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Richard dawkins vs william lane craig!

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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why oh why wont richard dawkins face william lane craig in a debate.

It is such a cop out to say he wont face anyone except a bishop or a clergy man.

MAN UP DAWKINS IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!


www.youtube.com...

Thats disrespectful and arrogant and a little fearful if you ask me.


www.youtube.com...




posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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Like some of us atheists on ATS, debating with creationists. ALWAYS turns out to be an exercise in futilty.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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nah its because he'd get owned LOL



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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It's because it's like arguing with an idiot...

Watch from about 1:20 if you don't want to watch all 2mins 43 secs.


Like he says, If you were a geographer, would you debate a flat-earther?




[edit on 21/4/10 by blupblup]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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come on. atheism and creationism go hand in hand

we all know its because hes probably looked him up on youtube and thinking....oh those are hard questions.......



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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Is there a really a need for another Vs. thread?

Other than that, whenever talking about "god" one should determinate what they mean by "god". Is it he/she/it/what?

Creationism is completely absurd, on the other hand: evolution does not disprove god.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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this isnt another vs thread i dont want to start a debate i just want to know why Richard dawkins is cowering behind his. "oh im to proud to debate against the worlds leading christian apologetics Dr"



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by the illuminator
come on. atheism and creationism go hand in hand




Well I don't think they do.
They're on a completely different spectrum from one another.


I see no point whatsoever...

See creationists look at it as a point-scoring thing, Ooooo If we can just word one question in such a way as to stump Dawkins, then that must prove there is a god... It's pathetic.

Dawkins is not the spokesperson for the Atheists man.... He's an ethologist, evolutionary biologist and author, He's just a guy.... a smart guy and a very strong willed guy but a guy all the same... he's not infallible.

You cannot rationally debate this topic.

And it's not Atheism versus Creationism.... It would have to be something like Evolutionism vs Creationism.

And that, as well as all religion vs atheism debates, are always pointless.... Circular logic and ridiculous arguing about the validity of scripture and blah blah.

When we die... we'll find out, until then.... who cares man?





[edit on 21/4/10 by blupblup]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Agreed. I've had a great many debates with Creationists, I don't want to do it anymore. And being a former creationist myself I know how that mindset works, no evidence logic or intelligence can sway those who bias themselves with religion and abide by blind faith.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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I think that blupblup said it pretty well. There's no need to, because they're on so different frequencies. The debate wouldn't go anywhere, Dawkins has his science and the other guy has his believes. Neither's gonna change. I don't think Richard here intentionally wants to insult anyone. He just finds the beliefs just so crazy. As do I.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Have you actually herd william lane craig speak? i have in person. he doesnt word his arguments to confuse. he words them perfectly clear. and if athiesm (and richard dawkins) sole being is to disprove creationism or religion then we should be aloud to voice our reasons for believing and try to debunk atheism.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by the illuminator
and if athiesm (and richard dawkins) sole being is to disprove creationism or religion




Atheism's purpose is not to disprove anything!!
Do you understand what Atheism is?


Dictionary: a·the·ism (ā'thē-ĭz'əm) pronunciation

n.

1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.



Atheists don't believe in god or gods... that's it.
There's no secret plan to destroy religion and the aim/purpose of Atheism is just to live your life... make friends, laugh, love and learn.... like anyone's life should be, whether they're a Theist or Atheist.

I think you need a little more education on the subject.







then we should be aloud to voice our reasons for believing and try to debunk atheism.



What?

What is there to debunk?
Atheism is not a belief... it's a non-belief.
Good luck debunking that.

I thought this was gonna be a relatively fun and decent thread but I should have known your motive and should have know what kind of stuff you would post...

Oh well.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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ive learned the hard way that it a pointless neither side will budge richard dawkins is by no means the spokesperson of athiesm any more than the pope is of christianity, but i am a fan of richard dawkins none the less



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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OK blubblub lol that was a bit uncalled for. but fair enough you have your views. yes it doesnt say atheism is trying to debunk religion. but richard dawkins is makeing a heck of alot of money out of the whole "God Delusion" so how can you say that hes not trying to Debunk religion?

Plus atheism does have things to debunk. you need more faith to be an Athiest than a Christian

but ok if this thread is over God Bless!

why dont we just say that we are all bigots?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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I don't know the other guy, but, if he has well reasoned arguments the answer is simple. Dawkins, like Maher with his movie, don't want a fair philosophical battle with someone who might honestly have a point. They want glitzy bullfights with them as the matador *bulls in bull fights never really have a chance though sometimes they get lucky*. People that they can point and laugh at later and convince themselves that person is generally what whatever group is like. Good propaganda for those inclined to listen to it in hopes of furthering their cause. That is why you will never see what you're asking for. If this guy you mentioned truly does his proverbial "crap" together.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by the illuminator
yes it doesnt say atheism is trying to debunk religion.



What.... the funny book.... the Dictionary you mean?
So until now, you didn't know the definition of Atheism... and yet you're trying to have a discussion on the very subject.... okaaaaaaayyy.




but richard dawkins is makeing a heck of alot of money out of the whole "God Delusion" so how can you say that hes not trying to Debunk religion?




Well had you have only mentioned Dawkins, I would have happily agreed that he has personally tried to "debunk" religion, but you said "the sole being of Atheism is to debunk religion" and I was merely pointing out that it wasn't and perhaps you should educate yourself on this fact before trying to discuss it.





Plus atheism does have things to debunk. you need more faith to be an Athiest than a Christian



Like what examples?
What in Atheism can be debunked.... you still don't quite have a grasp of what Atheism is do you?

And you need more faith to be an Atheist?
Now that sounds like a Creationists bumper sticker if ever I heard one.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:57 PM
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wow blub blub your really nice to talk to arent you


Im happy to keep talking but untill you stop being

pig headed
rude
obnoxious
and unpleasent.

im not going to listen to what you have to say.

i agree with some of your points and im sorry i didnt look up the meaning and paste it on to the thread. but i did know the meaning.

Good Day sir
thanks everone else for your pleasent responses



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by the illuminator

you need more faith to be an Athiest than a Christian



I am somewhat perplexed by that statement. I am in no way an atheist, but it appears they need little faith. They can simply say that there is no scientific proof that God exists therefore he doesn't exist. While religion is based on faith and not scientific verifiable fact.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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I apologise if you thought I was any of those things.
It's called sarcasm, Please don't take it as rudeness because it's really not.

We've had hundreds of these Atheism Vs Religion debates on here ya know... and it's pointless.
It's also frustrating that many don't even have a basic, fundamental grip on the key points of the argument.

Nothing In Atheism can be debunked, because there is nothing to debunk... it's pointless to go around the houses about it.

If you would like to address my points I'll happily carry on, If you're done then that's cool too... saves me repeating myself over and over.

Peace



[edit on 21/4/10 by blupblup]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by the illuminator
wow blub blub your really nice to talk to arent you


Im happy to keep talking but untill you stop being

pig headed
rude
obnoxious
and unpleasent.

im not going to listen to what you have to say.

i agree with some of your points and im sorry i didnt look up the meaning and paste it on to the thread. but i did know the meaning.

Good Day sir
thanks everone else for your pleasent responses


he wasnt being any of those things!!!! whats wrong with you? all he did was point out the flaws in your arguement! does that make him bad? what are you some kind of nazi creationist?

oh so i say the bible doesnt add up that makes me a herectic quit your inquisition and try listening and debating like the rest of us



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