Citigroup send notes to clients: Eurozone is "Doomed" to Fall Apart, page 2
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reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 03:58 PM by trueperspective
reply to post by Oaktree



Uhmmm..ok I hear you. I never thought that they had a bleeding heart or anything for our friends across the pond. BUT I was concerned more about the accuracy of their prediction.

Will the EU fail??

I say yes, unless they do something about it, BUT it seems they are tied down with too much red tape and conflicts of interest. I say they are certainly on the brink and they will have to do something drastic.



reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 05:02 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by Dermo




Today my EU citizenship and rights under the EU bill of rights and constitution overrule my Irish citizenship in almost every way & the EU makes 80% of Irish laws.. That goes to show how much and quickly it is changing..


And how do you feel about that?


reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 05:21 PM by Chevalerous
reply to post by Dermo



Yeah! we are the elite's new favourites! - they actually love us!

Everyone should read this Newsweek article:

European firms Beat American Rivals

Why Europe Will Win


Forget the conventional wisdom. European firms are faster-growing, more profitable, and better at globalization than their American rivals.

It's become a truism that America is full of "can do" people and companies, while slow-moving Europeans are more likely to offer a "yes, but" when faced with challenge. American firms set the bar for corporate excellence, or so the story goes, coming up with the hottest new products and ideas, and then doing the best job of selling them in every corner of the planet.

While the U.S.-generated financial crisis has, of course, tarnished the patina of American banks, it really hasn't dented this idea about the supremacy of the American multinational, or the American corporate model. Indeed, the worries about Europe's ability to compete on an ever-tougher global playing field have only been heightened by the fact that, post-crisis, Europe is still trailing the U.S. in economic growth, even as it tries to stem its own high-profile problems like the threat of sovereign default in Greece, sky-rocketing deficits, and a plunging euro.

But as is so often the case, a close look at the numbers tells a different story. Contrary to the widespread cliché of American dynamism versus European economic stagnation, over the past decade Europe's top companies have beaten America's (not to mention Japan's) by an often substantial margin.

Despite the rise of China and the rest, Europe has held roughly steady, at about 17 percent, its share of world exports since 2000, while America's has fallen by more than a third, from 17 to 11 percent—a crude but significant indicator of global competitiveness. Since the early 1990s, Europe has steadily expanded its share of the world's 100 biggest multinationals compiled annually by the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development, from 57 in 1991 to 61 last year, while the U.S. number has dropped from 26 to 19.

Europe has moved up these and other corporate rankings with new and fast-expanding companies in such sectors as energy (Germany's E.On and France's GDF Suez), finance (Britain's HSBC and Italy's UniCredit), and telecommunications (Spain's Telefónica and Britain's Vodafone)—while America's roster of large global companies has been mostly static and declining, with new stars like Google the exception, not the rule.

What's more, Europe's growth has been highly profitable. According to a study of the top 3,000 global companies by the German business consultancy Roland Berger, the European companies in the group grew profits at an average rate of 13 percent a year over the decade from 1998 to 2008, almost double the 7 percent rate for their U.S. rivals.

Berger CEO Burkhard Schwenker says corporate Europe now has higher earning power than America Inc., with gross earnings in the Berger sample averaging 19.8 percent of 2008 revenues in Europe, versus 13 percent in the U.S. Some of these numbers must obviously be taken with a grain of salt—for example, 2009 earnings (a compilation of which Berger plans to release next month) show a significant rebound for U.S. companies versus their European rivals, who were hit later and harder by the recession.

But amid all the uncertainty over economic prospects coming out of the crisis, these numbers offer an important starting point. At the heart of the debate is the question over "rebalancing"—whether deficit economies like the United States' will need to move away from debt-driven consumption and imports and compete harder on world markets, as Barack Obama said in his State of the Union address in January, when he promised to double America's exports over the next five years.

Until now, that debate has centered on macroeconomic data—trade balances, currency-exchange pegs, and capital flows. But when you drill down to the level of actual companies, it's clear that in many sectors, European firms have out-competed American rivals across the globe, and Obama's dream of rebuilding a world-beating export sector in which American firms trump European ones could be an uphill slog, to say the least.

It's a picture that forces us to revise some old clichés about the European economy. "The myth of a sclerotic, no-growth Europe that is somehow doomed to fail is just wrong," says Charles Roxburgh, director at McKinsey Global Institute in London. In fact, European per capita GDP has grown slightly faster than the U.S. since 2000. That metric is crucial: because of its faster population growth, the U.S. must generate 1 percentage point more growth than Europe each year just so Americans can hold on to their level of prosperity. Roxburgh attributes the European edge to a sharp rise in employment after a series of labor-market reforms in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

He also says many European export-oriented companies have excelled when it comes to restructuring, increasing their competitiveness even as they face off against lower-cost rivals from China and other developing countries.

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The key to the European model has been globalization. European companies have moved much faster and further to seize markets beyond their borders. Foreign sales—even when considering all of Europe as a single home market—are 39 percent, versus roughly 30 percent for U.S. and Japanese companies, and only 20 percent for big companies in the BRIC countries. The latter, far from conquering the world, remain mostly focused on their domestic markets. If one looks at strictly national markets (for example, German versus non-German sales for Volkswagen), the globalization effect is even higher.

Hermann Simon, a German entrepreneur and business professor who has studied the "hidden champions"—the small to midsize highly specialized manufacturing companies that dominate the German, Italian, and Scandinavian economies—says it is not unusual for these companies to have an export share of more than 80 percent.

That means a much larger share of EU growth has piggybacked on economic dynamism in the emerging markets—the BRICs, but also Eastern Europe and the big-spending OPEC states. If these markets continue to generate an increasing share of global growth, as most economists believe, then European companies are in a much better starting position.

European companies have written the book on how to grow and prosper in these markets—and not just via outsourcing, as Europe's healthy trade balance shows (the non-energy trade surplus was €15.6 billion in January). European automakers from Volkswagen to Renault and Fiat, high-speed train manufacturers like France's Alstom, not to mention countless highly specialized niche manufacturers, already dominate trade with the BRICs—and could make life hard for an America that thinks it can revive its manufacturing prowess and export its way to growth.

Europe's globalization prowess isn't as much a matter of management decision as of geographic fate. While American companies traditionally concentrate on their large home market, says Simon, European ones coming from smaller markets are forced to go global at a much earlier stage in their company's development, giving them a leg up on international markets.

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Which model is better? The jury is still out on how much of either European or U.S. growth is truly sustainable. Henning Kagermann—ex-CEO of SAP, Europe's most successful software company—wonders the extent to which European corporate success is based on restructuring and incremental technological advancements, rather than the radical innovation that can upend entire industries, and at which American companies like Apple and Google still excel.

On the other hand, a lot of American growth is still fueled by debt spending, this time public instead of private. Europe has debt problems of its own, but its core economies, France and Germany, still have much healthier public finances. In any case, in a few year's time, says McKinsey's Roxburgh, the true competition won't be between Europe and America, but between Western companies and the new giants of the emerging world. In that race, slow Europe may prove to be the tortoise that wins.


www.newsweek.com...

Read the full 2 pages Newsweek article via the link.


Found the article in this thread by the author: OddTimeSignature

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 21-4-2010 by Chevalerous]


reply posted on 23-4-2010 @ 10:43 AM by Dermo
Originally posted by Rockpuck
And how do you feel about that?


In one way, Im delighted that Europe can become closer and more intertwined.. In another way, Pan European legislation can be a bit frustrating because it is so far from me..

I spent years being pissed over the whole loss of sovereignty thing until one day, in the middle of a rant about the Lisbon treaty to my Mother - who voted to Join the EEC 30 years ago - I began talking about how the EU is stealing our sovereignty and how we didn't ask for it or get a choice..

Her reply was.. "When we voted to enter the EU in the late 70's, we knew it was going to become a country eventually, how did we not get a vote in it? We knew where it was going.. Whats the problem?"

So basically, at this stage, while I might dislike various aspects of the EU, I am constantly traveling around it, working and staying in various places, all the while, still having a sense of camaraderie with everyone inside its borders.. even if I can't speak their language.. Without the EU, this would not be possible..

Also peace, prosperity, multiculturalism without wars, a new 'European' breed of people, a modern sense of identity whilst also keeping the fact that I am Irish even though I am also European and a myriad of other things completely outweigh the bad aspects of the EU for me..

I know it is an empire in the making and hope that end will never succeed but I apart from that, I hope it keeps progressing because it is civilized evolution.

And anyway.. at this stage, What is Ireland? A state? A non Country? What does a country do in this day and age? Nationalism is a taboo in Europe.. So loving your "country" in anything other than sports is a big no no..

The propaganda and conditioning for which is so subtle and subversive that is is funny.. And at this stage, I can't say i'm not happy about it.. Even though I know we are being played by the globalists.. Its kind of enlightening...




reply posted on 24-4-2010 @ 09:34 AM by Dermo
reply to post by mirageofdeceit



Spoken like a true Brit

It was ok to try and keep dozens of countries under the same flag when it was the British empire.. But now that the Queen isn't in control, its evil??

Come on man, I understand the outlook of the English people but in fairness.. Its a bit hypocritical isn't it?

Also, give me a better system for unifying the people of Europe? Because I know you can't..

Its funny how quickly people forget the damage that was done during the thousands of years when Europe was splintered..
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