After years of studying end time predictions these are my results

I hope you guys aren't holding your breath for this. Because Nostradamus' predictions go at least into the NEXT millenium...

Honestly I think this whole post is ignorant to so many different facts. If this war were to start it could not be anytime soon. Their are so many flaws in this.

1 being that China has no where to even close to enough equipment to mobilize troops, palnes, weaponry, etc... for an invasion of the US

2 being it would be fairly easy to control oil supplies to other countries being that we are stationed every where in the middle east.

3 the US has technology right now we won't even see or hear about for another 20 years. We started testing laser technologies back in the 70s and now all of a sudden it comes out that we are able to shoot down nukes from a 747. Think of what we don't know about. And what we do know about is crazy.

4 the us will use nukes in defense china is not stupid enough to invade.

These four points atleast completely take the us and china out of the equation.

Religion is a cult. I used to be fairly religious and was baptized as a lutheran and communed as one as well. As I have become more and more educated its not the bible that has made me stop following god, but the cult like people. I do not want to turn into that. These people think without logic and they alsways find a verse in the bible to explain something even if that verse does not in anyway even closely relate to what is being debated. And if any one of them is cornered they just say its all part of gods plan.

The thing I don't understand most is that the ultra religious say that we are supposed to live as jesus lived and follow his teachings. Yet they are the first one to get excited about war breaking out and prophecy to be fulfilled. Stupid. Jesus did not wage war nor did he want war. He supposedly died on the cross and did not fight. Why do so many religious nuts get excited about war and prophecy then?



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great story, but endtime theory is just speculation, nothing more, predicting exact events like that is IMPOSSIBLE, the smallest thing could change the path of history immensely, (for example. hitler could have been accepted into the art school he applied for, there would have been no WWII) with this in mind, you could not be basing it on facts or calculations, so it's based on faith, ANOTHER religion, personally i like to go by what i can see, hear, and essentially PROVE, not just using my imagination, and then deciding "this is what's going to happen because i believe it"
The world needs to come down from the clouds so we can actually progress, religion and the placing of imperviable beliefs based on imagination is the current plague of earth.
If you were to find someone who had NO experience of religions, and you told them the beliefs of every religion seperately, as stories, and also told them the theory of extra terrestrials coming to visit, then told them that only one story out of them all is true, which do you think they would believe?

Snd i know there's the argument that religion brings comfort to people when their family members or friends die (it's religions main selling point), and that's a fair argument, but at what price does comfort come? our santiy?

Would you vote for a president or senator or prime minister or whatever type of leadership, if you knew that they GENUINELY believed in the tooth fairy or the easter bunny, no? well then why vote for one who fully believes without question and without ANY evidence that there DEFINITELY is a god and that their religion is EXACTLY right? (the fact that it cannot be proven wrong is is not evidence)
The answer is it's all just bred into you as a child, when you're a child you learn from what your parents and other adults, such as teachers, would you have gone to church ON YOUR OWN when you were little? would you have done your communion or confirmation if you'd had the choice? (if you weren't getting money i.e. being bribed into ur religion) it's called brainwashing and is used to control the public. and the real irony is, the people running those churches of "God" and "Love" are some of the most evil people in the world. (i'm talkin bout the paedos)

people have been using religion and beliefs to instill order in the people , and to provide comfort to them, since the beginning of civilisation, (witches come to mind), and all that may have been fine back in the days of stone tools and mud huts, but i think in this day and age we have advancnd enough to see that those stories of gods and hell, etc. were just written to keep order in a civilisation, to tell this back in 0A.D. they would have needed something for the people to fear (hell) and an incentive to be good(Heaven) heaven and hell are just metaphores for the success and failure of civilisation and the human race, you couldn't simpy explain to a nation who were much less advance and a lot wilder, that if we all just go around killing each other and riding our family, that our civilisation and the human race is going to fail, people saying this would probably be killed (unless they had some kind of support from a supreme being, that conveniently no-one could or would ever see, and will strike you down if you disobey, and if he doesn't, oh well he'll get you when you die... lol, idiots)
(BTW, almost all religions are the same basic story, changed to suit different cultures)

Now, ironically, they are one of the main things holding us back from a better civilisation, religions and beliefs such as end times theories need to be forgotten about before we can ever advance to a stage socially like we have technologically.

When i say all this, i dont mean that they are impossible THEORIES, as however unlikely they are, i realise they could be true.
But having an unwaveable faith in something without ANY real evidence, you're no better than some man or woman IMPRISONED in the funny farm, who thinks he or she is elvis,

Originally posted by A Novel
Honestly I think this whole post is ignorant to so many different facts. If this war were to start it could not be anytime soon. Their are so many flaws in this.

1 being that China has no where to even close to enough equipment to mobilize troops, palnes, weaponry, etc... for an invasion of the US

2 being it would be fairly easy to control oil supplies to other countries being that we are stationed every where in the middle east.

3 the US has technology right now we won't even see or hear about for another 20 years. We started testing laser technologies back in the 70s and now all of a sudden it comes out that we are able to shoot down nukes from a 747. Think of what we don't know about. And what we do know about is crazy.

4 the us will use nukes in defense china is not stupid enough to invade.

These four points atleast completely take the us and china out of the equation.

Religion is a cult. I used to be fairly religious and was baptized as a lutheran and communed as one as well. As I have become more and more educated its not the bible that has made me stop following god, but the cult like people. I do not want to turn into that. These people think without logic and they alsways find a verse in the bible to explain something even if that verse does not in anyway even closely relate to what is being debated. And if any one of them is cornered they just say its all part of gods plan.

The thing I don't understand most is that the ultra religious say that we are supposed to live as jesus lived and follow his teachings. Yet they are the first one to get excited about war breaking out and prophecy to be fulfilled. Stupid. Jesus did not wage war nor did he want war. He supposedly died on the cross and did not fight. Why do so many religious nuts get excited about war and prophecy then?

 

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I believed in religion then i got told the truth and now i know its all lies ,things are never as they seem and people will find out soon enough

Thanks for bringing up hitler. Which brings me to... How many people thought that was the end times? Everyone did. But no now the religious today say that it couldn't have been because israel was not a nation yet.

Well now the religious are falling back on the fact that according to prophecy the EU must shrink from 16,17,18??? Nations to less than half of that. Prophecy is not being fulfilled yet sorry kids it can't be the end... But hey ill give europe one thing. Setting up the euro was a perfect way to ultimately down the line carry out more prophecy predictions



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People will not find out soon. Its sad. Look at how many people ignore the fact that kids had been molested by priests and the pope does nothing? No outrage... Nothing they ignore it because people could never believe religion being satanic. Its sad and very ignorant.

Look at relion durring medieval times. Seriously study that. Religion was only used for power. That's it just power not to follow god and be humble. Religion is the exact opposite of humble. And even if god were real very few follow him the way the bible says. Very few will be saved but the religious cults I think don't understand how few. They surely are not following the bible the way it was intended and they surely will not be saved even though they follow the bible and god.



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We won't see a European country fall to an Arab army. What we'd see is an implosion of regional and then national economies due to hundreds of small, independent attacks on city centers. Should this occur, large corporations wouldn't be able to afford the insurance premiums and operating costs and would leave the region. This results in job loss and economic depression. People then become more dependent on their governments, giving them more power. The governments would then implement more draconian laws. Then the cycle repeats, region by region, country by country until governments collapse, and then we're back to feudalism.

That being said, if Israel's technological defenses fail, they are doomed. Their land mass is simply too small and they lack the manpower to fight off an invading army.

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Why ar do you type this like it already happened in the past tense?

This thread should have been titled Pornography for the Paranoid.

My favorite part is the mental image of a grown man drawing pictures of fantastic battle scenes as he scribbles furiously and makes sound effects of machine guns and bombs.

Just one question. How do you suppose China would transport a few hundred thousand troops across the Pacific and avoid nuclear-tipped missles?

VISUALIZE PEACE BROTHER. Put down the pencil and pray.

The U.S. has more oil in the Gulf of Mexico than all of the oil in the Middle East combined. This oil mostly goes to the strategic oil reserve we've been stockpiling for about 40 years or so now.

In no way shape or form could the U.S. become strangled in the oil department.

Now for China. China does not have enough Navy to support a concentrated assault upon the Alaskan, Western U.S. shores. What little they have would evaporate as soon as the U.S. Aircraft Carrier groups were brought to bear. The ACGs would be escorted by thousands of supporting destroyers and battleships etc.

China would be almost unstoppable in Asia though. China assisting Russia to smash Israel is probably the most likely end result should the Israelis actually attack Iran one day. Russia might even be able to knock out all of Israel's ballistic missile (Nukes, or Large Conventional War Heads too) capabilities if Israel should try to go the nuclear route.... Now wouldn't that make things interesting?

In the end Israel would sink into the history pages before any other country actually did. Israel's best defense right now is to just try and get along with its neighbors. It is a lose, lose situation should they become bellicose.

Russia could do many of the things that you talked about too as their army is still a very large and formidable force. They still have a draft to this day which means that most of their youth are trained and ready to fight. I've been there before and can vouch for the information that soldiers are everywhere you look. The Russian economy is in the dumps right now along with most of the rest of the world but not militarily inept by any stretch of the imagination.

Should the U.S. assist Israel in regional suicide then it would have to watch all of its bases in the Middle East become overrun. You would see large scale aerial/naval battles unfold when the Russians began intercepting resupply convoys by ship or air to beleaguered U.S. troops that would quickly become surrounded by a Russo/Sino onslaught as the Russians would not twiddle their thumbs when the U.S. tried to resupply bases that were running out of ammunition.

There is not a Infinite Ammo cheat button that you can use in war and resupply from across the world would become a untenable logistics nightmare for the U.S.

Not to mention that the Russo/Sino alliance would be steadily bearing down on those positions with vastly superior numbers of troops who have a adequate parity in technological firepower that the U.S. has not had to stomach since WW2. But only this time the U.S. would not enjoy having the superior numbers that they fielded over the German Wehrmacht at that time.

A significant Israeli attack on any Middle Eastern country at this time would be the end of the U.S./Zionist dominance that saw it's moment in the sun from the 40s up until the present day.

Why the Israelis keep antagonizing their neighbors and the indigenous people living in their own country at this time is only a testament to how insane the Zionists have become. They will eventually cook their own goose should they keep breaking fences rather than mending them.

The main point that the OP should take from my reply is that China does not have the resources to invade the U.S. coast and the U.S. does not have enough resources to contain a Russo/Sino war in Asia or the Middle East should those circumstances ever materialize.








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Firstly, I question your logic. I don't think you have a grasp of what the United States truly military power is. The US is decades ahead of everyone else as far as military technology. How long did it takes us to control Iraq? Either time? Do you honestly think that if there was a massive RIA that we would engage in the same type of warfare? No. It might take a week at the most to destroy the offensive military capabilities, or at least cripple them to the point of being inconsequential, of your ria.

As far as China goes, listen China has a massive land army. Tons of manpower. But they aren't even in the league of the US. They don't have the ability to launch an effective land campaign on US soil. And they know that. As far as their technology, nowhere close. Their Navy is about as technologically advanced as the US navy in the mid 80s.

You overestimate the Russians financial capabilities. That they could buy off most European governments.

And to think that China and Russia would even consider all out war with the US is ridiculous. They are large enough and dangerous enough that we would engage in full scale war as opposed to these limited strategic strikes and police actions in the ME. They are smart enough not to risk total annihalation.

You also underestimate Israels missle defense system. You also overestimate what Iran will be capable of short term. It would be difficult for them to level anything more than a kilometer which doesn't cover half of Israel.



If you had any concievable idea of what the US is capable of militarily then you'd trash your entire OP. If you want to go on air superiority an F22 would shoot down aprox. 20-27 SU-33s for every one downed F22. Hell the electronics and avionics on our F15(25 yrs old) allow them to keep up with the most advanced russian fighters. Nobody on Earth wants a full scale war with the US or Russia. And certainly nobody in Cina's Hemisphere wants an all out war with them.

But the simple fact is, unless you are willing to make the earth uninhabitable, the US would not have a problem dealing with a multifront coalition variety full scale war. And it would last exactly as long as we let it.

And that my friend is why for the rest of your life the US will only have people taking potshots at it. Nobody will engage on equal terms.

Originally posted by Misoir
I already know that you can't just invade 3 different areas in a small pocket of time. I never stated how long it would take, my ASSUMPTION is about 9-12 months to fully invade them 3 locations and secure them.

Which Arab country has a blue water navy or at least a large number of Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) to carry out such an invasion? Do you know how powerful the European navies combined are? How are the Arabs going to deal with our fleets in the first place?

Furthermore, how is Syria going to advance into Israel? You do know that apart from artillery pieces, their military is largely outdated and no match for the IDF?

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What if the US woke up one day and all of its military satellites we're destroyed? Yes, the US would still be formidable. But perhaps that would level the playing field.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
How do the Muslim nations do all this unstoppable invading again? With Kalashnikovs, a bunch of RPGs and one low-yield nuke?

Right.

no offense...but there is a LOT of dinero in the middle east....so don't fool yourself with this media constructed view that Muslims are living in some kind of "stone-age" world....and there have been a few nukes gone missing over the years...

I am not saying I will buy ANY BODY'S predictions as the 100% end result of this great world of humanity...but for Jebus's sake.....keep an open MIND, at least...GREAT thread...(clapping my hands)
One more point, ya'll...(quote)
World leaders are a little more intelligent than "Derp, let's go attack or let's go bomb them just because they did this or they did that."

Isn't that EXACTLY why a lot of wars start? DERP....you stepped over this line in the sand...so I am gonna kick your (bleep).....I like YOUR place over there better than my place over here...so...I am gonna kick your (bleep)

come on....

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I know no Arab military that could possibly challenge the American or European countries. No chance, especially with the West being one alliance. We have air, sea and land supremacy. Turkey is the only country with a decent, modern and relatively large military, but then again that's no Arab country.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have modern armies but of such insignificant size that they could not even challenge a single European country.

when will the movie be releast in the cinema's?????

nice plot will be that yellowstone and toba erupting at the same time...destroying everything that mankind forget to destruckt...

nature leveling...

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Yes. Go to an arab country and ask for dinero...

Sure even if they did have money they don't have technology. It would be like cannons vs' guns. I seriously don't wish for any war. I realize war will always be, but its so unrealistic to think america would be defeated without being invaded and no other country is capable of that right now.

You'll always get the america haters who claim defeat is just over the horizon, but no country can relatively quickly send millions of troops to america without making all of them swim or building thousands more ships and planes. this is north america and we happen to be surrounded by oceans and only two countries...










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The story lost all credibility in my opinion when Syria started to win against Israel.

Nice try, though.

This would mean that billions of people around the world would be willing to kill and support war.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF WAR.

I don't support your theory because i don't want it in my world

First As far as oil goes there is at any time a 91 day supply en-route to the us.
It takes 91 days for a oil tanker loaded in the Persian gulf to get to the USA.

Second the big oil companies are sitting on a lot of oil up in Alaska,why do they not announce it??? They do not announce a new vast oil field oil strike for the same reason they had 45 tankers sitting in lower New York bay in 1973 and would not allow them to dock as the spot price of oil was jumping up $0.50 to $1.00/day.

That second Alaskan pipeline is both a insurance policy and a way to sell more Alaskan oil to Japan who pay a premium over spot oil price for it.

There are 3 massive oil reserve stockpiles(180 days worth),2 of which are solely meant for Defense dept use.

So the Iranians have 1 refinery in their country that makes gas,the rest(70%) they have to import thru ,you guessed it ,the very same Strait of Hormuz that they would try to blockade.