reply to post by Boypony
Buddhist parable of the lute :
Once the Blessed One lived near Rajagaha, on Vulture Peak . At the same time while the venerable Sona lived alone and secluded in the Cool Forest ,
this thought occurred to him:
"Of those disciples of the Blessed One who are energetic, I am one. Yet, my mind has not found freedom."
Now the Blessed One, perceiving in his own mind the venerable Sona's thoughts, left Vulture Peak , and, as speedily as a strong man might stretch his
arm or bend his stretched arm, he appeared in the Cool Forest before the venerable Sona. And he said to the venerable Sona: "Sona, did not this
thought arise in your mind: 'Of those disciples of the Blessed One who are energetic, I am one. Yet, my mind has not found freedom.'"
"Yes, Lord."
"Tell me, Sona, in earlier days were you not skilled in playing string music on a lute?"
"Yes, Lord."
"And tell me, Sona, when the strings of your lute were too taut, was then your lute tuneful and easily playable?"
"Certainly not, O Lord."
And when the strings of your lute were too loose, was then you lute tuneful and easily playable?"
"Certainly not, O Lord."
"But when, Sona, the strings of your lute were neither too taut nor too loose, but adjusted to an even pitch, did your lute then have a wonderful
sound and was it easily playable?"
"Certainly, O Lord."
"Similarly, Sona, if energy is applied too strongly it will lead to restlessness, and if energy is too lax it will lead to lassitude. Therefore,
Sona, keep your energy in balance and balance the Spiritual Faculties and in this way focus your attention."
Just thought I would share, its beautiful and so true, too much and the string breaks, to little it will not play. Such is faith.
Spiritual Awakening- a taste of what it's like, page 5
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 08:55 AM by Josephus23
reply to post by humilisunus
Science is another religion, and I myself am considered a scientist.
Because NOTHING in the world is 100%.
You can thank quantum mechanics for that.
Science is simply a statement of the most current educated guess, which happens to be in the job of refining and refuting many of its previous best guesses.
We may have subjective experiences in the mind that can be localized and traced through the fMRI's of patients with epilepsy, but that does not make the experience anything less than what the individual perceives it.
Metaphors cannot, in any way, be wrong, but only misunderstood.
For a human to claim that there is "no God" is the most arrogant of all opinions.
Why?
Because you are basing this on a limited amount of evidence.
When we actually figure out EVERYTHING, then come talk to me.
Until then, your comments are based upon extremely limited speculation.
Science is another religion, and I myself am considered a scientist.
Because NOTHING in the world is 100%.
You can thank quantum mechanics for that.
Science is simply a statement of the most current educated guess, which happens to be in the job of refining and refuting many of its previous best guesses.
We may have subjective experiences in the mind that can be localized and traced through the fMRI's of patients with epilepsy, but that does not make the experience anything less than what the individual perceives it.
Metaphors cannot, in any way, be wrong, but only misunderstood.
For a human to claim that there is "no God" is the most arrogant of all opinions.
Why?
Because you are basing this on a limited amount of evidence.
When we actually figure out EVERYTHING, then come talk to me.
Until then, your comments are based upon extremely limited speculation.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:00 AM by SpaceGoatsFarts
Originally posted by jeanvaljean
reply to post by SpaceGoatsFarts
Hi SpaceGoatsFarts.
Hi to you Jean Valjean !
I'm like you, just an humble student. The learning never stops and I'm glad it's like that ! How boring would it be if it wasn't the case
Peace and all the very best to you
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:33 AM by Josephus23
reply to post by Boypony
I just wanted to throw in a little tale concerning my "awakening".
I was walking down a part of the beginning of the Appalachian Trail at Amicalola Falls when I was completely bathed in white light.
COMPLETELY.
The next I knew, my friends had carried me to our van where I remained in the fetal position for 8 hours speaking in what can only be called "tongues".
I saw myself leave my body and I am not sure where I went, but it was both the most enlightening and frightening experience that I have EVER had.
I cried about it for DAYS afterward, and I have never been the same since.
I see things that most other don't. Patterns mostly.
I used to consider it a curse, but now I see it as a gift that is difficult to control.
This is happening people. Read Philip Dick. He had the same thing happen to him. So did Saul on the road to Damascus.
My best advice is to get ready, because it is coming, that is soooooo for sure.
Great thread.
-Namaste-
Josephus the Historian.
I just wanted to throw in a little tale concerning my "awakening".
I was walking down a part of the beginning of the Appalachian Trail at Amicalola Falls when I was completely bathed in white light.
COMPLETELY.
The next I knew, my friends had carried me to our van where I remained in the fetal position for 8 hours speaking in what can only be called "tongues".
I saw myself leave my body and I am not sure where I went, but it was both the most enlightening and frightening experience that I have EVER had.
I cried about it for DAYS afterward, and I have never been the same since.
I see things that most other don't. Patterns mostly.
I used to consider it a curse, but now I see it as a gift that is difficult to control.
This is happening people. Read Philip Dick. He had the same thing happen to him. So did Saul on the road to Damascus.
My best advice is to get ready, because it is coming, that is soooooo for sure.
Great thread.
-Namaste-
Josephus the Historian.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:36 AM by blujay
reply to post by Boypony
Thanks for the nice comment
It's great to read your responses to your opposers.....
Ridicule for speaking truth is an age old form of defense. These ones are so deep ‘inside the box’ that vilifying serves as their only sense of self-protection. I send them love, light and the holon of balance... which they may use or refuse!
Keep up your awesome replies ... your light is shining so brightly!
[edit on 20-4-2010 by blujay]
Thanks for the nice comment
It's great to read your responses to your opposers.....
Ridicule for speaking truth is an age old form of defense. These ones are so deep ‘inside the box’ that vilifying serves as their only sense of self-protection. I send them love, light and the holon of balance... which they may use or refuse!
Keep up your awesome replies ... your light is shining so brightly!
[edit on 20-4-2010 by blujay]
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:42 AM by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by Boypony
I agree with 98% of what you have to say.
I still believe that there is an external/internal intelligence though that far supersedes the intellect of one person who has awakened. Creation existed before you and it will be there after you, therefore, you can assume that you are a NODE on God's vast internet thereby making you a piece of the puzzle, but, you can't assume that you are the master creator or controller...because, YOU'RE NOT. Existence was there from the beginning, if there ever was a beginning. And although we've existed over and over, it only makes you a co-creator.
Here's my theory. God grants you to be the king, or the God of your own Universe, but, it still must be in harmony with God's in order for the awakening process to unveil itself fully. Otherwise, making a God of oneself when it lacks harmony is a path to the dark side.
That's my two cents.
Much love to all...
[edit on 20-4-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]
I agree with 98% of what you have to say.
I still believe that there is an external/internal intelligence though that far supersedes the intellect of one person who has awakened. Creation existed before you and it will be there after you, therefore, you can assume that you are a NODE on God's vast internet thereby making you a piece of the puzzle, but, you can't assume that you are the master creator or controller...because, YOU'RE NOT. Existence was there from the beginning, if there ever was a beginning. And although we've existed over and over, it only makes you a co-creator.
Here's my theory. God grants you to be the king, or the God of your own Universe, but, it still must be in harmony with God's in order for the awakening process to unveil itself fully. Otherwise, making a God of oneself when it lacks harmony is a path to the dark side.
That's my two cents.
Much love to all...
[edit on 20-4-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:47 AM by Josephus23
reply to post by SpaceGoatsFarts
I have also heard the "Dark Night of the Soul" called...
"Chapel Perilous"
Either way.... the metaphors still convey the same basic message.
Meeting "God"(self, whatever....)
Will either be TOTAL ENLIGHTENMENT or COMPLETE FEAR.
There can be no in between.
I have also heard the "Dark Night of the Soul" called...
"Chapel Perilous"
Either way.... the metaphors still convey the same basic message.
Meeting "God"(self, whatever....)
Will either be TOTAL ENLIGHTENMENT or COMPLETE FEAR.
There can be no in between.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:50 AM by Unity_99
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
In infinity there cannot be One, but Many In ONe, with each of us, our lives like a roll of film stretched infinitely in both directions. We are profoundly equal Family of Light, because potentially we are all equal at one point where one point is meanignless as it is ahead, where there is no ahead or behind, so stand in the eternal now, in the middle of infinity and that potential is recognized as equality and we are very much on fire with love for each other.
Duality only exists in the structure of this infinite/multiverse/school, not in soul. This is an error many are making, for Light feel great sorrow in darkness, when it realizes who it is, but progression is eternal, and in the great beyond we are ALL there. But for some, this can be seemingly almost forever, a kazillion trillion years.
We must all come into the foundation at least once to make it real, and its the hardest test one where we strive to remember and discover who we are in source, and as self shine love and unity and equality, yearning strongly for a world without starvation, war, homelessness, cruetly, to others or nature, or slavery. When we connect to our Future Self, where there is no future or past in no time,we have the help we need to get through.
Those mismanaging this duality, have connections and ties to those whishing to be masters of the universe, but in reality they are not = to Higher Self, in the Beyond, the Designer/Programmers of this universe school, the Many In One.
In infinity there cannot be One, but Many In ONe, with each of us, our lives like a roll of film stretched infinitely in both directions. We are profoundly equal Family of Light, because potentially we are all equal at one point where one point is meanignless as it is ahead, where there is no ahead or behind, so stand in the eternal now, in the middle of infinity and that potential is recognized as equality and we are very much on fire with love for each other.
Duality only exists in the structure of this infinite/multiverse/school, not in soul. This is an error many are making, for Light feel great sorrow in darkness, when it realizes who it is, but progression is eternal, and in the great beyond we are ALL there. But for some, this can be seemingly almost forever, a kazillion trillion years.
We must all come into the foundation at least once to make it real, and its the hardest test one where we strive to remember and discover who we are in source, and as self shine love and unity and equality, yearning strongly for a world without starvation, war, homelessness, cruetly, to others or nature, or slavery. When we connect to our Future Self, where there is no future or past in no time,we have the help we need to get through.
Those mismanaging this duality, have connections and ties to those whishing to be masters of the universe, but in reality they are not = to Higher Self, in the Beyond, the Designer/Programmers of this universe school, the Many In One.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:55 AM by EvolvedMinistry
Originally posted by Boypony
reply to post by Simply J
SimplyJ:
Thank You. That means alot to me.
One thing I need to mention....I don't walk around on a cloud of enlightenment....most awakenings are fleeting and very intense for anything from a few seconds to a few days, and then fade back into your consciousness. BUT they are NEVER forgotten and it is possible to have repeat "peak experiences" for the rest of your life. You are correct in saying that the place to search is within yourself....and that greatness lies within. Just Relax into it. Stop Thinking! Just BE.
Namaste!
-Boypony
Interesting, because my glimpses are completely over. I am full out in this particular reality, therefore, looking back over into the veil is often disenchanting. I've learned how to turn on and off my abilities to stay connected and still relate to those who have not figured this out yet.
Once you really cross over, there is no going back.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:56 AM by SpaceGoatsFarts
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by SpaceGoatsFarts
I have also heard the "Dark Night of the Soul" called...
"Chapel Perilous"
Either way.... the metaphors still convey the same basic message.
Meeting "God"(self, whatever....)
Will either be TOTAL ENLIGHTENMENT or COMPLETE FEAR.
There can be no in between.
Chapel perilous is an occult term coined by the late writer and a philosopher Robert Anton Wilson (b. 1932 - d. 2007). It refers to a certain psychological state, where the researcher or student cannot be certain if he has been aided by some outside force or if it was a product of his own imagination. Which, according to Wilson, leads the subject into being either stone paranoid or being an agnostic. In his opinion there is no third way.
Good info ! Just what I experienced. Yes it wasn't easy. Fear stalked me during the 2 weeks of hallucinations due to sleep deprivation. Some simple pictures or people had the look of "demons". I was living a nightmare. Talk about a change after the bliss of the "awakening"
But I had to learn to accept it as part of me, and fear finally left me. Now I have to say that it's something I don't miss
[edit on 20-4-2010 by SpaceGoatsFarts]
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:59 AM by facedo
reply to post by Boypony
My friend. I'm with you. You have 40 years searching... i think we are the same age, mor or less.
I disagree with you in a few points:
1) "There some lucky ones that sudendly awake". There is no such thing. Anybody has a diferent momentum. You give me the reason when you said "we are ethernal souls". There are no "past lifes". Life is one and ethernal. But you can come to this earth (or any school planet) many times. This time you had to do a different job before remember. The question is: and now?.
2) You are angry when somebody mocks you. It is irrelevant. Your sharing is a beautifull action and is very util to many people, even for those to try to "debunk" you. Remember: you go to the gym to rice weit thinks that makes you stronger.
3) I understood that you feel as it was an unique experience that happens to you. Thats wrong. That experience is a symptom that your are fully awakening. When this happens, you'll be ready to use the abilities that comes with that condition. Surely you've had a sample of them.
4) Let me think what other... ;-)
My friend, your message have been received. I want to give you a phrase I learned in my training: "My purpose is to transform the way we live, transforming the way we feel, with a transformation of the way i think".
I'd love you to sign in GAIA SOULS and complete copy your story. I am just a user, but I'm sure everyone will welcome.
"Live long and prosper".
My friend. I'm with you. You have 40 years searching... i think we are the same age, mor or less.
I disagree with you in a few points:
1) "There some lucky ones that sudendly awake". There is no such thing. Anybody has a diferent momentum. You give me the reason when you said "we are ethernal souls". There are no "past lifes". Life is one and ethernal. But you can come to this earth (or any school planet) many times. This time you had to do a different job before remember. The question is: and now?.
2) You are angry when somebody mocks you. It is irrelevant. Your sharing is a beautifull action and is very util to many people, even for those to try to "debunk" you. Remember: you go to the gym to rice weit thinks that makes you stronger.
3) I understood that you feel as it was an unique experience that happens to you. Thats wrong. That experience is a symptom that your are fully awakening. When this happens, you'll be ready to use the abilities that comes with that condition. Surely you've had a sample of them.
4) Let me think what other... ;-)
My friend, your message have been received. I want to give you a phrase I learned in my training: "My purpose is to transform the way we live, transforming the way we feel, with a transformation of the way i think".
I'd love you to sign in GAIA SOULS and complete copy your story. I am just a user, but I'm sure everyone will welcome.
"Live long and prosper".
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 10:03 AM by EvolvedMinistry
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
In infinity there cannot be One, but Many In ONe, with each of us, our lives like a roll of film stretched infinitely in both directions. We are profoundly equal Family of Light, because potentially we are all equal at one point where one point is meanignless as it is ahead, where there is no ahead or behind, so stand in the eternal now, in the middle of infinity and that potential is recognized as equality and we are very much on fire with love for each other.
Duality only exists in the structure of this infinite/multiverse/school, not in soul. This is an error many are making, for Light feel great sorrow in darkness, when it realizes who it is, but progression is eternal, and in the great beyond we are ALL there. But for some, this can be seemingly almost forever, a kazillion trillion years.
We must all come into the foundation at least once to make it real, and its the hardest test one where we strive to remember and discover who we are in source, and as self shine love and unity and equality, yearning strongly for a world without starvation, war, homelessness, cruetly, to others or nature, or slavery. When we connect to our Future Self, where there is no future or past in no time,we have the help we need to get through.
Those mismanaging this duality, have connections and ties to those whishing to be masters of the universe, but in reality they are not = to Higher Self, in the Beyond, the Designer/Programmers of this universe school, the Many In One.
Your post is the closest to the truth as any that I have seen on all of the threads that I have been on.
Nice to meet another being of enlightenment and evolution.
star from me.
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 10:13 AM by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by SpaceGoatsFarts
Beautiful. Another person has made it out from the other side. I love to hear it. I checked your post and found that you have been through the fire. I intentionally went through the fire for about 2 years.
I experienced insomnia, madness, isolation, anger, pain, hatred, truth, lies, and everything else under the sun that is associated. In the end, I wouldn't trade those experiences for all of the printed money in the world.
I now have a few apprentices that I train and I'm able to bring them out the other end without all of the nonsense attached. Once one person goes through, they can share their experiences without all of the added heartache that goes along with attaining enlightenment. I get to show them everything that works, and nothing that does not. So, I essentially act as a guide and help them through any hardships that they may have.
Its good to see others are attempting to break through.
Beautiful. Another person has made it out from the other side. I love to hear it. I checked your post and found that you have been through the fire. I intentionally went through the fire for about 2 years.
I experienced insomnia, madness, isolation, anger, pain, hatred, truth, lies, and everything else under the sun that is associated. In the end, I wouldn't trade those experiences for all of the printed money in the world.
I now have a few apprentices that I train and I'm able to bring them out the other end without all of the nonsense attached. Once one person goes through, they can share their experiences without all of the added heartache that goes along with attaining enlightenment. I get to show them everything that works, and nothing that does not. So, I essentially act as a guide and help them through any hardships that they may have.
Its good to see others are attempting to break through.
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