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Arizona House OKs Birther Bill! here we go....

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
How many times have you presented


How many times will people like you insist his birth certificate is not a birth certificate contrary to the fact? Facts stay the same, birther claims morph over time. Certifications of live birth are birth certificates in Hawaii. Your own dissatisfaction over the matter does not change that fact.

So you and your pals here can continue claiming that he didnt really show his birth certficiate and I will happily continue to post the fact of the matter.



the same information to different posters in this one thread alone.


Its the same information because the facts dont change.


But this issue will never go away


I completely agree with you there. This issue will not go away until the communist black man is out of office. Your damn straight.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by Southern Guardian]




posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:12 AM
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Fine, Im a birther. Darn it. I was really hoping I wasn't and/or wouldn't be. Who knew?

See, I benefitted from this discussion. I wish I could S&F myself-err.

Have a great day-beautiful out here. Makes one want to forget such unpleasantries.

See you in AZ come 2012! Have you magnifying glasses ready. Gonna be a humb dinger of an event the day POTUS has to file his Presidential run paperwork


[edit on 4/21/2010 by anon72]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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How many times will people like you insist his birth certificate is not a birth certificate contrary to the fact? Facts stay the same, birther claims morph over time. Certifications of live birth are birth certificates in Hawaii. Your own dissatisfaction over the matter does not change that fact.

So you and your pals here can continue claiming that he didnt really show his birth certficiate and I will happily continue to post the fact of the matter.


Well, you clearly don't know where I stand on the subject nor to I expect you to know. I make no claims about the authenticity of his BC in this thread or virtually any others. Not sure why you are calling me a birther. I have played a different card for quite a long time and oddly enough BC agenda driven members like you never comment on it. Too busy lathering, rinsing and repeating I suppose.

How will you feel if this Arizona bill actually gets passed? I suppose all of those who may vote for it are crazy whackos?? Perhaps it is time to finally do away with the doubt that is dividing this nation. It will be found that Obama is indeed a US citizen and that Barack Sr. is not his biological father.

In Michelle Obama's own words referring to Barack's mother "she was very young and very single when she had him" That statement has caused many to further scrutinize the time line and motives surrounding the Dunham family's move to Hawaii from Seattle. Michelle's statement contradicts the story that is told by Obama in his memoirs. Who is right? Who slipped on the truth? I've read his book and it is full of contradictions and spun tales.

There is no public record of a marriage between Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr.
From Obama's book "Dreams from My Father"

"In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore. There's no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride. No families were in attendance; it's not even clear that people back in Kansas were fully informed. Just a small civil ceremony, a justice of the peace. The whole thing seems so fragile in retrospect, so haphazard."


THis is just scratching the surface. Then of course you have the issue that Stanley Ann Dunham was registered for University of Washington classes in August 1961. The same month that Obama was allegedly born. 15 days in fact after his birth.

Anyhoo. Enough questions surround the timeline and whereabouts of his mother as they relate to his birth to raise an eyebrow.

Sept 26 1960 First day at University of Hawaii for Obama's mother

One month later - conception

Two months later - She drops out of University of Hawaii

Three months later - She is allegedly married to Barack Sr. with no records, witnesses or photos

10 months later - She is back in Washington attending classes at University of Washington with her newborn son. Oddly, no photos have emerged of a pregnant Anne or of a newborn Obama in the hospital. You'd think those would have been added to the other photos in his memoir.



[edit on 21-4-2010 by jibeho]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:18 AM
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YEEEHAW, and about time it happened... from Michelle Obama admitting that her husband's home country is in Kenya Africa, to people in that country having said many times Obama was born there, and even the Kenyan President, and even Obama's grandmother saying so it should be obvious what the truth is....



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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I feel like an old boxing gym janitor coming in after Stalone and Whiterspoon battled it out! Didn't think this thread topic would produce so much...... (you fill in the blank).

ElectricUniverse: It was nice to see your posting-refreshing to know that it was over an hour since you posted and you didn't get attacked by the Anti-Birthers (Antis) and that they apparently not successful in their attempts to pursuade people like you into thinking on the Dark Side of the issue.

Well I will leave it at this:




posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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No, many of us read his post, saw it was full of crap that has been explained, debunked, and proven wrong over and over and over and over again and decided he was either too full of crap to bother showing it to again, or too challenged to understand it each time it has been done so he was better left ignore.

Heck, anything that tries to pull that tired ass old 'his gramma said he was bern ther!' crap it is obvious that the truth and reality are the last things that person is interested in.

Good company you keep.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by anon72
 


No, many of us read his post, saw it was full of crap that has been explained, debunked, and proven wrong over and over and over and over again and decided he was either too full of crap to bother showing it to again, or too challenged to understand it each time it has been done so he was better left ignore.

Heck, anything that tries to pull that tired ass old 'his gramma said he was bern ther!' crap it is obvious that the truth and reality are the last things that person is interested in.

Good company you keep.


Way to stay classy with the posts!!
Second verse same as the first. With posts like this .... enough said.
Time for your chill pill..
Barry Steve Obama will have to put up something in the future. His wife has already spilled the beans about his mother Ann.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by ElijahWan

Originally posted by Carseller4
Obama is toast.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by Carseller4]


Or he could run in 2012 and show his birth certificate....Last I heard no one has any concrete proof that he isn't a citizen of US.


If he has nothing to hide, then why didn't he just end all this in the first place and show his birth certificate. Shouldn't be a big deal, right?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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Here is an honest question.

If this bill passes, gets signed into Arizona law, in 2012 when Obama runs again, and he is on the Arizona ballot, will you people that believe in this conspiracy take that as the final answer, that indeed Obama is a Natural born American Citizen and eligible for the office he holds?

Answer this question honestly please. I will be remembering this thread in 2012.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Honestly?
He won't be on the ballot because the polls will show he has no chance. So, moot point.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
Way to stay classy with the posts!!


I am sorry, was that Kenyan village missing an idiot flag supposed to signal time to be classy?


Second verse same as the first. With posts like this .... enough said.
Time for your chill pill..


I need to chill because I am not impressed with proven lies?


Barry Steve Obama will have to put up something in the future. His wife has already spilled the beans about his mother Ann.


OK! Whatever you do, do not even remotely attempt to prove any of that crap. Just repeat it often and see if that works for you.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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It will be found that Obama is indeed a US citizen and that Barack Sr. is not his biological father.



I have often wondered if this was the real reason for all the secrecy.(one of my first thoughts when this began) Perhaps the sealed version exposes something regarding his birth parents.

Perhaps he is the son of someone who would not be so popular with American folks. Or maybe its blank, no father listed or "unknown" marked in the spot.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
The maternal grandparents could have sent in that information (and was legal to do at that time) either on behalf of Obama's parents or said that they were the parents (it was just a paper form to fill out much like the newspaper birth announcements that I linked).


This is not the information I have.
If you read the first post in this thread, you'll find that documentary evidence is required for the BC to state that the person was born in Hawaii. And if that were the case, it would say "Delayed Certificate of Birth" right on the document. It's actually a slightly different document than a regular birth certificate.



The difference is that no one really knows for absolute sure until a ruling is made. In the case of McCain, a ruling was made that a US military base was good enough for being US soil.


S. Res. 511 McCain is a Natural Born Citizen
H. Res. 593 Obama was born in Hawaii



So the whole debate, the anger, the vitriol, everything comes down to old Tom being a prick to a political enemy just because he could.


Very interesting!



Originally posted by anon72
But the fact still remains that this Birther issue isn't going away until the Long BC is seen, investigated and certified.


I don't know if we can ALL agree, but I agree with you. I wish Obama would do what he has to do to make the birthers go away, not because I think he was born outside the US. I don't. But because this issue is a distraction. His critics should be talking about other issues. REAL issues. But he is under no obligation to do more than he already has. He's already gone far beyond what any other president has done. I'm not sure I would do anything differently than he has, were I in his position.


Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
Do you not think that he would get world class fake documents?


And this is exactly what they need to realize. If Obama is the criminal, communist, socialist, corporatist, usurper that they THINK he is, he COULD obtain a perfectly verifiable document, have the people who would "out" him killed or silenced and shut up the birther movement once and for all. WHY DOESN'T HE??? Because he is NOT the usurper they think he is.


Originally posted by whatukno
Ah pandering ...


They ARE pandering. You're exactly right. Because the legislation doesn't call for the "long form" BC. It calls for "documents". The short form BC is a perfectly legal document to prove citizenship.


Originally posted by K J Gunderson
No, many of us read his post, saw it was full of crap that has been explained, debunked, and proven wrong over and over and over and over again ...


Agreed. I skipped right past ElectricUniverse's post because it was so full of misinformation, sometimes it's not worth it to even try. The difference between someone searching for the truth and someone who has an obvious agenda and doesn't give 2 craps about the truth, is clear. Not worth the time and effort.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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One problem with this that I see is that if Obama chooses not to run for another term (could be a host of reasons) birthers will be like "it was because he was forced to show his BC".

Rubbish.

I hope this passes in other states, he does run for a second term and the story is closed once and for all, whatever the outcome.

CIA ... you only have another couple of years to fake a certificate



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Why has Obama spent so much money to keep his birth certificate and school grades sealed? What happened to his promise of transperency? Just like most of the other promises he has made it was just there to fool the foolish and be broken when it was no longer useful. How is that Hope and Change working for you?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by george_gaz
One problem with this that I see is that if Obama chooses not to run for another term (could be a host of reasons) birthers will be like "it was because he was forced to show his BC".


True, but who cares? Nobody really cares what they're saying now. They're getting nowhere.



CIA ... you only have another couple of years to fake a certificate


Somebody once asked, "If he was going to fake a certificate, why didn't he fake the long form"?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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Honestly?
He won't be on the ballot because the polls will show he has no chance. So, moot point.



That's not what I asked now is it?

I asked...

If this bill passes, gets signed into Arizona law, in 2012 when Obama runs again, and he is on the Arizona ballot, will you people that believe in this conspiracy take that as the final answer, that indeed Obama is a Natural born American Citizen and eligible for the office he holds?

It's a simple question. I ask because if this law passes in Arizona, you still won't be seeing the mythical "long form birth certificate" because the Secretary of State for Arizona will review it.

So If the SoS of Arizona passes Obama's papers, will that be the end of this conspiracy theory?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
So If the SoS of Arizona passes Obama's papers, will that be the end of this conspiracy theory?




Oh! Oh! I know! I know! Pick me! Please!!!



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by jibeho
Way to stay classy with the posts!!


I am sorry, was that Kenyan village missing an idiot flag supposed to signal time to be classy?


Second verse same as the first. With posts like this .... enough said.
Time for your chill pill..


I need to chill because I am not impressed with proven lies?


Barry Steve Obama will have to put up something in the future. His wife has already spilled the beans about his mother Ann.


OK! Whatever you do, do not even remotely attempt to prove any of that crap. Just repeat it often and see if that works for you.


What more do you need? Read his book and then study the whereabouts of his mother prior to and immediately following his birth. I have nothing to prove because it is all there in plain sight for those who wish to see it.

Both sides are so caught up in the contrived Kenya issue that they have been distracted from the truth and the fabrications that have concealed it.

Just dig a little and you will find out the Stanley Anne Dunham was enrolled at the University Of Washington, Fall Semester 1961 15 days after Obama's apparent birthday and for Spring 1962 Semester.

That would mean that she left Barack Sr. back in Hawaii which contradicts the story told by Obama in his memoir.

Lots of inconsistencies.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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I just heard RUSH at 12:42 (ish) e.s.t on his nationally syndicated radio show read the story I posted here-on Monday night around 10:00.


B.H. he didn't discuss the "documents" issue(s). Just stuck to the story. I am thinking of sending him this thread...... hmmmm. Invite him to join up on ATS-that would be interesting.

Maybe a mention on his show for ATS? The possibilities are endless-well maybe not endless.

Thougths?



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