posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 11:30 PM
Let me see if i can break this down a little better:
Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
My point is that a perceived pattern is not always a real pattern. I didn't think I'd have to say that explicitly. Not everything has a
If someone percieves a pattern, then there is a pattern. Unless what they thought was a pattern represents bad data that was input, in which their
perception was completely rendered useless (schizophrenia, for example, or when it is pitch black rendering eyesight useless, or the field of vision
If a reasonably decent measurement is taken (as in, if it is seen with relative clarity), and a pattern is percieved, then there is a pattern.
What this pattern represents is another thing entirely. I leave that up to the individual to decide on a case by case basis.
I think the key word here is "percieved". Everybody knows, as far as humans are concerned, perception is reality. In your analogy, the dog that
looks like a cloud. No, it isn't a cloud. It LOOKS like a cloud. It has a pattern that appears to be that of a dog. Perception vs. reality. You
must recognize the difference between the two to participate in this conversation effectively.
The moth flies a logarithmic spiral. Go back to math class and learn why maintaining an angle leads to a logarithmic spiral.
Owing to the structure of their compound eyes, insects such as moths follow an equiangular spiral when drawn towards a candle flame. Peregrine
falcons, which have eyes on either side of their heads, follow a similar spiral path when flying at their prey.
This is the spiral for which the radius grows exponentially with the angle. The logarithmic relation between radius and angle leads to the name of
logarithmic spiral or logistique (in French).
The distances where a radius from the origin meets the curve are in geometric progression.
The curve was the favorite of Jakob (I) Bernoulli (1654-1705). On his request his tombstone, in the Munster church in Basel, was decorated with a
logarithmic spiral. The curve, which looks by the way more like an Archimedes' spiral, has the following Latin text accompanied: eadem mutata
resurgo. In a free translation: 'although changed, still remaining the same'. This refers to the various operations for which the curve remains
intact (see below).
Therefore the curve is also called the Bernoulli spiral.
However, Rene Descartes (1638) was the first to study the curve. Torricelli worked on the curve independently, and found the curve's length The
curve is also named to Fibonacci as the Fibonacci spiral.
I will be damned if you haven't split that hair about 6 different ways. But thank you for labelling it a "logarithmic spiral", which is the same
thing as a "Fibonacci spiral". I appreciate the acknowledgement that i was right....but next time just come out and admit it openly. Cloak and
dagger is too easy to miss for the casual reader.
Your statements don't come off too friendly either.
My first post in this thread to you was polite and concise. In return i get sarcasm and ridicule. I do not believe i need to say anything further on
But back to your original claim:
And, if we detect a pattern, then one obviously exists.
That is clearly a universal that is not true.
[edit on 24-4-2010 by stereologist]
Then we agree to disagree.
While it seems that you do not understand what i am saying, it also seems that you do not wish to understand it.
[edit on 24-4-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]