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Originally posted by allprowolfy
southern/ kinda feeling that your a bit lost as maybe your discussion came in on the ladder a bit slow, but your arguement with this thread had about as much legitimacy as a fisher man catching trout and then only catching a carp? your point is?
Originally posted by anon72
reply to post by Southern Guardian
I don't hate the man.
It was what I had on file.
Anyway, some wonderful arguements going on with this thread. Be sure to S&F to draw attention so everyone may enjoy your collective wisdom.
Originally posted by boondock-saint
problem with this is
it allows him to stay in office
the rest of his current term
this is only for future use
and does not help the current
Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by allprowolfy
hey d, when did obama show his official birth certificate? get off the punch buddy!
Obama's Birth Certificate
Nice. You accuse me of alcoholism, yet you are either too lazy or ignorant to perform a simple Google search.
This is why there is a birth certificate conspiracy in the first place. Willful ignorance combined with plain stupidity.
Originally posted by daddymax
I have one too.. www.panamalaw.org...
This one is even signed by a doctor! It also has a raised seal...
Originally posted by allprowolfy
reply to post by ElijahWan
ty, sir, i am not an idiot, just wanting a bit of proof. about dam time! ty sir
Originally posted by anon72
And to all of you who keep saying Obama was born here in the US-why is it that it is his own family members saying O was born in Kenya-no me/us. I wonder why there is so much confusion. And that is just the start. Maybe you need to convince them first then worry about the US people.
Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
The "Birthers" are like a dog with a bone. They just won't let go. Does anybody honestly believe that he wasn't fully vetted once he announced his bid for President?
And why does it matter? Most people here think that the President is just the TPTB lapdog so really does it matter what country he was born in?
It would be funny if it wasn't soo sad.
(Jan. 12, 2010) — An intrepid citizen-researcher has confirmed that the man who goes by the name “Barack Hussein Obama II,” has an original vital record kept by the Hawaii Department of Health, which bears the name “Steve Dunham.”
The citizen researcher began her quest, following two lines of research: 1) the fact that the name “Steve Dunham” appears in records associated with Obama’s alleged mother, Stanley Ann Dunham; and 2) the fact that Obama himself is said to have quipped that his middle name was “Steve” (as some of his followers know cf. YYouhan’s comment).
Based on this admission, the citizen-researcher requested from Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Hawaiian Department of Health, the index data for all the Steve Dunham’s in their registry, born born on Aug. 4, 1961. The request was made on Oct. 29, 2009, and read as follows:
Aloha Ms. Okubo,
IAW Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18( d), I am requesting all index data pertaining to the vital records of Steve Dunham, Steven Dunham, Stephen Dunham born on 8/4/61. Please send me death, birth, divorce and marriage index and any other information you have on the index for this name.
This statute at para (d) provides officials no authority to withhold the requested information. Therefore, I as an American citizen, am invoking Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d) Disclosure of records, which reads as follows: (d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public. Please follow any other statutes of Hawaii that cover this information to be released.
The answer came from Okubo on Nov. 10, 2009 and was contained in an Acknowledgment to Requester form, which read thus:
This acknowledgment is provided in accordance with section 2-71-13, Hawaii Administrative Rules (“HAR”), because the following extenuating circumstance(s) exist::
X — Agency requires additional time to respond to the request in order to avoid an unreasonable interference with its other statutory duties and functions.
Like most requests for such information, since the end of September when the Department began releasing such — following the threat of a lawsuit from another citizen-researcher — Okubo responds rather quickly with a denial that the information requested is available (if it regards Obama) or an admission that it is, and a release thereof.
In this case, Okubo responded that she needed more time to respond! This response of Okubo contains an obvious evasion. Because it takes less than 5 minutes to type “Steve Dunham” into their database and pull up the index data for such record.
The response that she needed more time indicates what kind of response she had decided to craft.
Guess how long it took her to respond to a 5 minute work assignment?
You guessed it; she responded yesterday, January 11th; but only after being prodded by another email from the same citizen-researcher. Or in other words, she did not want to respond at all, and was hoping the request would be forgotten.
Curious, and perhaps significant, is that between the time the request was made, and the initial “We don’t have the time right now” response was issued by Okubo, Paul Tsukiyama, the Director of the Hawaii Office of Information Practices, who was advising Okubo on how to respond, resigned (Nov. 6, 2009). Could this be because he knew that this one request would burst the dam, and thus, he did not want to be involved in a cover-up?
Obviously if Obama was born with the name “Steve Dunham,” he could not lawfully bear that name unless his original vital records were amended OR he submitted a change of name through the Hawaiian Courts.
As The Post & Email reported on Sunday, the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of Hawaii, has denied any name change requests, made through the courts, exist.
Therefore, if there was a name change it had to be by an amendment of the original vital record.
Therefore, if such a name change was found, the vital record for Obama would technically no longer exist under the name Steve Dunham.
So Okubo, under this scenario, would have a legally perplexing problem to solve; if she denied the request for Index data, she could be accused of lying or violating the law; if she admitted a record for a “Steve Dunahm” existed for that date, Obama would be exposed, and might retaliate against the Department through withholding funding; a possible threat, which is seemingly indicated by Attorney Joesting, in her letter to Okubo regarding the non-answer to my own UIPA request made at the end of September.
So what did she say in her response, yesterday?
In her official response received by email last night, Okubo denied that there is any index data for a vital record of a birth for a “Steve Dunham”, a “Steven Dunham”, or a “Stephen Dunham.”
It took her 60 days to figure how to respond to a job which required 5 minutes of work. And that in itself, lets you the reader know, what she meant to say: his name is “Steve Dunham”! But “Steve Dunham” does not appear on the current version of Obama’s vital record, so she can deny it, without technically violating the law. If the record never existed, or never contained that name, there would be no reason for the dely in denying it. It’s just that simple.
But for those would won’t accept Obama’s own admission; and who believe Okubo needs to seek 2 months of legal counsel to deny a request for a document that does not and never did exist; no amount of reasoning is necesssary. However, for those with common sense, I offer this analysis:
As for those who do not believe that this interpretation is correct, they must hold Obama was lying, in the above video, when he said his name was “Steve.” To doubters, therefore, I ask, “So was he lying when he said his name was “Barack Obama,” or when he said his name was ‘Steve’ “?
It looks increasingly like no one was born with the name Barack Hussein Obama II.
the plain words of the U.S. Cosnstitution, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme CourtJohn Jay, the Law of Nations, and numerous legal decisions in the Federal and foreign courts.
Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama was too young to confer her U.S. citizenship upon her child while she was no more than 18 years of age. In the eyes of international treaties and law and U.S. statutory laws, she was a child bride whose children were born with jus sanguinni citizenship of their legal father (not necessarily the biological father) and not their child mother, no matter where in the world the birth actually occurred.
The only way in which her son could qualify as a “native born” U.S. citizen at birth is by being born within the jurisdiction of the United States under jus soli doctrine of being born on the soil of the United States.
Nonetheless, a person is not a “natural born citizen” as defined by the U.S. Constitution until and unless both parents of the person were themselves U.S. citizens of any kind (natural born, native born, or naturalized) at the time of the child’s birth.
Barack Hussein Obama II must be either (1) a “native born” U.S. citizen under the jus soli birth in a U.S. jurisdiction and a “native born” British citize by the doctrine of jus sanguinnis and British laws regarding citizenship, or (2) he is an illegal alien born only with his father’s British citizenship under the doctrines of jus sanguinnis and jus soli. In either case, the child was born with an allegiance to a foreign sovereign regardless of whether or not the child was also born with a “native born” U.S. citizenship.
The Founding Fathers wrote the U.S. Constitution with the deliberate intent to deny eligibility to the Office of the President to any person who was born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign such as the British monarchy after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Barack Hussein Obama was born with just such a disqualifying allegiance to a British sovereign, despite the fact his mother was a U.S. citizen.
Despite many efforts in the U.S. Congress to change the Constitution in an effort to eliminate the natural born citizen clause or redefine it out of existence during the past decade and longer, the natural born citizen clause remained unchanged and in full force to the present day.
Originally posted by Aggie Man
I swear, Arizona has gotten so kooky recently. I say let's give it back to Mexico and deport all the California/Texas illegals there...starting with John McCain (I'm convinced he is an illegal, unless he can show me his long form BC)
[edit on 19-4-2010 by Aggie Man]