War Looms It Would Be Wise To Prepare

Greetings and thank you Coffinman,

The White House (obama's bosses: Soros, Van Jones, Sunstein, Rahm Emmanuel) reluctance to deal with the Somali pirates' capture of the USS Alabama, and the subsequent threats from the White House to the crew of the Alabama, should serve to indicate that the US will ignore Iran (at least for a while) if they light up the Middle East.

It's probably prudent to say that the Iranians will get to beat us up a bit while our loud-mouth puppet excuse for a president plays golf or bows down to whoever he's gonna bow down to next.

Yes, I know; there's a place for me in the gulags after we transition to the Dictatorship of the New World Order.

Thanks again, Coffinman, for your research and for the important links you provided.

Obviously, unless you are enlisted or planning on enlisting, you most likely won't have to prepare for actual front-seat warfare, but you will have to prepare for the repercussions from a war of the magnitude being spoken of.

If this is the war spoken of in Ezekiel, I would seriously suggest that you look to your Bible for some answers to that question, seeing as this war will throw the entire world into a 7 year chaos (the great tribulation).

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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thing is. all this seems to be playing out right before our eyes. all this talk of nibiru (wormwood) in 2012, only 1 pope left in st malachy's prophecy, war of ezekiel 38 seems to be in preperation stages... and all i can say is: damn thats strange!!

im no believer, nor am i athiest but i certaintly dont consider myself to be a christian. or muslim or jew or hindu or buddhist and so on for the record. isnt strange that these prophecies seem to be playing themselves out???

its not a matter of if, its a matter of when people. a major regional conflict is going to break out. if the worlds powers decide to back their respective sides, it will be world war III. china and russia have spent alot of money in iran. they have alot invested there. and the us does in israel. time will tell i suppose.
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I have noticed almost the same thing, and as I have said before, either the real elites who control most of the world want all these prophecies to occur for whatever reason, or the prophecies are real.

One thing I have noticed, and I know many of you have also noticed the same thing, is that more and more science is showing that "prophecy is true"....

We are in a time when the Solar activity has changed dramatically in ways we never thought it could. The same has happened to Earth's magnetic field.

We are right now in a new region of space where there is more radiation, more charged particles, plasma, and other energies which are transforming the Solar System's dynamics which are affecting Earth and EVERY PLANET in the Solar System.

Earth is not the only planet which has been undergoing Climate change, like the AGW fanatics/believers would have you believe. In fact many other planets, and moons with an atmosphere have undergone more dramatic Climate Changes, and MOSTLY IN THE FORM OF WARMING, than Earth.

Yet people are being brainwashed by the elite to believe that "mankind is to blame", and this falls very well with their attempts to "DEPOPULATE" the Earth....

If people believe that "more humans are bad for Earth" people who fall for these lies will not care if "humans in some other part of the world die"....

After all it is for the good of Earth right?.... Or so CLAIM the Socialist GREEN elites...

The same thing, and worse would be accomplished with a global war.

It is in the interest of the Socialist elites to create war, and conflict to "depopulate" Earth...

But the thing is also that many prophecies seem to be occurring without the help of these rich Socialist elites...

The Solar System is recieving more radiation, and other charged particles than at any time since we started monitoring space weather.

We have seen the Sun create magnetic filaments which normally only exist for a few hours, and are small, yet several very large ones have been forming recently and have lasted several days, and up to a week or more.

There is no mistake, we are in a time period where there will be many changes like the ancientmaya/hopi, and yes even scriptures, and other sacred texts have been telling us.

I believe that there are people who for whatever reason are able to see the future and can communicate with a higher conciousness which is part of all and because of this link some people are able to see the future, and which is why scriptures and prophecies have been coming true.

There seems to be something approaching the Solar System, and I still don't know what it is, yet it has been affecting satellites at first, and recently it has been affecting comets, and even is increasing the distance between the planets and the Sun.

Secular increase of the astronomical unit and perihelion precessions as tests of the Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati multi-dimensional braneworld scenario
Lorenzo Iorio JCAP09(2005)006 doi: 10.1088/1475-7516/2005/09/006


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Lorenzo Iorio
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Abstract. An unexpected secular increase of the astronomical unit, the length scale of the Solar System, has recently been reported by three different research groups (Krasinsky and Brumberg, Pitjeva, Standish). The latest JPL measurements amount to 7 ± 2 m cy−1. At present, there are no explanations able to accommodate such an observed phenomenon, either in the realm of classical physics or in the usual four-dimensional framework of the Einsteinian general relativity. The Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati braneworld scenario, which is a multi-dimensional model of gravity aimed at providing an explanation of the observed cosmic acceleration without dark energy, predicts, among other things, a perihelion secular shift, due to Lue and Starkman, of 5 × 10−4 arcsec cy−1 for all the planets of the Solar System. It yields a variation of about 6 m cy−1 for the Earth–Sun distance which is compatible with the observed rate of change for the astronomical unit. The recently measured corrections to the secular motions of the perihelia of the inner planets of the Solar System are in agreement with the predicted value of the Lue–Starkman effect for Mercury, Mars and, at a slightly worse level, the Earth.

www.iop.org...

This secular increase in the AU/distance between the Sun and planets can only be done by some massive object almost as dense, or even more dense than the Sun.

Scientists have been figuring out what prophecy has said for ages.. There is a massive object, very possibly a death star which seems to be getting closer.

I am not sure if it will pass through the Solar System, but it is getting close enough to cause the Sun to lower it's own activity, and is affecting every planet, including Earth.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The prophecies of the Hopi/Maya, as well as scriptures are unfolding as I write this.

Wormwood/Nibiru seems to be getting close, and it is causing changes in the dynamics of the Solar System which will CONTINUE to change the climate, and will increase the seismic, and magmatic activity of Earth.


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[edit on 20-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

online.wsj.com... nteractive

Israel Weighs Merits of Solo Attack on Iran

an interactive look, very neat

ElectricUniverse, great post! I concur with everything you said, with the exception of the following:

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

I believe that there are people who for whatever reason are able to see the future and can communicate with a higher conciousness which is part of all and because of this link some people are able to see the future, and which is why scriptures and prophecies have been coming true.

Absolutely, prophecies are divinely communicated, but they don't come from "a consciousness which is part of all." The idea that God is a part everything and that all=God, is a dangerous Luciferian philosophy that the occult elite have slowly indoctrinated into our society (i.e Avitar). It is the very doctrine that leads them believe they can become God.

I would submit that Biblical prophecies are fulfilled because they were given by the uniquely individual Almighty God who created the universe, and knew what was going to happen before the world began.

That's not to say that I think every prophecy out there is of God...most psychics are clearly snake oil salesmen who capitalize on others' superstitions.

Just my two cents.

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
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This Middle East War is a must for Islamic-Russian-Chinese alliance as it will weaken the West. Israel is only a scapegoat and they will use her to create a full blown war in the region. Either Israel is forced to strike Iran or they will initiate the attack on Israel. A Middle East War is a requirement for the Third World War because it will weaken the West economically and militarily. This is an advantage the Islamic-Communist Alliance will need in order to instigate chaos in Europe, America and the whole world.
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This is also something that not only prophets have said.

We have had, and still have many former Russian, and even Chinese officials, and high ranking officers who have defected to the west and have spoken of this alliance to defeat the west.

Many people won't remember that a couple of eyars before the "global economic crisis" began the Iranian president was proclaiming that the end of the west, and Israel was at hand.

That the power of the west would diminish soon.

There is an alliance between China, Russia and other countries ALL who are known to have terrorist ties, and this alliance is not only for military, but also economic reasons.

The west has been lulled to sleep with the chess game that CHina, and Russia have been playing against us. And these two countries, among some others are using Islamic countries, and terrorists, as well as the economy to weaken the west and for people to accept a Socialist/Communist world government, headed mainly by China, and Russia.

People should have known this when PUTIN himself went on the record and admitted that the Russian intelligence agencies have been giving intelligence/information to the U.S. since 9/11 that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks against the U.S., and allies.

Russia Warned U.S. About Iraq, Putin Says

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 19, 2004; Page A11

Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Husseins government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country.


Putin, who opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, did not go into detail about the information that was forwarded, and said Russia had no evidence that Hussein was involved in any attacks.

"After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services, the intelligence service, received information that officials from Saddams regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said, according to RIA Novosti, the Russian news agency. "American President George Bush had an opportunity to personally thank the head of one of the Russian special services for this information, which he regarded as very important," the Russian president told an interviewer while in Astana, capital of Kazakhstan.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said yesterday that Russia has provided helpful information in the war on terrorism, but that he was "not aware of any specific threat information we were told" about Iraqi activities before the March 2003 invasion.
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www.washingtonpost.com...


People should have known this when we found out that the Russian government was giving our troop movements to Saddam's regime through Russia's ambassador in Iraq...

Pentagon: Russia fed U.S. war plans to Iraq
Russian official: Report 'unfounded'

Saturday, March 25, 2006; Posted: 7:12 a.m. EST (12:12 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As U.S. troops moved toward Iraq in 2003, Saddam Hussein received intelligence about their battle strategy and troop movements from a Russian ambassador, according to a Pentagon report.

The Russians claimed they obtained the information from sources inside the U.S. Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and conveyed it to Hussein via the Russian ambassador to Iraq, the report said.

Russia dismissed the report on Saturday. "Such unfounded accusations have been voiced regularly," said a Russian spokesman. "We do not see fit to comment on these insinuations." (Watch how the Russians reportedly warned Iraq when the Americans were coming -- 1:18)
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www.cnn.com...


What sort of "friends" would do this?...

and you think the Russian government is no more Communist?...

Why in the world did the Russian POLICE loot Russia's largest Human Rights building and took all files which documented the attrocities done by Stalin...and the Russian government is indoctrinating, and brainwashing their people once more into believing that Stalin did what he did for the good of the motherland....

In Russia, Pulling A Veil Over Stalin's Crimes

British historian Orlando Figes's 2007 book, "The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin's Russia," uses oral histories to delve deeply into the psychological effects on ordinary Soviet citizens of Josef Stalin's crushing dictatorship.

"We were brought up to keep our mouths shut," one woman told Figes about her childhood in the 1930s. "We went through life afraid to talk. Mama used to say that every other person was an informer. We were afraid of our neighbors, and especially of the police.... Even today, if I see a policeman, I begin to shake with fear."

Figes revealed this week that a contract to publish "The Whisperers" in Russian had been canceled by the Attikus publishing house, ostensibly for business reasons. Figes, however, feels the cancellation is connected to recent efforts by the Russian authorities to buff up Stalin's image.

"I take their word for it that it is economic, but I also have my suspicions that, you know, this is not a great time to be publishing books like 'The Whisperers' in Russia because of the current campaign to promote a more positive message in Russia about the Stalin period," Figes says.

Attikus General Director Arkady Vitruk denies that he was under any pressure not to publish the book. He tells RFE/RL's Russian Service the contract was canceled because the company felt it could not make a profit on "The Whisperers."

"No one ever called me and forbade me from publishing any book. We make all these decisions based on our economic expectations or the success of one book or another and on the specifics of our company. That's all," Vitruk says.
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Good Papa Stalin

Even this tenuous openness about the past was short-lived, and after Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000, there were steady efforts to establish Stalin in the public mind as an effective, if ruthless, manager and to downplay his crimes. Last year the presidential administration promoted a teachers guide to Russian history that was intended, according to the authors, to make Russians proud of their history.

"Until recently, Russian history was an object of a propaganda offensive from both inside the country and abroad," historian and co-author of the teacher's guide Aleksandr Filippov told "Rossiiskaya gazeta" in 2007.

"This attack pursued two goals. The first was to prove that in the whole course of its history Russia deserved a place only on the periphery of world politics, that it has no place in the pool of so-called civilized nations. The second one was to prove that Russia, as the successor of a totalitarian regime, is doomed forever to repent for this regime's real or invented crimes," Filippov said.

Also last year, Russian state television organized a competition to determine the "greatest Russian" in history. For much of the scandalous voting, which was widely viewed as being manipulated by the organizers, Stalin was the front-runner, and he ended up in a respectable third place.

Such efforts have yielded their results, in the form of increased national pride and an increasingly positive public perception of Stalin. In this context, there would seem to be no place in Putin's Russia for films like "Katyn" or books like "The Whisperers."
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www.rferl.org...

Moscow plans posters honoring Stalin

March 24, 2010 - 12:38pm

By JIM HEINTZ
Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) - Posters of Josef Stalin may be put up in Moscow for the first time in decades as part of the May 9 observance of Victory Day _ the annual celebration of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

This year, the 65th anniversary of Germany's defeat, a contingent of U.S. troops is expected to march on Red Square, a striking sign of vaunted "reset" of American-Russian relations.

But Moscow city authorities may be preparing a less-welcome kind of reset with the posters, an honor denied since the Soviet dictators crimes were publicly exposed more than half-a-century ago.

The poster proposal for Victory Day, Russia's most emotionally charged secular holiday, has raised a storm of controversy in state-controlled media and once again opened the never-healed wound of Russia's Soviet past.

The debate comes amid rising concern that Stalin is being quietly rehabilitated as memories of his reign of terror fade. Last year, old Soviet national anthem lyrics praising Stalin were restored to a rotunda in a Moscow subway station.
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wtop.com...

The Russian government is once again indoctrinating it's people into believing a monster who caused the murder of over 20 million people to be seen once again as a "hero of the people"....

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

dont be so nieve as to write these events off as "fear mongering" fear saves peoples lives. ignorance kills... there hasnt been this kind of anti-israeli posturing since ive been alive. its almost neccesary for israel to commit to a pre-emptive strike on its neighbors. worst case scenario for a regional conflict would look something like Hezbollah/Hamas/Fatah/Lebanon/Syria/Mahdi Army/Kataib Hezbollah/Hajez Hezbollah/Janjalat/Iran and maybe Jordan and Turkey against Israel and (this is the escalation part) the united states. if the US gets involved, its almost sure to break out into a bigger regional war and that could easily escalate to a world war.. Venezuela and their allies in SA are damn clsoe to Iran and i dont think they would hesitate to attack our interests down there. we are seeing a bolder russia since the 2008 south ossetia war. georgia bet everything that NATO was going to come to the rescue and NATO did nothing... they already feel threatend by our missle sheild prescence in east europe and have made the most of ther arctic claims. I think China has the most to gain from this, tho its more likely if they stay out of the conflict. there is a saying, "dont let a crisis go to waste"

Really? Israel has always been hated since the day it was created. Almost necessary for Israel to strike? They won't anytime soon, not at least they get a full blown attack costing thousands of lives..If you haven't noticed, Israel is common ground for attacks, especially suicide bombings. Harsh words and threats won't trigger them to attack another country...except Palestine.

This is nothing new, so relax. Major war isn't going to break out anytime soon. You can only cry wolf so many times my friend...

[edit on 21-4-2010 by GorehoundLarry]

What sort of "friends" do this?... They are doing it because the Russian government is not Communist anymore"?...

Now, check this out.

With the murder of Russian human rights activist Natalia Estemirova in Chechnya, we look at the Russian-backed despotic regime in Chechnya.

The murder of Russian human rights activist Natalia Estemirova in Chechnya on July 15th was the latest blow in the campaign against those trying to hold the authorities to account for a decade of atrocities in North Caucasus. Natalia was one of the most active members of long-running Russian human rights organisation Memorial, based in the Caucasus. Since Russian forces invaded Chechnya for the second time in recent history in 1999 (Russian Cossacks first invaded over 400 years ago), Natalia had not only documented human rights abuses in the region, but tried to hold the Russian and Chechen authorities to account for their role in the bloodshed.


The recent press release prepared by Natalia, with damning revelations about the brutal Kadyrov regime's new abductions, extrajudicial executions and public shooting of people in a Chechen village, must have been too much even for the Chechen dictator. Head of the Memorial board, Oleg Orlov, pointed the finger squarely at Kadyrov, acting with Russian complicity. “I know for sure who is responsible for the killing of Natalia Estemirova,” he said. “We all know it is Ramzan Kadyrov, president of the Chechen Republic. Ramzan threatened Natalia, insulted her, believed her to be his personal enemy. We don't know whether it was Ramzan himself who ordered Natalia's murder or if his close associates did it to please the ruling authority. President Medvedev seems satisfied to have a murderer as a head of one of Russias republics.”

Natalias murder is the latest in a line of assassinations of people investigating atrocities covered up by the Russian establishment in the region. Three years ago journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered following a campaign of intimidation by the Russian and Chechen authorities (see SchNEWS 569). Following international outrage over the murder of Russias bravest investigative journalist and a perfunctory police investigation, a trial was held earlier this year, at which three men were acquitted. A retrial was recently ordered by the Russian Supreme Court following international pressure.
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www.schnews.co.uk...

The murder of Human Rights activists trying to bring the truth to people about the attrocities committted by the Communist regime being murdered...

The largest Human Rights building looted by Russian authorities to hide the attrocities comitted by Stalin.... and people still think that the Russian regime is not Communist and is not trying to revive Communism once more?....

Originally posted by Afewloosescrews
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Absolutely, prophecies are divinely communicated, but they don't come from "a consciousness which is part of all." The idea that God is a part everything and that all=God, is a dangerous Luciferian philosophy that the occult elite have slowly indoctrinated into our society (i.e Avitar). It is the very doctrine that leads them believe they can become God.
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I don't think this is part of ANY luciferian doctrine... Much has been hidden throughout the ages which was believed for thousands of years...

Christians used to believe in reincarnation....until the church decided to claim it was an "apocryphal teaching" and not part of God's teaching....

God is supposed to be Omnipresent, and Omnipotent...

What does Omnipresent means?... To be everywhere at once.

Didn't Jesus himself say we are all children of God?... what are children but a part of their parents?...

We are not the conciousness that is in everything, we are just a small part of it. A spark of it is in every one of us.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
1. Israelis have distributed gas masks.

Israelis always all have gas masks. Hell, I even have an Israeli issue mask and I'm not even Israeli!

3. Israel is constructing new and renovating thousands of old bomb shelters.

If this was written several years ago it would have read "Israel has built a massive defensive wall in perparation of the conflict...

4. Israel is threatening a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s nuclear sites.

Granted, although they have been for quite some time. Just trying to keep this all down to earth is all.

5. Iran could have a nuclear bomb within eighteen months.

Thats what they said years ago...

6. Syria is now thought to have the most powerful scud missiles in the world.

And Israel has 200-300 nukes!

7. Syria has reportedly shipped scud missiles to Hezbollah.
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11. Hezbollah and Syria reportedly have chemical weapons.
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14. Hamas reportedly has rockets that can reach Israel’s nuclear reactor in Dimona.

"Reportedly" huh?

8. Syria has threatened to attack major Israeli cities in the event of war.

Iran has been saying roughly the same thing for years, in the context of if we/they attack Iran there will be consequences.

9. Hezbollah has declared that it can wipe out one-half of Israel’s army.

Kind of how Iran threatens to wipe them off the map? He was talking about the nation-state known as Israel, which doesnt inherently mean war. In following up on the #9 claim, I saw similar rhetoric from your others in your little axis of evil, but what I didnt see was any sources for this claim, nor did Google turn up much.

10. Hezbollah has been training for hand to hand combat inside Israeli cities.

Um, what else would you expect paramilitary type forces to do when they train?

12. Hezbollah has stockpiled over 50,000 rockets.

That couldn't possibly be for DEFENSE could it?

13. Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are within rocket reach of Israel’s enemies.

The entire planet is likely to be within nuclear ICBM reach from Israel.

so i think its fairly obvious that war is afoot in the mid east. a major regional war that could erupt into world war III considering the economic health of the world.

I grew concerned of the historical pattern of major busts, and then world war. But what I dont see is how the ongoing drama in the middle east has anything to do with the current economic crisis.

no mater how biased i am towards christians, i do find the prophecies of st. malachy and the popes interesting, i find revalations interesting, and i find gog and magog interesting.. thing is. all this seems to be playing out right before our eyes.

Check out: Self-fulfilling prophecy.

all this talk of nibiru (wormwood)...

...is speculative nonsense!

in 2012,

There exist absolutely NOTHING historical stating what the meaning of 2012 is!

im no believer,

Then today is your lucky day, as you wont have to worry too much about these particular issues. It's just too bad there are other more concrete hellish scenarios that demand front and center attention.

its not a matter of if, its a matter of when people.

As long as there are humans around, war will be inevitable at all times. What's new?

china and russia have spent alot of money in iran. they have alot invested there. and the us does in israel.

I'm not even saying that war will not happen there, nor that it would NOT amount to World War 4, but what exactly do you expect anyone to do about it? Protesting against war wont do it. Only protesting against all of these corrupt governments, and changing them will. But spotlighting attention on the ongoing melodrama in the Middle East is precisely the wrong way to bring about the change needed that would also stop this sort of crisis. And even if you do convince people that its all some sort of mystical prophecy all you will succeed in doing is getting them to freeze up and assume there is nothing that can be done about much of anything.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Oh well if war breaks out this time in the middle east it won't be just a regional event it will go global. and this means the countries like the US who are not used to this will experience a whole new world. I think we should advise people to prepare for a long summer. It indeed will be a dark one.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Many people won't remember that a couple of eyars before the "global economic crisis" began the Iranian president was proclaiming that the end of the west, and Israel was at hand.

That the power of the west would diminish soon.

Good to see you buddy, but here we have to disagree...

This has been debunked so long ago that it still blows me away every time I hear it repeated:LINK

There is an alliance between China, Russia and other countries ALL who are known to have terrorist ties, and this alliance is not only for military, but also economic reasons.

THen that would mean that the U.S. is the center kingpin of it all, as the worlds #1 sponser of international terrorism.

The west has been lulled to sleep with the chess game that CHina, and Russia have been playing against us.

I do have to agree, to a certain extent. You participated in my Gorbachev Exposes Global Communist Environmentalism Conspiracy, but you missed out on my When All World Rulers Call for Global NWO thread from about the same time.

The world is poised for a global dictatorship based on a cruel hybridization of communism and fascism. The people who run the international central banking institutions such as the Federal Reserve and the Euro Bank are the ones behind it. All of the worlds tyrannical mega-elites, in effect have shared interests in this effort.

Virtually all of the rest of this, this entire issue and others like it are all smoke and mirrors designed to ploy us all into us vs. them tribalistic group think to keep us distracted from the real puppeteers behind it all. The people behind this threat of global communism and global war are the same ones who own print the money in all of our pockets, pretty much no matter what nation you live in. The war has in effect already been lost, and now its time to see the real enemy and begin the first 'counter attack', metaphorically speaking.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

reply to post by TheCoffinman


So...which country should we send our FEMA coffins to?

Slovakia, Singapore, Switzerland, India, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Poland, or Korea?

Or, is it politically incorrect of me to inquire as the timing is as yet premature?

Your psychic forgot to list America's coming very dangerous future. Is it because that will not happen or is it because he's not that good of a psychic?

I'm not trying to be catty, I really do want to know.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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...is speculative nonsense!

Is it?... Then what in the world has caused the increase in the distance between the Sun and the planets which cannot be explained by any of the models we "thought were correct" until now?...

what is causing comets to arrive earlier now, and has been affecting before satellites like Pioneer?...

Something people "imagined"?...

Sorry friend, but you are wrong.

There is a massive dense body out there which is getting closer and is causing all of this. Nothing else can cause the planets to increase their distance from the Sun... It has to be a massive body, or at least very dense...

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
There exist absolutely NOTHING historical stating what the meaning of 2012 is!

My friend, you are once again wrong.

It is a known fact that Hopi/Maya prophecy talk about this, as well as other scriptures.

We are in a time period where many changes are occurring because of what is happening to the Solar System.

I know some people love to believe "it is all a coincidence", but there are no coincidences.

Even NASA and ESA have stated that there is not only an increase in radiation, but interstellar dust is increasing exponentially and entering the Solar System, and this interstellar cloud will increase in density until about 2012...

The thing is, as it has been explained so many times by those of us who know, 2012 is not "an end time date"...

The Earth will continue to exist, there are more changes coming, and they won't end in 2012.

In reality the Hopi prophecy states that from the time of the passing of the blue star, which was comet Holmes which became almost a million times brighter than it was, and became the biggest object in the Solar System in 2007 was/is the Blue Star Katchina.

Hopi Prophecy and the Comet Holmes, "Blue Kachina"

From: Richard Moore

Date: 23 Dec 2007

Subject: Hopi Prophecy and the Comet Holmes, "Blue Kachina"

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Comet Holmes Bigger Than The Sun



Summary



Formerly, the Sun was the largest object in the Solar System. Now, comet 17P/Holmes holds that distinction.



Spectacular outbursting comet 17P/Holmes exploded in size and brightness on October 24. It continues to expand and is now the largest single object in the Solar system, being bigger than the Sun (see Figure). The diameter of the tenuous dust atmosphere of the comet was measured at 1.4 million kilometers (0.9 million miles) on 2007 November 9 by Rachel Stevenson, Jan Kleyna and Pedro Lacerda of the University of Hawaii Institute for Astronomy. They used observations from a wide-field camera on the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope (CFHT), one of the few professional instruments still capable of capturing the whole comet in one image. Other astronomers involved in the UH program to study the comet include Bin Yang, Nuno Peixinho and David Jewitt. The present eruption of comet Holmes was first reported on October 24 and has continued at a steady 0.5 km/sec (1100 mph) ever since. The comet is an unprecedented half a million times brighter than before the eruption began. This amazing eruption of the comet is produced by dust ejected from a tiny solid nucleus made of ice and rock, only 3.6 km (roughly 2.2 miles) in diameter.
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cyberjournal.org...

The Blue Star is seen as fairly benign in itself. The Hopi prophecy also speaks of a Red Star that will follow later. This is seen as more malignant and the harbinger of far more radical and intense unpleasant changes.

As an interesting aside I first published this article on the 22/11/07 and it was pretty obscure. Since then we see it springing up on sites and Blogs all around the net. Either you heard it from me first or a whole lot of us intuitives received a cosmic message at about the same time. Either answer blows my mind!
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2012rising.com...


The Hopi prophecy says that after the Blue star passes, a RED star will come, and will bring much destruction and transformation. This is supposed to happen around 7 years after the Blue Star Kachina makes it's appearance, which was in October 2007.

The changes and transformation is supposed to have started since the appearance of the Blue Star Kachina, and will become worse after the appearance of the Red Star.

Scientists are now LOOKING for that red Star/dead star.



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Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Good to see you buddy, but here we have to disagree...

This has been debunked so long ago that it still blows me away every time I hear it repeated:LINK

That's what many leftists would want you to believe, but it is not the truth.

Ahmadinejad: Iran will "bring down" Western foes

(Reuters) - Newly re-elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday his next government "would bring down the global arrogance," signaling a tougher approach by Tehran toward the West after last month's disputed election.

World

Ahmadinejad, in his first provincial trip after the June 12 presidential vote, said Iran's enemies had tried to interfere and foment aggression in the country, referring to mass opposition protests against the official election result.

The hardline president, who often rails against the West, said the Islamic Republic wanted "logic and negotiations" but that Western powers had insulted the Iranian nation and should apologize.

Iranian leaders often refer to the United States and its allies as the "global arrogance."

"As soon as the new government is established, with power and authority, ten times more than before, it will enter the global scene and will bring down the global arrogance," he told a big crowd in the northeastern city of Mashhad.

"They should wait as a new wave of revolutionary thinking ... from the Iranian nation is on the way and we will not allow the arrogant (powers) to even have one night of good sleep," Ahmadinejad said, according to state broadcaster IRIB.

Opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi, Ahmadinejad's main challenger in the election, says it was rigged in the incumbent's favor. The authorities reject charges of vote fraud.

Iran has accused Britain and the United States, which have criticised a crackdown on opposition protests, of interfering in its internal affairs. London and Washington reject the charge.

"In this recent election the enemy tried to bring the battlefront to the interior of this country," Ahmadinejad said.

"But I have told the enemies ... that this nation ... will strike you in the face so hard you will lose your way home," he said in comments translated by English-language Press TV.

He also voiced continued defiance in a row over Iran's disputed nuclear ambitions, saying major powers "will not be able to take away the smallest amount of Iran's rights."
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www.reuters.com...


Why have many ambassodors left when ONCE AGAIN the Iranian president has spoken against ISrael, and the west in general?

Ahmadinejad prompts walkout from U.N. racism summit

(Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad prompted a rare walk-out at the United Nations on Monday when he called Israel a "cruel and repressive racist regime" in his remarks to a conference on race.

World

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon deplored the address which prompted dozens of delegates to leave their seats, further undermining the summit which some Western powers including the United States are boycotting.

"It was a very troubling experience for me as secretary-general," he told a news conference at the day's end. "I have not seen, experienced, this kind of disruptive proceedings of the assembly, the conference, by any one member state. It was a totally unacceptable situation."

Washington announced on Saturday it would sit out the Geneva forum on fears it would be dominated by unfair criticism against Israel. Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, Poland and the Netherlands then followed suit.
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www.reuters.com...

Tehran Threatens West With Homicide Attacks


TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.

Dr. Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 Western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.
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www.foxnews.com...

Ahmadinejad Threatens West: Convert Or Else

Published by AJStrata at 10:40 am under All General Discussions, Iran

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems to be signalling Iran is ready to begin it Jim Jones march to martyrdom:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Western leaders to follow the path of God or “vanish from the face of the earth”.

“These oppressive countries are angry with us … a nation that on the other side of the globe has risen up and proved the shallowness of their power,” Ahmadinejad said in a speech in the northern town of Ramsar, the semi-official news agency Mehr reported Wednesday.

“They are angry with our nation. But we tell them so be it and die from this anger. Rest assured that if you do not respond to the divine call, you will die soon and vanish from the face of the earth,” he said.
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www.breitbart.com...

I know that many leftists want people to believe the Iranian president is good and has never threatened anyone, but that is not true.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
THen that would mean that the U.S. is the center kingpin of it all, as the worlds #1 sponser of international terrorism.

I am sorry, but how does the existance of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization makes the U.S. the #1 sponsor of terrorism?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The world is poised for a global dictatorship based on a cruel hybridization of communism and fascism. The people who run the international central banking institutions such as the Federal Reserve and the Euro Bank are the ones behind it. All of the worlds tyrannical mega-elites, in effect have shared interests in this effort.
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At least we do agree to some extent with one thing.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Is it?... Then what in the world has caused the increase in the distance between the Sun and the planets which cannot be explained by any of the models we "thought were correct" until now?...

what is causing comets to arrive earlier now, and has been affecting before all this satellites like Pioneer?...

I'd need some citations for all of that. Thing is, if its supposed to be here in less than 2 years why cant we see it yet? How fast is it going / what its velocity?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
There exist absolutely NOTHING historical stating what the meaning of 2012 is!

It is a known fact that Hopi/Maya prophecy talk about this, as well as other scriptures.

The Hopi's have passed down wise tales, not historically preserved scriptures.

Same goes with the Mayan's, all we have to go by is a calendar that doesnt technically end in 2012. Thats it. Period. And modern Mayans dont even think anything is supposed to happen in 2012.

We are in a time period where many changes are occurring because of what is happening to the Solar System.

Forgive me, but I wasn't aware of anything happening to the solar system that isn't related to the global warming controversy.

Even NASA and ESA have stated that there is not only an increase in radiation, but interstellar dust is increasing exponentially and entering the Solar System, and this interstellar cloud will increase in density until about 2012...

I'm going to have to see this, as last time I noticed (not too long ago) NASA claimed there wasnt any evidence of a "Niburu". Not that I trust NASA for much of anything.

The Earth will continue to exist, there are more changes coming, and they won't end in 2012.

As we know from global warming etc, the earth is always changing.

In reality the Hopi prophecy states that from the time of the passing of the blue star, which was comet Holmes which became almost a million times brighter than it was, and became the biggest object in the Solar System in 2007 was/is the Blue Star Katchina.

From what ancient document is this prophecy read? Searching for "Blue Star Katchina" I found mainly only Hopi prophecy sites, and this one 'prophecy' sounded off:

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron." (railroad tracks) www.angelfire.com...

That's odd. Use of iron by native tribes was so rare until 'white man' showed up that very few would even have a clue what the elder would have been speaking of.

Comet Holmes Bigger Than The Sun
Spectacular outbursting comet 17P/Holmes exploded in size and brightness on October 24. It continues to expand and is now the largest single object in the Solar system, being bigger than the Sun (see Figure).

Maybe this could explain the other things you were talking about?

This entire issue would have consequence if and only if it could be proven that this was said well in advance of the event.

I would only say about China that as long as we (the United States) don't get too involved in Taiwan or conflict with North Korea.. China would remain neutral on Iran.. of course that is only my opinion.. they stand to gain more by staying neutral.

Who cares? Really? All you guys do is talk and talk about how war or economic collapse is around the corner. People have been saying this for decades not just months. Nothing has happened and people have died thinking that the world was going to end tomorrow when in reality their world ended the moment they decided to live in fear. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with being prepared. But unless your planning to move to the mountains and live completely off the grid your wasting your life living in fear of the end of the world. Either deal with it when it happens or move to the hills and stop crying.

Because there is nothing else you all can do about it. Your all slaves like the rest of us. We have no say in it. The definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different result.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

I don't think this is part of ANY luciferian doctrine...

Which leads me to believe you have never read any of Helena Blavatsky or Alice Bailey's writings...the idea of an "all-being" or the collective universe (including God himself) as one is pervasive to both. Additionally, I must note that in the writings of both authors Lucifer is recognized as their master and savior.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Christians used to believe in reincarnation....until the church decided to claim it was an "apocryphal teaching" and not part of God's teaching....

Not sure where you got your information, but the earliest Christians (Jesus' disciples and the apostles of the New Testament) most definitely did not believe in, nor did they teach reincarnation. Their teachings are some of the most published writings in history (the New Testament), so it shouldn't be too difficult to find out what they truly believed.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
God is supposed to be Omnipresent, and Omnipotent...

What does Omnipresent means?... To be everywhere at once.

Correct. To be everywhere at once, not everything at once.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Didn't Jesus himself say we are all children of God?... what are children but a part of their parents?...

The term “Son of God” refers preeminently to Jesus Christ’s deity (Matt. 11:25-27; 16:16-17). He alone is one in substance and glory with God the Father. Believers in Christ, although “adopted” are never on a par with the uncreated, divine Son of God. The apostle Paul further elaborates what it means to be "adopted" sons and daughters of God in the book of Romans.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
We are not the conciousness that is in everything, we are just a small part of it. A spark of it is in every one of us.

Point and case....Blavatsky couldn't have said it better.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Good to see you buddy, but here we have to disagree...

This has been debunked so long ago that it still blows me away every time I hear it repeated:LINK

That's what many leftists would want you to believe, but it is not the truth.

If you review the wikipedia section I linked it shows how grossly the 'most daming' of his statements was (deliberately) mis-translated and spun into the war propaganda machine by the same talking head newscorps you cited in your response. And attacking Israel only to get nuked isn't going to end 'western powers'. Since "we" overthrew their government in 1953, and so on, and then now today are arrogent and etc as he honestly said in your articles, what else would you expect?

Tehran Threatens West With Homicide Attacks
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

If that's true, what would you expect them to do in a hopeless war to defend themselves? Suicide 'terrorism' is virtually always an act of desperation. Sort of like them saying there will eb blodd if they're attacked is what you'd expect anybody to say when be threatened with attack. When stating there will be a counter attack in reponse to threatened foreign attack, it isnt actually threatening attack. It's called deterence....

I know that many leftists want people to believe the Iranian president is good and has never threatened anyone, but that is not true.

He's a flake, and part of a dictatorship, but the fact is neither he nor Iran has ever attacked their own neighbors.

The fact is the US alone has had special forces in the Iran 'painting targets' and so on, CIA operatives inside trying to overthrow the government, and AL Qaeda linked terrorist cells carrying out attacks within the state... invaded 2 of their border nations with bases in the rest and several supercarrier fleets of shore... all for several years now. He's lucky they haven't throw him out for being spineless quite frankly. I beg to know, what would you have your president say in such a situation?

I am sorry, but how does the existance of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization makes the U.S. the #1 sponsor of terrorism?

Please enlighten me. Last I checked the US is the global hegemonic empire... has been involved with terrorist operations including overthrowing numerous governments for at least 60 years... the founding of Islamic terrorism as we know it today... global scale fear mongering psyop campaigns... aggresiveness while weilding nukes (that "we've" used before)... and more and more...

You can't expect the "Right" (or "Left") to be right about EVERYTHING. The Left has their side of the diversionary propaganda, and the Right has theirs. You found the right way with all that global warming nonsense, and well in reality the Dem's are all just as much as part of global imperialism (they just dont play much lip service to it).

PS: Sure, many "Leftists" argue against US imperialism, but so do most libertarian minded people, and we also see thru the BS of the Left.

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