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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 01:13 PM by superculture
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reply to post by GriBiT
Although its just an assumtion, the most reasonable explanation, to me, is that years in these early times were calculated as lunar month cycles. I
noticed someone else had this posted theory as well. When you do the math, it brings people's ages into a spectrum more in tune with what modern
biology and recorded history has observed. Though I'm not well-versed on the bible, it seems that long periods of time have been lost as the stories
within it had been passed orally through most of human history, and it is only the last 2400-2800 years, give or take, that have been able to retain
most of the information as originally intended. As I understand, the bible suposses that mentally-modern humans are about 6000 years old. With a
different understanding of how time was percieved to elapse in the bible, maybe we could have a bible that coresponds better with historical record.
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 08:51 PM by lostinspace
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Here’s a list of the ultra-supercentenarians in Genesis.
The second column is the age they are when they have their significant son. The line of sons go down the list. I’ve change the years to lunar months
in that second column. The third column is the actual solar age of the individual when they had the significant child. As you can see there are at
least three individuals that could not have children at that young age.
Genesis 5: 3-32
Adam: 130 lunar months, 11.8 solar years, 930 death age
Seth: 105 lunar months, 8.75 solar years, 912 death age
Enos: 90 lunar months, 7.5 solar years, 905 death age
Cainan: 70 lunar months, 5.8 solar years, 910 death age
Mahalaleel: 65 lunar months, 5.41 solar years, 895 death age
Jared: 162 lunar months, 13.5 solar years, 962 death age
Enoch: 65 lunar months, 5.41 solar years, 365 disappeared age
Methuselah: 187 lunar months, 15.58 solar years, 969 death age
Lamech: 182 lunar months, 15.16 solar years, 777 death age
Noah: 500 lunar months, 41.67 solar years, 950 death age
Genesis 5
Ten years of age is the earliest age for a boy to start puberty. However reproduction is not possible till age 13.
Potential fertility is reached at about 13 years old in boys, but full fertility will not be gained until 14–16 years of age, although some go
through the process faster, reaching it only 1 year later.”
Puberty
Supercentenarian
The lunar month calculation does not fit in with the age data in Genesis.
Current biology does not necessarily have to be a constant in this matter. The Genesis account did say the atmosphere changed which would impact
biological systems. Remember the world wasn’t always flat.
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 09:42 PM by IGottaBeMe
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Given the choice between the "Tree of Life" and the "Tree of Knowledge" kick started the downward trend toward the truncated life span; given the
"knowledge of good and evil", we've definitely gained both and they have put us on the brink of oblivion. ?$?
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 10:28 PM by JBA2848
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en.wikipedia.org...
Ruler Epithet Length of reign Approx. dates Comments
Predynastic kings 30th century BCE or earlier
"After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years."
Alulim 8 sars (28,800 years)
Alalngar 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira."
En-men-lu-ana 12 sars (43,200 years)
En-men-gal-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
Dumuzid, the Shepherd "the shepherd" 10 sars (36,000 years)
"Then Bad-tibira fell and the kingship was taken to Larag."
En-sipad-zid-ana 8 sars (28,800 years)
"Then Larag fell and the kingship was taken to Zimbir."
En-men-dur-ana 5 sars and 5 ners (21,000 years)
"Then Zimbir fell and the kingship was taken to Shuruppag."
Ubara-Tutu 5 sars and 1 ner (18,600 years)
"Then the flood swept over."
Excavations in Iraq have revealed evidence of localized flooding at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara, Iraq) and various other Sumerian cities. A layer of
riverine sediments, radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BCE, interrupts the continuity of settlement, extending as far north as the city of Kish. Polychrome
pottery from the Jemdet Nasr period (3000-2900 BCE) was discovered immediately below the Shuruppak flood stratum.[9]
So I guess this would prove these kings lived for 43000 years 28000 years. And on the wep page linked you can see where at certain timed the numbers
half themselfs til there down to reasonable spans compared to today.
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 10:36 PM by Wherestheproof
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In hindu scriptures as well people lived up to 100,000 years in the golden age and then 10,000, 1,000 and now 100.
Curious as to how all the old scriptures detail the same thing...
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 10:52 PM by zerbot565
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not so much when you consider that the bible is more a "homage" to ancient wisdoms then a book of its own original caliber.
well ok, it is a book of its own caliber in the sence that they´ve made a "readers digest" of it all and leaving out all the relavant passages
from the borrowed parts.
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 11:45 PM by JBA2848
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www.wordsight.org...
3000 B.C.
Seth died at the age of 912. (2962 B.C.)
Seth's great-great-great-great-great-great grandchild, Noah, son of Lamech was born. Noah lived 905 years and fathered three sons.
2900 B.C.
Enos died at the age of 905. (2864B.C.)
With intermarriage now common, the Cainites held pervasive influence over the godly descendants of Seth. High moral, social and religious principles
were fast becoming extinct.
Violence, debauchery and immorality now characterized almost the entirety of human society. Gen. 6:11
2800 B.C.
Noah talked with Cainan 179 years, Mahalaleel 243 years, Jared 366 years and with Lamech 595 years.
Cainan died at the age of 910. (2769 B.C.)
Mahalaleel died in 2714 B.C. at the age of 895.
2700 B.C.
Wickedness continued to increase. The great ages of the people allowed for an unparalleled pool of united experience, appetite and imagination applied
to any given pursuit.
2600 B.C.
Jared died at the age of 962. (2582 B.C.)
Society essentially became corrupt. Only a few godly people remained.
2500 B.C.
Noah's sons were born. Shem the elder son carried on Seth's godly line. Shem lived 600 years and fathered five sons. Shem was 98 at the time of the
flood. Gen. 10:21 Japheth, the middle son, fathered seven sons. And Ham, the younger son, fathered four sons. Gen. 9:24
Noah was called to build the ark and warn of the coming flood. (Circa. 2466 B.C.) Gen. 6
Noah began 120 years of prophesying about the coming flood. God asked him to conduct this warning for humanity.
2400 B.C.
Lamech died five years before the flood at the age of 777. (2353 B.C.)
Methuselah died shortly before the flood at the age of 969. (2348 B.C.)
The ark was completed. (Circa. 2348 B.C.) Gen. 7
The 120 years of warning came to an end. Gen. 7
The flood deluged the earth. (2348 B.C.) Gen. 7 (Noah and his family were in the ark one year and ten days. They entered in 2348 B.C. and exited in
2347 B.C.) The Deluge: Different Dates Assigned: Usher and English Bible, 2348 B.C.; Hebrew Bible, 2288 B.C.; Playfair Bible, 2352 B.C.; Clinton
Bible, 2482 B.C.; Samaritan Pent, 2998 B.C.; Josephus, 3146 B.C.; Dr. Hales, 3155 B.C.; Septuagint, 3246 B.C.
Meat, grain and vegetables were given to humanity as food items. Gen 9:2-4
Murder was forbidden. Gen 9:5
Death penalty for murder, by either animals or humans, instated. Gen. 9:5-6
The rainbow covenant was instated. God covenanted with humanity and the animal kingdom to never again destroy the earth by flood. The first rainbow
was seen. Gen. 8:21-22 and Gen. 9:8-17
Noah's three sons, Shem, Japheth and Ham began to repopulate the earth.
Shem had four of his five sons: Arphaxad, who lived 438 years and carried on Seth's godly family line, then Elam, then Asshur "Builder of Nineveh"
and finally Lud. Gen. 10:11
Japheth had three of his seven sons: Comer, Magog and Madai. (No dates or years are given for Japheth's descendants.)
Ham had four sons: Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. (No dates or years are given for Ham's descendants.)
Shem's first grandchild, Salah, son of Arphaxad was born. Salah lived 433 years, and carried on Seth's godly posterity. He fathered a number of sons
and daughters.
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www.touregypt.net... Kingdom
Early Dynastic Period
1st Dynasty (2920 - 2770 BC)
2nd Dynasty (2770 - 2650 BC)
en.wikipedia.org...(Pharaoh)
Den, the 4th King of Egypt's 1st Dynasty
Length of reign
According to a study of the Palermo Stone, Den had a reign of at least "32 complete or partial years."[6] He appears to have ascended the throne as
a child, and the reign of his mother Merneith (possibly as pharaoh) was likely a regency until he was of age.[7] He lived long enough to have enjoyed
a second Sed festival, suggesting a reign of at least 33 or 34 years.[8] Consequently his reign is the best attested from the period,[9] and
activities of his reign are preserved in register L of Cairo Fragment 5 while his later years are recorded on register III of the Palermo
Stone.[10]
Remember Egyptians ruled for life once in power so his reign would cover his life from small child when he took the reign.
So it seems the Egyptians had a normal life span compared to that of the people in the bible. So saying there was magical powers in the earth befor
the flood that made people live longer just doesn't cut it. At least not for me.
egyptsites.wordpress.com...
Unas (Wenis) reigned at the end of Dynasty V, for a period of up to 30 years. His pyramid at Saqqara, although the smallest of the Old Kingdom
pyramids, reflects his long reign in the intricately carved hieroglyphic decoration of the inner chambers – the earliest known example of the
‘Pyramid Texts’. Before his time (with the exception of Djoser’s monuments) all of the known pyramids had been undecorated..
And so thats the reign during Noahs flood.
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reply posted on 11-9-2009 @ 11:46 PM by tatersalad
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its pretty obvious there used to be 2 moons whcih if you know keplars law it slowed the earth down
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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 12:57 AM by JBA2848
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en.wikipedia.org...
Age 5
1939: Lina Medina of Paurange, Peru gave birth to a 2.7 kg (6.0 lb) son, named Gerardo, by caesarean section on May 14, 1939 in Lima at the age of 5
years, 7 months, and 21 days. Her parents, who assumed their daughter had a tumor, took her to a hospital, where she was determined to be seven months
pregnant. Although Medina's father was arrested on suspicion of child sexual abuse, he was later released due to lack of evidence, and the identity
of who impregnated Medina was never uncovered.[1]
[edit] Age 8
2006: A girl from Hunuco, Peru, gave birth to a baby weighing 2 kg (4.4 lb) by caesarean section at a hospital in Lima in December 2006. Her ninth
birthday occurred a couple of days later. She became pregnant after being raped by two of her cousins. [2][3]
[edit] Age 9
1957: Hilda Trujillo gave birth to a girl weighing over 6 lb (2.7 kg) at a hospital in Lima, Peru in December 1957. Her 22-year-old cousin, who was
staying in her family's one-room house at the time, was arrested for rape.[4]
2001: Wanwisa Janmuk gave birth in February 2001 to a girl at a hospital in Phetchabun, a northern province of Thailand. The father was her
27-year-old husband; Thai law allows minors to marry with parental permission.[5]
2004: A Singaporean girl gave birth to a boy in 2004 after being impregnated by a fellow student at her school. Her mother initially thought she had a
urinary tract infection, but, upon taking her to the doctor, learned she was already six months pregnant. The baby was given up for adoption. [6]
2005: A girl gave birth to a baby boy by caesarean section at a hospital in Butare, Rwanda, in December 2005. The child, who underwent breast
development at age six and menarche at age eight, became pregnant after being raped by her family's domestic servant.[7]
2006: A girl of the Apurinã, an indigenous people from the Amazon Rainforest in Brazil, gave birth to a baby girl weighing 2.2 kg (4.8 lb) by
caesarean section at a hospital in Manaus in July 2006. Police are investigating the case.[8][9]
[edit] Age 10
1834: Sally Deweese of Butler County, Kentucky, was reported by Dr. D. Rowlett to have delivered a baby girl weighing 7.75 pounds (3.52 kg) on April
20, 1834. Deweese allegedly developed breasts within weeks of birth and began menstruating at 12 months. [10]
1979: A girl aged 10 gave birth to twins six weeks premature, both weighing 3lb 6 oz, at a hospital in Indianapolis. She is thought to have been the
youngest mother of twins at the time.[11]
2000: A girl from Bolivia gave birth to a baby girl weighing 2.5 kilograms (5.5 lb) by caesarean section at a hospital in Parque Patricios, Buenos
Aires, Argentina on September 25, 2007. A 28-year-old was arrested on a charge of rape.[12][13]
2005: A girl from Calama, Chile, gave birth to a baby boy by caesarean section at a hospital in Antofagasta, Chile on April 13, 2005. The child became
pregnant after having been raped by her father at age nine. Her parents, who both came from Bolivia, were jailed. [14][15] [16]
2005: A girl gave birth to a baby girl at a hospital in Sion, Switzerland in August 2005. She had immigrated to Switzerland from Cameroon with her
siblings when her mother married a Swiss citizen. A 68-year-old man who was in a relationship with the mother admitted to having molested the girl but
a DNA test found that he was not the father of the girl's child.[17][18][19]
2006: A girl in Abbeville, South Carolina gave birth by caesarean section in 2006 after having been raped by then-26-year-old William Edward Ronca.
Ronca admitted to having molested the girl over a two year period and was sentenced to 25 years in prison as a result. The baby was given for
adoption. [20]
2006: A girl from Charleroi, Belgium gave birth in 2006. After the child began gaining weight, her mother put her on a diet, but when the girl visited
a doctor, it was discovered that she was nine months pregnant. The father was a then-13-year-old boy who attended the same school as the girl. News of
the birth did not become publicly known until 2007.[21]
2006: A girl from Jaral del Progreso, Guanajuato, Mexico gave birth naturally to a baby girl weighing 2.3 kilograms (5.1 lb) on April 3, 2006. She
became pregnant after being raped by a 47-year-old neighbour, who was sentenced to 11 years, 6 months in prison for the crime.[22][23]
2007: A girl from San Lorenzo Cacaotepec, Oaxaca, Mexico gave birth to a baby boy on July 2, 2007. Her pregnancy was the result of a rape committed by
the 65-year-old landlord of the house which her parents rented. The man was jailed.[24][25][26][27]
2008: In St. Anthony, Idaho, U.S., a girl gave birth to a 6 pounds (2.7 kg) baby at Madison Memorial Hospital. 37-year-old Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez
was jailed on one felony count of rape.[28]
[edit] Age 11
1972: A girl gave birth at the age of 11 years, 10 months at Royal Buckinghamshire Hospital in Aylesbury, England. The father was the young girl's
stepbrother.[29]
2002: A girl from Bridgeport, Connecticut gave birth after being raped by a 75-year-old man, who was arrested on April 17, 2002.[30]
2004: A girl gave birth to a baby boy weighing 8.4 lb (3.8 kg) at a hospital in Kharkov, Ukraine in January 2004. The girl, who is currently the
youngest mother in Ukraine, is suspected to have been impregnated by a 26-year-old neighbour, who fled in the fear of facing prosecution.[31]
2005: Valentina gave birth to a boy in Moscow, Russia, after she was impregnated by her 14-year-old boyfriend.[32][unreliable source?]
2006: A girl of African origin gave birth to a baby boy at a hospital in West London, United Kingdom on May 5, 2006. A 37-year-old man was
arrested.[33]
2007: A girl from Valhalla Park, Cape Town, South Africa gave birth to a baby boy on July 12, 2007. An elderly security guard was arrested in
connection with rape. She agreed to give the baby up for adoption on the condition she could visit him once a month.[34]
2007: A girl from Lockland, Ohio, gave birth to a child on November 4, 2007. Her mother's boyfriend, Michael Chaffer, was sentenced to 28 years in
prison on charges of felonious assault and two counts of rape. The baby is under the care of relatives.[35]
Seems they can give birth earlier than 13 the youngest on record is 5 years old.
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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 01:34 AM by randyvs
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reply to post by GriBiTHI Grib
i can tell you exactly why Gribit. i do know that one. because when God created man he did not create him w/ the curse of death hanging over
his head. when God gives life it is eternal. that is why there was a tree of life in the garden of eden. the wages of sin is death. they disobeyed the
one who gave them life.they sinned against God. the curse of death fell upon them and contrary to what the serpent said, they DIED.
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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 01:07 PM by arbiture
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Because they judge dates differently then we do,or its just fiction.
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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 12:53 AM by STFUPPERCUTTER
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1 oe 2 or 3 things
1. they coudlnt accuratly tell time, and/or they could, but it translates poorly to the way we do.
2. there really is a direct lineage handed down from God with super powers and super genetics, but its slowly been watered down with regular humans
crappy genetics. and the super crap is starting to fail with each succesive generation a tiny bit more.
3. some people are still living that long, but you jsut arent aware of it.
if i realized i was outliving everyone i wouldnt go around telling people, would you?
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