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Originally posted by brimstone735
reply to post by nenothtu
Or I could also read the site everyday and understand that the posters in question have written far, far worse and the ADL researcher was too lazy to use the search function.
Let's cut the crap. The posters are not babes in the woods, woefully misunderstood by a cruel, hard world. They actually believe these things, they just don't like their beliefs advertised, and now the site has to wade through the mud defending their right to generalize and hyperventilate.
Originally posted by brimstone735
reply to post by burntheships
Yes, my record does speak for itself. I've been around long enough to remember when Stormfront used to try and infilitrate the forums and they were run out on a rail.
Now we share members.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by Lurch
This site is being used as a soapbox and meeting place for "Tea Party" members, supporters and sympathisers. This demographic far outnumbers any other on ATS right now, having infiltrated the site at an ever-increasing rate for approximately 2 years now. This trend shows no sign in stopping, in fact it seems to be getting worse.
And again I say, this is MAINSTREAM DISSENT against the central government, which is not only increasing on ATS but on websites and in forums all across the Internet.
I disagree that ATS is turning into "Tea Party Headquarters" any more than the Internet itself is turning into "Tea Party Headquarters"... Mainstream dissent IS what it IS, and it's appearing with increasing frequency in all outlets of Free Speech.
To DENY the discussion of unpopular topics (as perceived by the Liberal minority) is to SURRENDER our right to Free Speech because it makes the Liberal minority a bit queazy and nervous about their tenuous and unpopular agenda.
— Doc Velocity
Originally posted by Lurch
Originally posted by brimstone735
reply to post by burntheships
Yes, my record does speak for itself. I've been around long enough to remember when Stormfront used to try and infilitrate the forums and they were run out on a rail.
Now we share members.
Exactly right.
This website has now been infected by bible-thumping, "tea-bagging" trailer trash who use this site as a soapbox to make their racist comments and threats against the people of the United States and its government.
And people are surprised that this brings up red flags amongst certain agencies?
To be honest, I blame the mods and admin for allowing this to go unchecked for so long. Presumably because they are more interested in quantity of users (for financial reasons) than quality of content.
Originally posted by Chevalerous
I don't know what is worse in this thread.
The awful deception and propagada by the ADL which definitely is out of control.
Or...the delusional American propaganda that America won the war in Europe single-handedly after entering late in the European war.
Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by Chevalerous
I don't know what is worse in this thread.
The awful deception and propagada by the ADL which definitely is out of control.
Or...the delusional American propaganda that America won the war in Europe single-handedly after entering late in the European war.
What does this have to do with the topic? Am I in a WW2 thread? If so my last post is not going to make much sense?
[edit on 23-4-2010 by Subjective Truth]
Originally posted by Lurch
Extremist muslims are allowed to post comments making threats against the United States government on their islamo-fascist websites. Yet people on here would scream bloody murder if these people were not monitored and checked out by certain agencies.
You see the hypocrisy?
Originally posted by Lurch
The "Tea Party" are certainly not a mainstream group. They're a lunatic fringe who have gained a small amount of exposure in recent times in certain right-wing media because the Republicans lost the last election.
Those of a "Tea Party" persuasion are vastly outnumbered by the majority of peaceful American citizens.
Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by Lurch
Originally posted by brimstone735
reply to post by burntheships
Yes, my record does speak for itself. I've been around long enough to remember when Stormfront used to try and infilitrate the forums and they were run out on a rail.
Now we share members.
Exactly right.
This website has now been infected by bible-thumping, "tea-bagging" trailer trash who use this site as a soapbox to make their racist comments and threats against the people of the United States and its government.
And people are surprised that this brings up red flags amongst certain agencies?
To be honest, I blame the mods and admin for allowing this to go unchecked for so long. Presumably because they are more interested in quantity of users (for financial reasons) than quality of content.
Are you serious The debates are not one sided and I have a pretty long FOE list to prove it. Just because you believe in certain things does not a radical make. You are painting yourself into corners and the very thing you hate is what you have become.
I read the posts everyday on ATS and I am also a poster I do not see the Mods letting violent or hateful speech stay posted they pull it when they see it. It is a big place and it can take a while for them to find it.
Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by Lurch
Originally posted by brimstone735
reply to post by burntheships
Yes, my record does speak for itself. I've been around long enough to remember when Stormfront used to try and infilitrate the forums and they were run out on a rail.
Now we share members.
Exactly right.
This website has now been infected by bible-thumping, "tea-bagging" trailer trash who use this site as a soapbox to make their racist comments and threats against the people of the United States and its government.
And people are surprised that this brings up red flags amongst certain agencies?
To be honest, I blame the mods and admin for allowing this to go unchecked for so long. Presumably because they are more interested in quantity of users (for financial reasons) than quality of content.
Are you serious The debates are not one sided and I have a pretty long FOE list to prove it. Just because you believe in certain things does not a radical make. You are painting yourself into corners and the very thing you hate is what you have become.
I read the posts everyday on ATS and I am also a poster I do not see the Mods letting violent or hateful speech stay posted they pull it when they see it. It is a big place and it can take a while for them to find it.
Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by Chevalerous
I don't know what is worse in this thread.
The awful deception and propagada by the ADL which definitely is out of control.
Or...the delusional American propaganda that America won the war in Europe single-handedly after entering late in the European war.
What does this have to do with the topic? Am I in a WW2 thread? If so my last post is not going to make much sense?
This topic is very important and we should stay on it and not be distracted away from it.
[edit on 23-4-2010 by Subjective Truth]
[edit on 23-4-2010 by Subjective Truth]
Originally posted by Lurch
I have seen many posts on this site calling for violence and revolution - in fact these type of posts are made daily on this site. People on here want to slaughter their fellow citizens in an act of treason and civil war.
This is not acceptable.
If I were to link you to an Islamo-fascist messageboard whose members were calling for violence against the US Government, I'm sure your tune would change.
The type of comments made on this site by "Tea Party" people are no different and should be treated as just as much of a threat by the relevant authorities.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by Lurch
Extremist muslims are allowed to post comments making threats against the United States government on their islamo-fascist websites. Yet people on here would scream bloody murder if these people were not monitored and checked out by certain agencies.
You see the hypocrisy?
No, I don't see it.
The Internet is a Global network, and all sorts of speech is likely to appear therein. Extremist Muslim bomb-throwers are not, for the most part, American citizens whose Free Speech is explicitly protected under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
It's not our job, as Americans, to extend Free Speech rights to other nations, particularly those nations that harbor anti-American bomb-throwers. So, hell yes, let's monitor the radical Muslim terrorists to the Nth Degree.
I, however, AM an American citizen, and my right to speak freely WILL NOT BE INFRINGED by any administration or Congress on American soil. Sorry, it's just not going to happen under the Constitution.
How many of the "violence inciting" quotes that were cited in the ADL's "report" came from purely radical Muslim sources? Has anyone checked that out? Were there ANY expressly anti-American websites cited?
Or were they all forums devoted to the discussion of Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness?
My point is, the ADL "report" seems to have targeted Americans who were speaking freely, as protected under the Constitution, rather than bomb-throwing radicals in other countries, whose speech is NOT protected under our Constitution.
— Doc Velocity