading in my opinion. "NEW EVIDENCE!" Sorry, I fail to see even one piece of evidence here, new or otherwise. And finally, the motive is not "clearly explained in the last 3 minutes". It is hypothesised. There is a big difference.

As I said, I have an interest in this subject from the previous thread and am in no way asserting that there is nothing untoward about this incident. However, this is lazy, sensationalist reporting of the worst kind and adds nothing to the search for truth.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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You seem to be working way too hard in hushing up this topic...

Why?

You're not supposed to hear gunshots at crash sites unless foul play is afoot. And foul play definitely seems to be in play here. Nobody here was born yesterday.

Also, the government of Russia is holding most of the evidence cards now. It is very easy for you to demand evidence when you and all of us already know this fact. Regardless of which there seems to be a steady stream of contradictory accounts coming out of this from official sources. This in itself is highly suspicious.

Rather than trying so hard to bombast every comment that is made here, could I politely suggest that you cool off a little if only to use a open, honest, and neutral mind like the rest of us are attempting? Is this too much to ask? Or is this your job or something?








[edit on 24-4-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Okay so from reading this over the past few days I think we have come to the common consensus that people were shot after the plane crash. Now, why were these people shot? And who was on the plane? And were these people of any kind of significance? I understand some of these questions may have been answered but I am unaware. Thanks



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by imeddieone4202003
Great video that plainly states this wasnt some accident. Take the time to watch the entire video and you'll see this plane crash just doesnt add up. s+f


The wild speculative story given by this video doesn't add up AT ALL! Take the time to pay attention and you'll notice that the facts & evidence to support the claims in the video are nonexistant.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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