South Park Creators Threatened

terrorism definition :

United Nations Secretary General report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act" (wikipedia)


simply : "Terrorism is, in the most general sense, the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion." (Wikipedia)

Threatening South Park creator is Terrorism... the same terrorism that US troops are fighting abroad. But now it's in your own country and what they do : nothing, just censoring the episode.
Terror is in your home and everyone say : it's allright, we just censure Mohamed. It seems USA is defeated, moral is lower than I thought.

Wow, this thread is turning into one of those "I'm not bashing [insert hot topic here], I just want some clarification" threads. So, I figure I'll toss a couple of cents into this wishing well.

While it is fair to say that we are exposed to a constant barrage of reports about Islamic violence and threats, again, it isn't a representation of their religion as a whole. I, in no way, stand by or defend any act of violence perpetrated in the name of a religion, however, I feel it would be naive to say that the whole problem rests squarely on the shoulders of Muslims. Let me once again clarify that I am not defending so-called "terrorism," (which is a completely subjective term, might I add), even though the current regime in power here in the good ol' U.S.S.A. considers every ATS member a "domestic terrorist." I just don't care for the direction in which this thread is headed.

The OP was simple...Matt and Trey decided to run with an episode and, because some COMPLETELY SPARE fundamentalist Islamic group based in NYC made an empty threat, the execs at Comedy Central raped it. It's not a matter of Islam being such a terrible religion and we should use this as a platform for throwing stones...it's a matter of the Comedy Central executives not having the cajones to stand behind the very reason why that awful network has been on the air for as long as it has. Comedy Central has become the real joke...I hope I'm not the only one laughing at them, not with them...except on Wednesday nights, of course.

Anonymous' hacks Revolution Muslim for South Park Fattwa:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Man, this is starting to get serious now.

[edit on 4/23/2010 by Choronzon]

Originally posted by Choronzon
Anonymous' hacks Revolution Muslim for South Park Fattwa:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Man, this is starting to get serious now.

[edit on 4/23/2010 by Choronzon]

How is it "getting serious"? A hacker hacked a website, isn't that kind of the definition of what they do?

Edit to add: I'm am still highly annoyed that CC has disabled the forum on SP website. grrrrrr

[edit on 23-4-2010 by searching4truth]

Back on topic Trey and Matt say censorship.



Row as 201st edition of the cartoon bleeps out Mohammed references after ‘warnings’
By Jonathan Harwood
LAST UPDATED 1:26 PM, APRIL 23, 2010
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South Park's fearless creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone could be heading for a fall-out with the TV station Comedy Central as well as angry Muslims over the cartoon's depiction of the Prophet Mohammed.

Last week the landmark 200th episode of the risque show drew criticism for featuring Mohammed and offending Muslims. But this week's edition, which continued the storyline involving Mohammed, was heavily censored - apparently by the station rather than the programme makers.

In the latest episode, shown on Wednesday night, Mohammed was replaced on screen by a black silhouette and the word 'censored' and all mentions of him were replaced by bleeps. At the end of every show one of the main characters, Kyle, delivers a speech explaining the moral of the episode, but his epilogue on Wednesday was entirely bleeped out.

That sparked a debate on the internet over whether the cuts had been made by the programme makers or had been forced upon them.

The answer came in a statement from Parker and Stone, who made it clear that Comedy Central were

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I want a transcript for the speech at the end of the show. I wanna know why Comedy Central felt that the ENTIRE speech had to be bleeped. I was reading about how the speech was censored and I was just thinking it would be certain words and such but THE WHOLE SPEECH?! REALLY?! I was taken aback when I actually watched the episode and got to the speech part.

Originally posted by noonebutme
reply to post by eightfold

 

How is that racist?

Disliking Muslim beliefs is not racist. I dislike Christians and Catholics and Hindus and all religions. That isn't racist. Bigoted or prejudiced, maybe.

But not racist.

I made no mention to skin colour or human race.

If anything, you're the one exhibiting racist tendencies by *assuming* a Muslim is of a race other than my own (which I am caucausian, by the way). You assumed when I said extreme Muslim I was referring to who...? Arabs?

You racist.

'I'm not racist, but' is a figure of speech here in sunny England, normally used to refer to a chav that claims not be racist then spouts prejudiced beliefs, as if saying 'I'm not racist' first it makes it ok.

You appear to have read 'racist' in my post then ignored the next sentence....I was trying to draw parallels between that 'chav' mentality and what you said, I wasn't literally calling you racist.

noonebutme
So long as their view(s) do not harm or infringe upon the well being and freedoms of others, then yes, that's absolutely correct.

But should a person following an extremist view of Islam preach his view or suggest something utterly ridiculous, (like any depicition of a religious figure is forbidden and punishable by death) then no, their views are NOT valid and do NOT fit with the common good of any society.

In other words.... 'I believe in freedom of speach, except....' You completely ignored the crux of what I was talking about, so I'm in no doubt you'd make an excellent politician.

As for me being racist...you've used some twisted logic to get there. I actually live in a very muslim area in the UK, and have done for nearly a decade. Before that I lived in the middle east and east asia, tho I'm white and originally from Scotland.

I have a very diverse group of friends that literally cover all the major religions and some obscure ones, which makes for some excellent late night 'putting the world to rights' conversations.

As a result of my 'real life' experience I took exception to your obvious prejudice, that's all, and I thought that pointing out the flaw in your logic might help you waken up a bit. Apparently not.

As for South park...

I think they bottled it second time around, I was hoping for a balls-out piss take off all the major religions. Buddha doing coke (again) made me smile, as did Semen & Swallow, but when Santa came out of the bear suit I thought 'f*!@ me! they can't do that', while howling with laughter. The symbol of the commercialism of Christianity dressed in a bear suit pretending to be the muslim prophet? : ) Brilliant.

I genuinely thought they'd go for it and show a representation of Muhammad at some point but I wasn't all that surprised when they didn't. They were clearly censored heavily, tho I can't work out if the mass-beepout at the end was them making a point or them being censored by comedy central or whoever.

Originally posted by eightfold
As for South park...

I genuinely thought they'd go for it and show a representation of Muhammad at some point but I wasn't all that surprised when they didn't. They were clearly censored heavily, tho I can't work out if the mass-beepout at the end was them making a point or them being censored by comedy central or whoever.

Read the above article and you will have the answers.
Funny stuff!

Originally posted by skajkingdom


I am telling you what my religion tells me to do, not what some people do, or decide to ABUSE my religion and do things in its name.

Islam is a natural religion, a natural state of mind and spirit absolutely in concordance with logic and peace.

That some people want to use it for their agenda - it is not islams fault for that.

You must learn to discern notions. You (not you specifically) constantly say "we dont have anything against islam", but then point Arabia or a group of extremist for something. Stop doing that.
An evil man is EVIL, regardless of religion.

No one who kills civilians can even be CALLED muslim. Do you understand?

Please, for the love of God: Once and for all. Islam DOES NOT ALLOW killing of innocent people.

"If anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind." (Qur'an, 5:32)

you know i am an athiest and as strange as this seems, im taking your side of the arguement
muslims in general should not be blamed for the awful things people have done in the name of their religion,
just as modern day christians should not be blamed, for the crusades, inquisitions, and various burningss and tortures of "herectics" and nonbelievers

but i think this is up for debate

"If anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind." (Qur'an, 5:32)

note this part

If anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind

this part about corruption can be interperated as spreading imorality or secularism or anything that doesnt agree with islam
also is there any truth to this?
in a family that has daughters, if the daughters go out and lose their virginity before wedlock, the brothers and fathers are expected to kill them
ive heard that a similair thing took place in turkey a few years ago, two daughters ran away got laid and came back, the father kiled one and the other decided to hang herself.
i think you and i can agree that this is horrible no matter how you look at it
im not knocking your religion at all im just asking about it

also earlier i made a statement about muslims, i retract it, it was a generalization sorry about that

Originally posted by ashanu90


but i think this is up for debate

If anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind

this part about corruption can be interperated as spreading imorality or secularism or anything that doesnt agree with islam

No, it can't be interpreted like that, because throughout the Qur'an you have verses that explicitly say that the message of Islam is to warn them but everyone is free to believe or not believe whatever they want.
The words that are translated there as "spreading corruption" actually mean tyranny and dictatorship, e.g. if a state is terrorising its people, killing innocents etc.

As for the second thing about sex out of wedlock - there are verses in Qur'an which say "a believing woman should only marry a believing man and an adultress should only marry an adulterer".
Now, if we were to kill them, how can she marry?





[edit on 4/24/2010 by skajkingdom]

Originally posted by skajkingdom

No, it can't be interpreted like that, because throughout the Qur'an you have verses that explicitly say that the message of Islam is to warn them but everyone is free to believe or not believe whatever they want.
The words that are translated there as "spreading corruption" actually mean tyranny and dictatorship, e.g. if a state is terrorising its people, killing innocents etc.

As for the second thing about sex out of wedlock - there are verses in Qur'an which say "a believing woman should only marry a believing man and an adultress should only marry an adulterer".
Now, if we were to kill them, how can she marry?

[edit on 4/24/2010 by skajkingdom]

ok thanks for clearing that up for me then
now that you put it like that islam really does sound like a religion of tolerance and peace
i guess certan groups and leaders demonise it. not to mention the us government
like how certain christians demonise harry potter and twilight
or how certain parents demonise marijuana
same thing but more radical i suppose


you seem like a pretty cool guy
thumbs up and a star for you

reply to post by Acid_Burn2009


I hate South Park and don't find it funny but as long as something is legal it is protected by free speech, unlike the dog fighting videos which being an illegal act filmed in the first place should not be protected.
I am disappointed in the Supreme Court Ruling on these videos.
Still I defend South Parks right to be risque and appeal to who ever they appeal to.

I have to wonder however and I have been thinking quite a bit about this whether or not "the greatest generation" was not actually "the greatest generation" because of stricter FCC standards, what we would call "censorship" today.
The people tended to emulated the images of heroism and good character depictions they saw repeated over and over on TV.
Certainly not all of them but enough to make a difference in our culture.

Think about it...good guys always won and we did not on one hand condemn sex and on the other feature it everywhere. Drugs, gambling, liquor were not allowed to be promoted in this mass influential fashion. We had hero's in films then and very often people represented the best of humanity. We did not glorify the villains. We did not give secrets of forensics or police investigations away free to the public for "entertainment" and we didn't humiliate and treat people cruelly for sport and entertainment as a rule either.

Just sayin. Maybe the Greatest Generation in addition to winning that war were good because this is what they saw and were inspired to be.

Today...we see little different film strip running through the mirrors of our minds. Crazy stuff. Insanity. Who can blame people for hopping on a bandwagon and going mad themselves? After all, you show them how it is done. We see copy cats all the time.

Does TV copy and render perceptions of reality or does reality copy and emulate what is shown and remembered from television, movies and now games?







[edit on 24-4-2010 by rusethorcain]

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
ISLAM: Who Needs diplomacy when you have death?

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One trick Ponies... the lot of them!

IRM :shk:

The has to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen!!!
At least radical Christians don't go about like that.
But wow.

Religion, anyone???

i love south park and i find it ridiculous that these radical muslims spoil tlhe fun for the rest of the world. if a islamitic channel would show jesus in a disgracefull manner would we be as angry as they are? look at that cartoonist a few years ago that dude was almost assasinated and is still under surveillance 24/7.

reply to post by rusethorcain


though southpark has many crude jokes, tons of of sugestive themes, and adult language, it is really an intelligent show, next time you watch it if you ever do, try to see past the potty humour and and try to see the inner message, southpark is really just showing us what the world is like, especially america, it is pointing out americans obsession, with things like, remaking great movies into crap, american's obsession with the internet, stupidity in politics, americans lazy habits and, american's various hypocrasies. when you see people on southpark acting totally idiotic and obseesive about something it is not condoning these things at all, but critisizing these things behind a mask of humour

reply to post by boondock-saint


sorry dear sir but i am a atheist and i was in a foxhole not to long ago

reply to post by ashanu90


I will have to agree with you on that although i watch the show on a regular basis i know sometimes its hard to do but do look past the potty humor and see the inner message but all those who watch south park with me SOUTH PARK WILL GO ON FOREVER

Originally posted by impaired
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Reminds me of some types native to the US:



Biggest difference probably being that the US would take those kinds of signs much more seriously, regardless of religion. If Christians went around with signs that say "Death to Jews" and "Kill All Jews," I would suspect they would also be of great interest to US authorities. If the "God Hates Fags" bunch were in the country tolerant enough to allow signs with those extremist Islamic messages, then they would probably be a little more raunchy too.

reply to post by bsbray11


It's just all so messed up. Why can't these "gods" just tell us themselves? Why do they have to send their slaves to do their dirty work???