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McCain: Illegal immigrants intentionally cause car accidents

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Sen. John McCain has taken a hard turn to the right. In an appearance on The O'Reilly Factor, McCain threw his support behind what appears to be the nation's stiffest immigration law in Arizona -- and even took it one step farther.

McCain said that undocumented immigrants are a threat to American citizens because they are intentionally causing car accidents. “It's the drive-by that -- the drivers of cars with illegals in it that are intentionally causing accidents on the freeway," the onetime Republican presidential nominee told O'Reilly.

“The state of Arizona is acting and doing what they feel they need to do in light of the fact that the federal government is not fulfilling its fundamental responsibility to secure our borders,” McCain added. "Look, our border is not secured. Our citizens are not safe."

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“We’ve had numerous officers that have been killed by illegal immigrants in Arizona,” Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu told Washington, DC reporters at a press conference organized by Republican senators.

“In just one patrol area, we’ve had 64 pursuits -- failure to yield for an officer -- in one month. That’s out of control.” Remarked the New York Daily News, "For most lawmakers, DWI stands for “driving while intoxicated.” For Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), DWI stands for “driving while illegal.”


This is unbelievable. How many legal citizens cause wrecks every day? Personally, if I ever were in Arizona..which I have never been.. and did something illegal, I'd run too. I don't want to go to jail there from everything I have heard.
I still don't see what in this article is showing them intentionally causing accidents. Just because you run from the police isn't intentionally causing an accident.

Personally, I'd be more worried about McCain himself causing an accident with this hard turn to the right. And without even signaling....

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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Well...I think it is time for Old Man McCain to step down. Someone really needs to check his mental state. First he says he was never a Maverick...and now illegals itentionally cause car accidents???? Because that makes sense...they WANT to draw the attention of the police!!!

I think the Old Man has finally lost it...someone get him some meds and a rocking chair. It's time to hang it up McCain.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by OutKast Searcher]


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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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McCain is right. This has been going on for decades. I lived in LA 15 years ago and it was a problem then.

Here is the way it works:

The illegal has no insurance and thus due to the law, you as the insured driver pays for the damage to both vehicles as well as being on the hook for any medical costs.

The cities (LA at least) is a sanctuary city and the cops are forbidden to refer the illegal to the INS.

The illegal hits you (never from the rear). You get out of the car and he tells you that he has no insurance (none of them do) but he is calling the cops because the accident is your fault. He also tells you that if you give him a couple hundred dollars he'll be on his way. Now you are confronted with having the cops come, nothing being done to the illegal because there is nothing they can do to him. They can't arrest him because the accident was not reckless and he has no insurance and the cops can't arrest him for that and if they give him a ticket he is not about to pay it, so they do nothing. They write up the accident and your insurance goes up several hundred dollars/year.

You wind up giving the illegal a couple hundy. They will even follow you to the ATM to get the cash.

The other method is that there is an illegal and a legal person. The illegal causes a three way accident and takes off. You're stuck with his buddy and the same deal happens.

This has been going on forever



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Oooh yes another talking head family member taking one for the team, to distract from the latest proposed bill in which Arizona is looking to require proof of US citizenship for political hopefuls. What no better way than to likely start a ruckus with an extreme left wing race rights/la raza/another talking head group - Marrk Potoks' beloved SPLC or other similar, whingey, govt funded propaganda outlet.

Watch the hands at work long enough and they just become so obvious.

edit: The dodgy trucks and drunk driving related crashes are probably the worst part of all this situation. Statistics tend to tell a tale of some sort, in this case its a certain group being over-representated.

[edit on 21/4/10 by GhostR1der]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:30 PM
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A north London migrant set up a scam to swindle about five million pounds from car insurers. He is believed to be one of the masterminds behind hundreds of fake road accidents.


www.hootcarinsurance.co.uk...



New immigrants are crashing cars deliberately or arranging to have them stolen and then claiming insurance to supplement their incomes, says the Insurance Council.

Some are also said to be ripping off health insurance companies by making false claims totalling millions of dollars.

The "massive" frauds are now topping $150 million a year in losses and show no signs of abating, the council's chief executive, Chris Ryan, said yesterday.

Cases had started coming to light about two years ago in areas of high immigration, especially Auckland.


www.nzherald.co.nz...



Drivers beware: There's a woman driving a stretch of Interstate 90 between Sparta and Tomah—without a license or any training about Wisconsin's traffic laws.


www.gazettextra.com...


According to the above and other reports, migrants appear to contribute at least a share of road accidents and to increased insurance premiums, etc

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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Yes, John McCain has to go. Time to get that DAMN RINO out of there.

Hmmmm, which McCain will show up tomorrow, the one that called for amnesty or the one that states the new Arizona Bill is a good one.

McCain and Obama, two LIARS CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH!

I hope he does not even get the Repub nomination for his seat. THAT WOULD BE GREAT!

Liars and corrupt politicians, yeah, I do not tend to listen to the lies dribbling from their lips day in and day out, I tend to look at the historical record when investigating our representatives.

I do not know why you Dem/liberals are giving ol John Boy a hard time, he is one of your guys darlings.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:38 PM
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I hope JD Hayworth takes McCains spot. McCain is only conservative when it suits him. It was just 2 years ago when McCain joined Ted Kennedy in sponsoring an amnesty bill. McCain is a fake and needs to go.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Your scenario makes no sense. Unless YOU are the cause of the accident...your insurance would not have to pay anything to the other party. While it is true that if he doesn't have insurance your car will have to be covered by your insurance...but he would get nothing.

So you are telling me they are SO good that they can set up an accident to make it look like your fault??? And you just go along with it and don't try to fight it?

I'm not buying it.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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The following is a list of some of the most common rip-off techniques put into practice.

Paper Accident - This occurs when a criminal aggressively requests others in the auto repair and salvage industry to be a part of accidents that only exist on paper. Sometimes the con will include crooked lawyers, doctors and insurance agents. Most insurance companies don't investigate claims under $1,000. As a result, these claims are almost always below that amount so as not to arouse suspicion.

Hit & Run - Happens when a swindler reports a fake hit and run accident to their insurance provider.

Swoop & Squat - This tactic is employed by a planner who suddenly swoops in front of a car and quickly squats or stops. An accessory moves to the side of the besieged victim to keep the trapped car from swerving out of the way. The passengers in the car that abruptly put itself in front of the victim's all claim injuries that are later supported by a doctor or a chiropractor in cahoots with the others involved in the scam.

Sideswipe - The same as it sounds. Where there's a multiple turn lanes at an intersection, be on the lookout for someone who takes a left turns until another car swiftly maneuvers into the lane whereas the perpetrator suddenly speeds up to force a collision.

T-Bone - Carefully planned, this tactic usually conducted when there isn't anyone around who could counteract the eyewitness accounts of bogus witnesses. The scammer waits at an intersection until a car comes along and deliberately rams into it as the car passes. After the police arrive, phony witnesses (who were waiting nearby) tell the police officer the victim improperly ran a stop sign or red light.

Wave - Used when there's a lot of traffic with a driving situation that includes a merge and/or "right of way". Feigning politeness, the scam artist waves to the victim, indicating that they're yielding the right of way to them. As the victim begins to go, the scam artist rapidly accelerates to cause an accident. When police arrive, the perpetrator rejects the victim's assertion that they gave up the right of way to them.

Shady Helper - This could happen after an honest accident. A stranger approaches you after an accident and offers numbers to an auto repair shop, lawyer or doctor. This could be a setup. The auto repair shop often pads your repair cost, and a doctor may give you shady treatment or none at all. A lawyer may even try to convince you to sue the insurance company.


www.fraudguides.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Feds Bust Staged Car Crash Ring in California
By Erin Jackson.

A three year investigation dubbed "Operation Twisted Metal" came to an end with fourteen individuals arrested for staging car crashes in order to fraudulently make off with insurance money.
Several agencies, including the California Department of Insurance, the FBI, the National Insurance Crime Bureau, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the San Diego Police Department joined forces for the operation, which successfully penetrated a large-scale staged auto accident ring operating out of San Diego. Evidence from 11 staged automobile accidents was collected, which occurred in several different counties in California and resulted in upwards of $200,000 in pay-outs from insurance companies.


www.digitaljournal.com...

Obviously a conclusion like "all illegals are involved" is asinine but when your inability to find work and ability to just fall off the radar are taken into consideration illegals are easy choices for this type of fraud. Any type of fraud really. It's easy to get away with fraud if you dont technically exist and are living off of one or more falsified identities.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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If you have never lived in a border town, you have no frame of reference to render an opinion.


WHen i was a kid, that song "Walk Like An Egyptian" was popular. In El Paso, a song that was put on the radio by a local was done to the same music but called "Drive Like A Mexican". Drivers with Chihuahua plates are horrible for accidents. People swerve off the road to avoid them (or did at that time).

You have to experience the situation to render an opinion, good or bad.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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Give the old man a break cause he does have a point.
He is actually talking about this?



PS, watch the video, how many can you count?

I counted more than twenty-juan.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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True story,

Lawyers in the past and others were paying illegals to stop short or jam on the breaks on highways in front of tractor trailers. A few people working for over the road company's were told or it was suggested to them that they just roll rite on over the car so there would be no one to actually file a suit and collect.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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There are ways of setting people up. A person can slam their brakes, causing a rear end collision. The person who slams their brakes can claim they were "rear ended." A person can also make a gesture yielding the right of way. They can they run into the person they yielded to, and blame the other person because that person did not have the right of way.

Many people can make money suing when they are clearly at fault, because insurance companies are better off paying these people a few bucks to go away rather than going through the expense of litigation. It can cost an insurance company about $100,000 to take a lawsuit through trial and win. Even if the case does not go to trial, insurance companies still have to pay their lawyers to make court appearances, go to depositions, and draft briefs.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by hotpinkurinalmint]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by dolphinfan
 


Your scenario makes no sense. Unless YOU are the cause of the accident...your insurance would not have to pay anything to the other party. While it is true that if he doesn't have insurance your car will have to be covered by your insurance...but he would get nothing.


This does happen in Arizona. My parents were involved in such an accident. I'm not sure what type of insurance you have, but in Arizona my insurance agent strongly recommended that I get uninsured motorist coverage, even though my vehicle was paid off and older, and all I really needed was liability.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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I know all about the staged accidents. This doesn't seem to be what the article is about though. Looks to me McCain in saying they all run from the police and that is what is causing the crashes. This article doesn't mention McCain at all referring to the "staged" rear-enders.

There is a very small part of the video with the article that might be referencing that. The article makes it sound like h is saying most of the wrecks are from them running from the police.


[edit on 21-4-2010 by webpirate]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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It is very true, certain groups of people are doing this to the point that they put out warnings in our area not to fall for it. Specifically what they were doing in this area is hit you, and then take off. Call the cops in a few minutes and say that YOU took off, so the cops hunt YOU down for hit and run.
The other thing they are doing is hitting elderly people, telling them it is their fault, and trying to get cash out of them on the spot, for the damages.
Specifically, it is Latino and Russian groups that are doing this in our area. In some cases they were definitely here illegally.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


There are ways of setting people up. A person can slam their brakes, causing a rear end collision. The person who slams their brakes can claim they were "rear ended." A person can also make a gesture yielding the right of way. They can they run into the person they yielded to, and blame the other person because that person did not have the right of way.



That may be "setting someone up"...but only if you are being a poor driver yourself...or unless they have some type of super brakes that cause their car to stop 100% faster than yours.

Get your heads out of your asses...put your phone down...keep a safe distance from the car in front of you...and know where every car is around you. It's not that hard...if you are set up in one of these...then it is your fault for not being an alert driver.

If you can't prove you were set up...then you were being just as careless as if it was really your fault.

Take some responsibility people...FFS.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Specifically what they were doing in this area is hit you, and then take off. Call the cops in a few minutes and say that YOU took off, so the cops hunt YOU down for hit and run.



OMG...so don't be a complete idiot AND CALL THE COPS YOURSELF BEFORE THEY DO.


Seriously people...if people in Arizona are this dumb...I'm gonna go set up a business there. Maybe I'll sell sand...or blizzard insurance.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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This does happen in Arizona. My parents were involved in such an accident. I'm not sure what type of insurance you have, but in Arizona my insurance agent strongly recommended that I get uninsured motorist coverage, even though my vehicle was paid off and older, and all I really needed was liability.


Yes...but this doesn't cover the uninsured motor...do you not understand that? It covers YOU if they don't have insurance and it was their fault.

If it is YOUR fault...then even liability will cover THEM.


What has happened today at ATS...people are just not thinking today.




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