Ancient Aliens: The Series! On The History Channel. ATSers' Discussion.

reply to post by JScytale


I think you are mistaking my interest in theoretical areas of physics as being a mathematical idiot....

Black holes were a theory for a long time before one was found and proven.

[edit on 22/4/2010 by Chamberf=6]

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by JScytale

 

Just wondering then, do you think all the theoretical physicists and string theory people are just wasting their time?

BTW sorry, I will try to stay more on topic of OP in the future.

Absolutely not. You just have to bear in mind that when it comes to quantum physics, there is a WHOLE lot of guessing and VERY little fact - and NONE of the facts make sense. We can explain the universe at our scale and the galactic scale extremely accurately and make accurate predictions, but the moment we look at individual particles, nothing behaves logically and no model fits. Its the combination of being both a brand new field and a VERY strange subject.

reply to post by JScytale


I agree it IS strange, but it's also very exciting I think.

Oh well, off to bed and tomorrow back on topic

reply to post by Chamberf=6


well its nice to have someone listen and not come out screaming OMG SCIENCE IS DUMB ALL THE SCIENTISTS ARE LIEING AND / OR STUPIDER THAN ME!

that gets really old, really fast

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Yeah and mainstream science thinks you cannot possibly go faster than the speed of light.

It's absurd. In every way possible.

Like they would even know.

i remember recently watching some physicist stating no discovery has been made that proves time travel is not possible. i'll reserve that discussion for another time, though. but, a possible variable. our future in our past?

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Yeah and mainstream science thinks you cannot possibly go faster than the speed of light.

It's absurd. In every way possible.

Like they would even know.

i remember recently watching some physicist stating no discovery has been made that proves time travel is not possible. i'll reserve that discussion for another time, though. but, a possible variable. our future in our past?

i suppose it depends on what scale he was referring to.
no one has proven or disproven time travel, but time travel for an object (such as a person) is extraordinarily unlikely to be realistic - while time travel for individual atomic particles is not only possible, its likely.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


i think most science fact was preceded by science fiction. A start of a thought "What if".

Newton didn't become famous for noticing an apple fall.
He became famous for asking "why doesn't the moon fall like the apple?"

reply to post by JScytale


i like your signature.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


technically it is falling!

all orbit REALLY is is moving forward just fast enough to fall "away" from the curved surface of the earth / sun / object the same distance you fall towards it.

orbit is just falling forever while moving fast enough that you keep missing the ground, heheheheh.

its much easier to explain visually:

csep10.phys.utk.edu...
(diagram)
spaceplace.nasa.gov...
(interactive)
my.execpc.com...
(explanation)

[edit on 22-4-2010 by JScytale]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by JScytale

 

i like your signature.

i like it too, and try to always hold it to heart.

while it may seem i have a tendency to spout facts, i welcome contradictory evidence. i know nothing with certainty, but i can assume a great many things with confidence because they are both logical and experimentally validated.

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Yeah and mainstream science thinks you cannot possibly go faster than the speed of light.

It's absurd. In every way possible.

Like they would even know.

...yes, they would.
it's an assertion based on only, oh, 400 years of experimental confirmation and theory preformed by the most intelligent minds on the planet, who dedicated their entire lives to understanding the universe in as much depth as possible.

it is completely impossible for any form of matter or energy to surpass the speed of light in a single inertial frame for various reasons: one, the closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time passes in your frame of reference relative to outside frames, until at c it stops completely. two, for matter to reach the speed of light, it requires *infinite* energy. aka, as likely as a perpetual motion machine - impossible. three, the closer you get to the speed of light, the smaller distances become in your direction. this can be interpreted as you becoming infinitely long or the universe becoming infinitely flat. and no, it doesn't lead to getting from A to B any faster - don't forget your time is slowing down to zero.

it is very well understood that for an object with mass to reach the speed of light is essentially impossible, but it can approach it with TREMENDOUS amounts of energy used. More energy than contained in a star.

however, bear in mind that one does not need to exceed c to get from point A to point B faster than light can. the universe is not "flat" in a three dimensional sense. A straight line is never the shortest distance between two points - zero is.

You are correct right now that we can't reach that point because of the physics that is involved and it's true that you can go from A to B via folding space. Also dealing with quantum mechanics, what about gravity. Is it a wave or a particle or a somewhere in between, that must be going faster than light on the quantum level. Also there as been demonstrated more than once a thing called quantum entanglement, which is able to make two particles change at the same time across distances that shows it had to be communicating as we know it faster than light. Also the new series is phenomenal. I thought they would rehash same stuff I've seen before, they didn't. In fact they actually did real and new interviews and also showed new data about the pyramids that I didn't know (the one guy saying that massive circular saws may have been used to cut the blocks). Also other theories about what could have moved those blocks and tools much better than copper chisels and stone to cut the chunks of granite (what also was funny is that on Puma Punku the blocks that had engraved designs inside the block at different levels, the expert on stone said that is almost impossible to do with the simple tools the are supposed to have used). They actually showed new things and explanations, and making it 2 hours concentrated on a few of the topics really show that they are going all the way in trying to show us and others that standing logic on how the pyramids where made may be wrong and that those "birds" weren't birds but actually something they saw, which was aircraft.

Also the Vermanas and other craft who seem to use wheels within wheels, has to do with mass reductions I believe it and I saw it. If you want to study it, think about this (Nazi Bell experiments, TR-3B, experiment I saw on access television and Von Braun and his shock). All this has to do with rotation rotation rotation. Angular momentum reduces mass and I believe it, do research. Over 20 years ago I saw a man with a metal pipe going through the center of a wheel which he spins reduce the weight of the pipe. He demonstrated it by weighing the pipe while the wheel was spinning and when it stopped. Then I found out about these other things and then some and they have one thing in common rotational physics of some type which reduces mass. You can say I'm full of it, but how come that over the span of decades this technical aspect is always present and with it a type of weightlessness and/or anti-gravity is performed. As I said before do your own research and wonder this, why aren't they investigating (they are but in private, they know) this phenomenon.

Oh by the way Ancient Aliens: Chariots, Gods & Beyond was the pilot episode that was shown on the same night of the first episode of the series called The Evidence, The Visitors is the second episode of the 5 which will be seen next tuesday.

en.wikipedia.org...

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I'm looking forward to #3 in the series as I think they have pretty well used up much of the previously released tv material. Hoping they will reference Lloyd Pye, Drunvalo or Nassim Haramein. Great conversation starters. Just thinking that it must have taken at least a year's preparation to release this series. So the concept has been brewing, in a manner of speaking.

Re your hopefulness about the con chicks of ATS, it may bring greater viewership, but I think the sex-appeal cheapens the effort. Watch me get censured for saying it.

Originally posted by hoghead cheese

You are correct right now that we can't reach that point because of the physics that is involved and it's true that you can go from A to B via folding space. Also dealing with quantum mechanics, what about gravity. Is it a wave or a particle or a somewhere in between, that must be going faster than light on the quantum level. Also there as been demonstrated more than once a thing called quantum entanglement, which is able to make two particles change at the same time across distances that shows it had to be communicating as we know it faster than light.

I used to believe both of these specific examples as well

I even brought them up in a discussion with an old physics prof. That's the day I learned that gravity is not instantaneous - a change in an objects mass produces a gravity wave, not an immediate alteration of its well. I also learned that the famous quantum entanglement conundrum was in fact a thought experiment and was never actually carried out - and even if true, you could not transmit information between the two particles because it is impossible to determine which direction the particle is spinning after altering it - you can change a clockwise spin and it will still spin clockwise, then change it again and it will switch to counterclockwise under the same stimulus.

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[edit on 23-4-2010 by Truespirit82]

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by polarwarrior

 

Here is a link to the History Channel's page on the series:

Ancient Aliens

You cannot watch it there, there is a link to buy it on itunes but this is only for people in the U.S. If your in any other country in the world it cant be seen.

Its not just for me, Ive probably heard of most things in the series, the first one didnt have anything new....but for everyone else like I stated in my first post. If youve got a tv tuner on your computer its really easy, well im not sure how itd work over there but poeple seem to do it all the time, ive searched all over utube and other video sites and torrent but I can only find the old one.

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by hoghead cheese

You are correct right now that we can't reach that point because of the physics that is involved and it's true that you can go from A to B via folding space. Also dealing with quantum mechanics, what about gravity. Is it a wave or a particle or a somewhere in between, that must be going faster than light on the quantum level. Also there as been demonstrated more than once a thing called quantum entanglement, which is able to make two particles change at the same time across distances that shows it had to be communicating as we know it faster than light.

I used to believe both of these specific examples as well

I even brought them up in a discussion with an old physics prof. That's the day I learned that gravity is not instantaneous - a change in an objects mass produces a gravity wave, not an immediate alteration of its well. I also learned that the famous quantum entanglement conundrum was in fact a thought experiment and was never actually carried out - and even if true, you could not transmit information between the two particles because it is impossible to determine which direction the particle is spinning after altering it - you can change a clockwise spin and it will still spin clockwise, then change it again and it will switch to counterclockwise under the same stimulus.

Actually it has been done, "Until recently, physicists had only been able to demonstrate quantum entanglement through highly esoteric examples, such as entangling the spins of electrons in atoms. But the NIST group was able to entangle the mechanical motion of two sets of vibrating ions. “This experiment demonstrates entanglement in a system that everybody can relate to: Mechanical oscillators,” says John Jost, a graduate student at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who worked on the team of researchers. “Mechanical oscillators pervade our everyday life, from vibrating violin strings to the pendulum on a grandfather clock.”

www.popsci.com...

Also you are correct about gravity, it's not instantaneous, cheers to you.

Anybody familiar with the ancient astronaut theory, which has over the years grown to be called the ancient alien theory as well, has more than likely heard of Erich Von Daniken and his work on the subject, as well as the ridicule he has recieved, but he's been at it for awhile. And he sparked interest in a number of other fields of research and specialists as well. This is not a phenomenon being looked at by general public observers as a nice hobby, but rather a topic being tackled from various specilized fields of study over a broad specrtum transcending individualistic beliefs.
In other words, intelligent people are showing they have an interest in this, interests they may have a foundation for believing in.

Feel free to research and contribute your take on Von Daniken's work. There is so much on him out there a list of links would be a waste of space here.
But, here is a link to the Ancient Astronaut Society's website, a good place to start some research if you are interested:
ancientastronautsociety.com...

Hence, The first episode:
The Evidence

Here is a list of the individuals who took part in the development of the first episode, beyond Erich Von Danken, and provided interviews that aired in the show. Most of them are supporters, or speciealists who entertain the possibility. But, of course the show offers critics and skeptics perceptions as well.

Here is a list of the interviewees, and their credentials. I'll provide some of their quotes, and more information on their credentials later. after i do some more research. I'm going to start with the first name on the list, if anyone else wants to research anyone else on the list, and provide a brief bio, and sny possibly relevent quotes and info on them.

1) Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
publisher, Legendary Times Magazine
www.legendarytimes.com...
www.legendarytimes.com... nc=show&id=3
www.legendarytimes.com...

Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is the star of ANCIENT ALIENS - THE SERIES (2010) and publisher of Legendary Times Magazine, the only Ancient Astronaut publication in the world. Giorgio is the real-life Indiana Jones and he is changing the way the world thinks about the Ancient Astronaut Theory.

For over 12 years, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos has been the Director of Erich von Daniken's Center for Ancient Astronaut Research (A.A.S. R.A. - Archaeology, Astronautics and SETI Research Association). He is also the publisher of Legendary Times Magazine, the world's only and definitive Ancient Astronaut research journal.

As the world's leading Ancient Astronaut expert, Giorgio has starred in and appeared on The History Channel, the Travel Channel, the National Geographic Channel, the Sci-Fi Channel, Coast to Coast AM, and many other international television and radio programs such as UFO HUNTERS and ANCIENT ALIENS reporting about the latest discoveries in the Ancient Astronaut field.

In 2009, Tsoukalos starred in and was the Consulting Producer for The History Channel's very successful 2-hour documentary ANCIENT ALIENS which was produced by Prometheus Entertainment. ANCIENT ALIENS is the best and most compelling Ancient Astronaut documentary ever made next to when CHARIOTS OF THE GODS came out as a movie in 1972. ANCIENT ALIENS features the world's top Ancient Astronaut experts such as Erich von Daniken, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, David H. Childress, Michael A. Cremo, Jason Martell, Dr. Luis E. Navia, Barry Downing and many others.

Tsoukalos has traveled the world extensively (54 countries ...and counting). Today, he is one of a few people who have actually visited and explored nearly all the mysterious places our planet has to offer.

2) Sister Ilia Delio, OSF
Proffesor of spiritual studies
Washington Theological Union

3)George Noory
Radio Host, Coast to Coast AM
www.coasttocoastam.com...

“I’ve wanted to cover stories that the mainstream media never touch—the unusual, the paranormal and things like that. I learned that broadcast was the best business for exploring these issues, and I’ve been doing it for 33 years.”

4) Javier Grillo-Marxuach
Science Fiction Writer/producer

5) Dr. Uwe Apel
Aerospace Engineer

6) Dr. Algund Eenboom
Co-Author " Aircraft of the Pharoahs "

7) Phillip Coppens
Author / Investigative Journalist

8) Graham Hancock
Author " Fingerprints of the Gods "

" We are species with amnesia "

www.grahamhancock.com...

9) Bill Birnes, PhD.
Author / UFO Investigator
www.ufomag.com...

Well guys, i'm going to take a break here.
I'll continue later.

Thanks,
john

Originally posted by hoghead cheese

Actually it has been done, "Until recently, physicists had only been able to demonstrate quantum entanglement through highly esoteric examples, such as entangling the spins of electrons in atoms. But the NIST group was able to entangle the mechanical motion of two sets of vibrating ions. “This experiment demonstrates entanglement in a system that everybody can relate to: Mechanical oscillators,” says John Jost, a graduate student at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who worked on the team of researchers. “Mechanical oscillators pervade our everyday life, from vibrating violin strings to the pendulum on a grandfather clock.”

www.popsci.com...

Also you are correct about gravity, it's not instantaneous, cheers to you.

thanks! learn something new every day. i'll be doing some reading, don't mind me .

Originally posted by JScytale
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

technically it is falling!

Oh, yes i know. My point is that figuring that out, aksing the questions, is what we give Newton credit for. He asled about the moon, and followed up on his own imagination, and senses, and applied science fiction to determine science facts.

I honestly don't have time to watch these shows. I wish I did.

I looked at the site and saw the Easter Islands myth is included.

In the early 1970's a group of the locals demonstrated how it was done. They moved one of the statues from the quarry to a new location and stood it up in one day. Why do people think ancient people were dumb?

They used the fulcrum and lever, which was probably invented by the first Cavemen truth be known, to place poles under the statue on its side. Then they rolled it by taking the pole from the back and laying it under the front until they got it to the new location.

Then they used a pole and a rock (fulcrum and lever) to lift one end a few inches and shoved rocks and dirt under it. They kept doing that until it was upright and then cleaned out the dirt and rocks.

That video is still out there somewhere and yet these dishonest shows still cite those statues. Are they that bad at there jobs or do they know these things and don't care as long as people watch and give them ratings. The dumbing down is nearing completion.

Sorry, that has bothered me every since I saw the video of the locals teaching the dumb visitors their simple secret. If you watch your under five children, you will see them using the same methods in trial and error. So why can't people with degrees figure it out?