Originally posted by pieman
muslim nutjobs and jewchristian zionists both believe that
a) armageddon is coming
b) the messiah will be born on their side at some late stage of war.
c) this messiah will be almost the only one left alive after the coming war
d) there are no good or evil actions, only good or evil sides and their side is good.
e) god wants them to create and deploy weapons that will totally destroy the other, evil, side.
f) even if their side/people/country is totally annihilated, god will raise them from the dead to a perfect world as a reward for their actions.
you don't need to be a prophet to realise that this is a catastrophic path to be on.
these predictions differ from most of the other ones that have ever been muttered in that humanity seems to have both the will and the means to make
the whole thing self-fulfilling.
the percentage chance of a predictive hit seems terrifyingly high.
[edit on 20/4/10 by pieman]
You can call me a nut job but I can give you my perception from the view of an christian. I came to to conclusion about 3 years ago that there are
more to this christian prophecies that might appear at first thought and appearance. I have been delving into all information to get a clear picture
and in the process made up my mind what I think about all this. In my opinion there is merit in all this. I have researched a lot and as a skeptic
person satisfied with the information I found and how everything ties together: the bible, religions and most of the major players on the scene like
the Powers that be (PTB).
I differ from your statements made and would like to enlighten you from a christian point of view where I differ in order broaden scope of
perspective. I respect your view and this is just to show what the perspective would be from a christian point of view. Since this is a wide area of
interest, and lots of different opinions exist even in the christian point of view I expect some christian's might feel different about it than I do,
but I expect this would be the broader view:
a) I agree, I believe it would be in our lifetime.
b) The Messiah was already born. The Jews did not accept Him first time round. In their point of view it will be His first appearance. He will not
be born again since it already happened about 2000 years ago.
c) The Messiah will only have died once to redeem everyone who believed in his death and redemption process. He will never die ever again. His
initial purpose after being born was to tell the world of the Father in the trinity-aspect of God and His love, and then to die to reconcile the
people of the world with God.
According to the Revelation of John in the Bible, about a quarter of the world (1/4 of about 6.7 billion at the current population levels ) will die
in Judgment of God during the 7 year tribulation period before the Messiah returns (7 X 360 days (there are 360 days in the Jewish year))
d) You are right, there are 2 side to all of this. As time goes along people will take sides. By not accepting the redemption process of Jesus, you
are automatically assigned to opposite side.
e) Your point is not true. In the final battle of Armageddon, Jesus will slay all opponents by merely speaking against them. This is difficult to
imagine, but from a christian point of view this is how the whole creation started, by God speaking it into existence.
f) At the end of the 7 years of tribulation Jesus will return for the battle of Armageddon. Accompanying him will be every person who loved God before
Jesus was born, and all the Christians who have died since he died up to that point. Including in this group would be Christians who was still alive
at the point of the rapture (a point where all Christians alive will be gathered on the clouds to meet Jesus and who will remain in Heaven until the 7
years tribulation have passed). At the end of age after Armageddon, there will be 1000 years of peace with Jesus as King.