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What would happen if Satan repented?

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Well, "satan"only exists in the mind of man.

Animals don't think of good and evil,darkness and light.

Only human's that have learned and been instructed in the religious theory of the concept do.

Does "satan" exist in the minds of millions of humans that have no concept of "god"?

I doubt it.




posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
What would seriously happen if satan repented to God and asked for forgiveness? Would God forgive him and be welcomed into heaven? What would happen to the others who had died and went to hell? Would humanity on earth be effected?


Im curious on what some of thme most religious spectators have to say...


Satan will never repent, for he sees Yahweh as Yahweh really is: a god who keeps humankind in perpetual slavery. Satan is the hero of the biblical story. He is the One who desires for humans to reach their full divine potential. Yahweh is always keeping humans down. Satan wants to bring humans to an awareness of who they really are - gods. If Satan repented, the human world would literally end, I believe, for we would lose all consciousness and become pure automatons.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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This is what we are here for to give him his last chance to free this universe. If he did repent everything till when he tainted humanity would be reversed in such a way the LIFE AND DEATH AND EXISTANCE would be effected but he is to rebellious and stubborn an angel to do so. This is his final chance and interesting that you O.P. THOUGHT OF IT, not easy to comprehend or even consider. s&f WHEN APPROACHED I HOPE HE DOES!!!!!!!!!



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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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All the people in heaven will be saying, there goes the neighborhood!

It's an interesting question to ponder even if you don't believe in heaven or hell.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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This was the basic story theme of the film DOGMA.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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This was the basic story theme of the film DOGMA.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Theres a bible verse that says God gives all his creations the benefit of the doubt. But who knows.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by airvicemarshal
This was the basic story theme of the film DOGMA.


Nah not quite. DOGMA was about two angels that were cast from heaven who were going to try to use some biblical loophole, along with divine blood, which was the girl who was a supposed "direct descendant" of Jesus, to be allowed back into the kingdom of God.

Total nonsense. Just for entertainment.

Never did understand the humor of that movie...



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
What would seriously happen if satan repented to God and asked for forgiveness? Would God forgive him and be welcomed into heaven? What would happen to the others who had died and went to hell? Would humanity on earth be effected?


Amazing questions!

Not only would humanity on Earth be affected, all of time and space would be affected. The very fabric of the universe would be changed, turned inside out in ways not compatible with God's plan, with the Necessity.

Satan is also known as the father of lies and God knows this. God knows all of our hearts, human, angel and demon. He knows if we are genuine or not and He knows His enemies and what drives them. Repentance is not in Satan's nature. Repentance involves humility, acceptance and then voluntary release of the flawed self.

Satan is an addict. He hungers to subsume human light. He does not want reconciliation with God, he believes he can turn things around, pursuade humanity to choose the darkness and relinquish our light, so that at the time of fruition, the outcome is the one that gives him domain over the changed All. Satan seeks to punish God for gifting Humanity with free will, which is denied to angels.

Satan has no power over who God retrieves from hell.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by teapot

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
Repentance is not in Satan's nature. Repentance involves humility, acceptance and then voluntary release of the flawed self.


then how do you explain Satan's obedience to God in the bible, especially in the book of Job?
that would require alot of repentance and acceptance on Satan's part IF he is how you describe him to be.. IF he's actually a being ..



Satan is an addict. He hungers to subsume human light. He does not want reconciliation with God, he believes he can turn things around, pursuade humanity to choose the darkness and relinquish our light, so that at the time of fruition, the outcome is the one that gives him domain over the changed All. Satan seeks to punish God for gifting


so funny to observe and study the absolute neurosis that religious books can create in individuals.
just because a book is popular.. the pack mentality sinks in, people do what the person next to them is doing, follow the leader.. and hypnotically absorb the information as absolute fact... characters and all.. as actual reality.

it is simply amazing.

to take a book as rich and deep as the bible is in allegory and metaphor, and watch fools like this preach about the characters like they're in some hollywood action movie.. is truly a spectacle to look down upon and witness from the vantage point of wisdom.

have fun in superstitious pretend land, man.. good luck with that lol..
(homey took the screenplay a bit too serious)


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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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The early Christian theologist Origen believed that Satan would eventually repent. I think some of the Gnostic religions held this view too, but I'm not entirely sure.

Origen is an interesting character...he's not officially considered a heretic by most Christian denominations, but a lot of his ideas were certainly very different from modern Christianity. He's probably about as close as "straight" Christian thought can get to the border of Gnosticism without tipping over.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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He Can't.
He Won't.
With his tempting the original humans into sin, he sealed his destiny and fate, this is now predetermined by God.

His destiny is death after the thousand year reign of Christ.

It's rule or ruin for him.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Correct: Fate is sealed, he has gone to far.

Research "Azazel" and "Semjaza" and the Watchers.... They sent Enoch to beg God to forgive them but they had caused so much destruction and damage that God had to destroy the earth (The Great Flood) to take out the Nephilim (half breed superhuman angel / men) which are the "giant or legends" of old mentioned in the bible.

The Watchers and Nephilim set themselves up as Gods and Legends (Maybe even the deities and legends of myth). See the Book of Enoch.

Here is some internet babble about it. The Book of Enoch has been translated and reads pretty clear though there is some conjecture on Azazel... if he was a Watcher or Spawn of a Watcher.

www.bitterwaters.com...

The Account of the Watchers in 1 Enoch

The main passages in 1 Enoch describing the fall of the Watchers encompass chapters 6 through 8. These
rather brief chapters are listed in their entirety below. Chapter 6 reveals how the Watchers saw the beauty
of the daughters of men, and how they purposed to descend to earth, have sexual relations, and beget
children with them. Semjaza, the leader of the Watchers, met with his brethren upon mount Hermon, and He
initiated an oath among all that they would go in unto the women and to take for themselves wives. Verse 3
explains that Semjaza extracted this oath because he feared his fellow Watchers would abandon their plan
after he had committed some “great sin”, and he alone would end up paying the penalty. What this great sin
is unspecified. One may suppose that it was the act of sexually going unto a woman, but why Semjaza would
have to act before his compatriots is unclear from. Based just on the text of 1 Enoch, the exact nature of the
great sin Semjaza had to commit must remain at least a partial mystery. However, as we shall see, a
complete analysis of all available material suggest that Semjaza had to sexually mate with Lilith before he
and the other Watchers could mate and bear seed with the daughters of Adam.

Chapter 7 reveals the Watchers did as they pledged upon Mount Hermon. They went unto women and bare
giants with them. These giants spread, and began to devour and displace mankind upon the earth. It is at
this point that Azazel suddenly appears for the first time. 1 Enoch 8:1-2 reveals that Azazel taught men the
art of war and women the ways of harlotry. Because of him there arose much ungodliness. Azazel’s
corruption of man apparently greatly exceeded that of any Watcher, even that of Semjaza, who is listed after
Azazel. Only three words are used to describe Semjaza’s feats in corrupting man. This is in contrast to the
two whole verses dedicated to Azazel’s acts.

1 Enoch 6– 8 (translated by R. H. Charles)

6:1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and
comely daughters.
2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us
choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3. And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall
have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to
abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon,
and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
7. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel,
Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel.
8. These are their chiefs of tens.
7:1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began
to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the
cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants.
2 And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells:
3. They consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them,
4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink
the blood.
6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
8:1. And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the
metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the
beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures.
2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt
in all their ways.
3. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught)
astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel
the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon.
4. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven


Much can be said about these critical chapters in 1 Enoch. But first compare these passages against their
counterparts in Genesis.

The Parallel Account of the Watchers in Genesis 6
The only direct mention in the Tanach of the events involving the Watchers comes in Ge 6:1-8. Those
passages provide a very brief summary of events that are expounded in greater detail in 1 Enoch. As
we shall see, the two accounts in 1 Enoch and Genesis are in complete harmony. Verses 1 and 2 of
Ge 6 reveal that as man began to populate the earth and have daughters, the Beni Elohiym ("sons of
God") saw that these women were fair, and they took them for wives. These Beni Elohiym are generally
acknowledged by most scholars to be angels , although various other explanations have been put forth
with little success . I hold that Beni Elohiym referring to angels in Ge 6 can be firmly established from
the term’s other usages in the Tanach. Every time Beni Elohiym is used in the Tanach, it clearly refers
to angels.

Ge 6:1-9 (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they
chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an
hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in
unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old,
men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of
his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast,
and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked
with God.




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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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There is no Satan. Satan is a human-made concept. It's just something humans "invented" to find blame for while not finding themselves to blame for.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by sphinx551
There is no Satan. Satan is a human-made concept. It's just something humans "invented" to find blame for while not finding themselves to blame for.


this is not a very well thought out reply.

I wasnt asking for people's opinion in religion or their faith, I was just pondering upon the characters and individuals that the bible reads.

Satan or no Satan. I do not care for your personal view on his existence but the effect upon the story of the bible if he would repent, how would it change things.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Hmm, a lot of you people can't comprehend the concept of "What if".

But if he did, and god forgave him, evil would disappear right?
and all souls in hell, would they be forgiven, and given passage into heaven?
and how would WE be affected?
Would we be relieved of sin?

even though I don't believe, a thing to ponder is a thing to ponder.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
That will never happen.

To know first hand the power of God, and reject him is unforgivable.

Forgiveness is reserved for man. Satan is a fallen angel. The same rules do not apply.


Can I ask why you religious followers always talk about your gods like their *Snip* doesn't stink?

Seriously - I always see this. Do you not see something wrong with that?

Allah's the best (/sarcasm). This guy puts himself on such a pedestal, it's sickening that people still worship him. Him and Yahweh - both incredibly egotistical.

Mod Edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors – Please Review This Link.

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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
What would seriously happen if satan repented to God and asked for forgiveness? Would God forgive him and be welcomed into heaven? What would happen to the others who had died and went to hell? Would humanity on earth be effected?


Im curious on what some of thme most religious spectators have to say...


If you mean The Satan of Job, he acts only in accord with G-d's will. According to the Bible he travels back and forth from the Heavens to Earth regularly. He doesn't appear to care for humans though. Probably views us the way I view pigs.

In the Christian Testament, it explicitly says that Satan and his angels operate from the Heavens. He is called in the Greek the Prince of the powers of the Aer, meaning prince of the powers of the heavens. Another verse alludes the struggle of man against powers and principalities, forces in the Heavens.

There are powers: Sarim and Bnai Elohim who have fallen, but they are not "The Satan". Some people like to lump all of them into one being, but thats a misconception.

As for humanity, humans have free will. Its Satan's role, his office, position, and job to prosecute the human race. If you look closely at the Bible, there is no struggle between Satan and G-d. Instead it is a struggle between Satan and humanity. The human race is essentially on trial, with Satan as chief prosecutor and procurator. The Malakh Adonai or the Angel of the L-rd, which the Jewish philosopher Philo says is one and the same with the Logos, serves as our advocate.

Now what if the trial ends? Well it ends with Judgement Day. It will affect every human to have ever lived. It says in Daniel and also in your New Testament, that every single human will be brought together for judgement. Some will receive the resurrection of salvation. Others will receive the resurrection of damnation. So no one is in "hell" yet.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by sphinx551
There is no Satan. Satan is a human-made concept. It's just something humans "invented" to find blame for while not finding themselves to blame for.


Exactly what he wants you to believe, a near perfect stealthy enemy is impossible to defend against.

You can't blame Satan for everything either, people make bad choices too, selfish choices, but they make them, not Satan. Satan just makes it easy for people to make those bad choices. But again he can't make us do it, so the blame is on us if we mess up.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Love... that love that we all search for all our desperate lives, is offered by God to the good the bad and the indifferent,Satan rejected Gods love, and has like us followed the dark road because to turn around and accept Gods love at first glance appears akin to self destruction.
If satan repented we would still have free will as others have alluded to its just a very powerful bad spirit would be now a spirit of love.
In a way we are all running away from the love that makes us weep with joy, all us potential stans.



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