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Originally posted by Alethea
In Genesis 11, the Lord comes down to see the city and the tower that the people have built. The Lord speaks to his cohorts "well, now they all have one language and this is what they do!"
(Was this really a singular verbal language, or could it be a metaphor that they were all of one mind? Wasn't it their intention to build this tower in order to reach God? Why did this God not want to be reached or known?)
What the Lord said next seems to be disturbing. In Genesis 11:6 the Lord says "if they succeed with this nothing they undertake to do will be impossible." In other words, with this type of unity the people could accomplish anything!
Why were these gods afraid of people being unifed and peaking into the heavens to try to know god?
Is this not the very thing we are doing now? We have babelfish to translate most any language. So not only do we have "one language" many of us are unified in one accord to seek answers. Towers power our communication network.
Why would the Lord not want a unified people that could accomplish great things? Why did this Lord and his cohorts feel so threatened that they destroyed the unity of the people?
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by Lucifer84
PS:
The serpent gave us free will not God, but who knows if he was planning to do it at some point and the serpent beat him to it.....The Great deception?
there is a big difference between encouraging or deceiving someone into practicing free will, and giving free will
This is from The King James version from 1611.
11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower,
whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name,
lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which
the children of men builded.
11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they
have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now
nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined
to do.
11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language,
that they may not understand one an other's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face
of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
That to me says God scattered us because we are no longer bound by anything that keeps us from achieving the unimaginable.
They say let us go down and stop them.
My question is why ? Why is it so obvious and clear we are not allowed to
After eating the forbidden fruit there is said.
3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of
us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Man has become one of God ? He knows knowledge. What would a man do that lives forever ? He will eventualy gain enough knowledge to stand up to 'them'?
It looks to me that for a reason that is not known. Everything is done to prevent us from the unimaginable. To become a threat to them.
Well that's just where my thoughts go.
11:6 If.... then: If the whole human race remained united in the proud attempt to take its destiny into its own hands and by its self centered efforts to seize the reins of history, there would be no limit to its unrestrained rebellion against God. A godless human kingdom would displace and exclude the kingdom of God.
The Narrative in its present form suggests that civilization, which seeks to bring order out of cultural, economic, and political choas, can become an end in itself, thus amounting to rebellion against God and resulting in self defeat. In Gen. Man's will to be like God. (vs 6 ; cf. 3:5-6; 6:2-4) has ended in separation from God, a return to choas in the Flood, and an alienation among men which makes communication and cooperation between them extremely difficult if not impossible. Having treated the problem of human origins, the authors now offer an interpretation of history which speaks to man knowing himself as "a possibility entrapped in failure but yearning toward the long light." (John Ciardi).
Originally posted by Jordan River
Heres a short narrative from "The interpreter's one volume commentary on the bible"
The Narrative in its present form suggests that civilization, which seeks to bring order out of cultural, economic, and political choas, can become an end in itself, thus amounting to rebellion against God and resulting in self defeat. In Gen. Man's will to be like God. (vs 6 ; cf. 3:5-6; 6:2-4) has ended in separation from God, a return to choas in the Flood, and an alienation among men which makes communication and cooperation between them extremely difficult if not impossible. Having treated the problem of human origins, the authors now offer an interpretation of history which speaks to man knowing himself as "a possibility entrapped in failure but yearning toward the long light." (John Ciardi).
The temple of Bêl, the Babylonian Zeus [...] was still in existence in my time. It has a solid central tower, one stadium square, with a second erected on top of it and then a third, and so on up to eight. All eight towers can be climbed by a spiral way running round the outside, and about half way up there are seats for those who make the ascent to rest on. On the summit of the topmost tower stands a great temple with a fine large couch in it, richly covered, and a golden table beside it. The shrine contains no image, and no one spends the night there except (if we may believe that Chaldaeans who are the priests of Bêl) one Babylonian woman, all alone, whoever it may be that the god has chosen. The Chaldaeans also say -though I do not believe them- that the god enters the temple in person and takes his rest upon the bed.
Originally posted by satanictemple
reply to post by Alethea
The Yahweh-led elohim were concerned with the same thing they were concerned with in the opening chapters of Genesis: that humans would realize their innate divinity, and their ability to "be like gods." This is one reason I worship Satan as my Lord, not the slave-driver, Yahweh.
Originally posted by satanictemple
Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by Lucifer84
PS:
The serpent gave us free will not God, but who knows if he was planning to do it at some point and the serpent beat him to it.....The Great deception?
there is a big difference between encouraging or deceiving someone into practicing free will, and giving free will
Free will is an evolutionary development as far as it exists. There is some mixture of Fate and free will working together. However, Yahweh cloaks the extent of free will we actually have, as well as blinding us to our innate divinity, whereas Satan has always told us exactly what is true.
Originally posted by satanictemple
Free will is an evolutionary development as far as it exists. There is some mixture of Fate and free will working together. However, Yahweh cloaks the extent of free will we actually have, as well as blinding us to our innate divinity, whereas Satan has always told us exactly what is true.
Originally posted by Jordan River
I wanted to point out the greatness of ignorance. Most of all of you live a life of toil and misery. You work for your government to feed, cloth and house yourself until you die. Plus you pay taxes and on top of that you have to pay bills. Remember what it was like as a 5 year old? Remember how carefree. If that's ignorance i'll take that anyday
Originally posted by Lucifer84
Lucifer is mis-understood IMO - no suprise with my avatar & username
EDIT to add: Lucifer tried to let us know what we were all about, was punished by Yahweh and then his character attacked. What would be a better way to cover up a truth than to install fear into those who dare to listen, and call him the deciever, Satan, Devil etc...(Adam & Eve cast out of Eden)