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Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by skunknuts
Another excellent post. The facts are overwhelming, both against the ridiculous lies of the birthers and for the dramatic improvements we have seen since Obama took office.
Allow me to add one more bit of evidence: the auto industry. Yesterday I received an email from General Motors informing me that they had proudly paid back billions in loans to the government, five years ahead of schedule. Add to that the fact that my wife and I are looking to buy a particular Chevrolet vehicle and our local dealer has trouble keeping them on the lot. We have had a couple sold out from under us already and are now planning on ordering from the factory in order to get the kind we want!
Now, would any of that be possible if the economy were not in recovery? How can it be that the media are telling us things are good when in fact they are dire, if all evidence one can see is that things are not in fact dire?
I remember when Democrats were openly wishing failure on the last Republican administration. That was wrong. Now the Republicans are desperately doing the same thing. Still wrong.
Originally posted by Grumble
Originally posted by zarp3333
This is pure PROPAGANDA. The PTB are crapping their pants. Obama is cleaning house of the filthy crooks that were forced on him and now THEY ARE SPENDING MILLIONS on a propaganda campaign.
Don't believe the hype. Read between the lines. Obama is the first president to turn on Wall Street and the people are behind him.
Don't buy this crap. I'm a life long Republican and I see that Bush sold me out. I voted against Obama but something is fishy with the PR against him.
I never thought I would support him till I saw his enemies
Sir, you just spoke the truth that so many Americans have come to accept. We were fools to ever support the GOP in their modern incarnation (I will still call myself a Barry Goldwater Republican, but alas that party is gone).
It could not be more clear that this is a Carl Rove-style dirty tricks campaign. They did a pretty good job on Clinton but it was not quite good enough. But they learned, and now they have a much easier target.
To those of you who are "birthers" (I don't use that term in a derogatory way, but just to describe your group), just stop for a few minutes and consider what it is you have been asked to believe, over and over, despite it being proved wrong. Examine you conscience and see that your ideological bias against the president is causing you to rationalize spreading lies. We human beings derive pleasure from affiliation (literally, there is a dopamine reaction when a person affirms his membership in a group), but you have to carefully consider whom you are affiliating yourself with. Remember, you will be stained by their deeds.
[edit on 23-4-2010 by Grumble]
As much as i dislike Obama, i would like to point out that any american citizen (foreign born but holds legitimate citizenship) is able to take seat of 'the highest office in the land' after being a citizen for a certain amount of years, which is why arnold schwarzeneggar is eligible to run for presidency aswell (i believe he has been a citizen long enough anyway)
If Obama had lost his eligibility by moving to Indonesia, he would still be a natural born citizen if he was naturalized. He would simply be re-naturalized, but he still was born here if he was born here. So that cannot be why he is covering up his birth certificate...