To 'live forever', how far would TPTB go?

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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Technology seems to have (some of) us on the verge of living hundreds or even thousands of years. To what lengths would our masters go in order to achieve this? i.e. What would David Rockefeller be willing to do to live for another few hundred years?

An important area in all of this overpopulation. Our elitist masters are already bombarding us daily with 'reports' showing there's already too many people on earth. But if everyday humans are to be able to live an average lifespan of 175 years, what now? The 'best case scenario' I could describe would be a massive global program enforcing Zero Population Growth. But this discussion is more about how far would they go, not best cases, so what are your feelings on this?

My research has indicated for years that in order to kickstart the radical technologies needed for radical life extansion, Strong AI (AGI) is being pursued ASAP in order to bring this about as efficiently as possible. I've debated many other issues with people where this topic has come up and too often people reject the idea that the control freak elitists would hand over power to the new AGI 'skynet' "gods". But I argue that in the quest to become living 'gods' they'll be willing to take this plunge. Or perhaps they might delude themselves into thinking they'll somehow be able to control their frankenstein, which is easy to consider as they are control freaks.

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Maybe some citations of your research would help you get your point across.

For TPTB it would be easier to instill some kind of faceless figure. Something out of 1984 if you know what i mean. Keep the people thinking they can live forever, without actually having to live forever.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Sorry,

Life Extension:
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AGI:
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UPDATE:

Here goes a full length life extension propaganda piece, titled "Exploring Life Extension", put out by the Immortality Institute. In it they even talk about how AGI would help speed up the process:

Google Video Link


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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Now we are talking, gimme some time to sort through these links, and hopefully in a few minutes I will be able to post a better response.

But to be honest I don't think I'll change my mind. I'm pretty sure life extension is possible but to a point. Living forever seems a bit much.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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Overpopulation wouldn't really be a problem. By the time we have the technology to extend our lives that long we would also have nanobots that could produce pretty much anything we would need, so there wouldn't be a lack of resources. I'm trying to find a reference for my next argument, but I'm 99% sure it's right. As we get more technologically advanced population growth slows. This is due to fact that people are able to wait longer before they have children and there is no longer a need to have large numbers of offspring to bring in income and do other work. So, if people are able to live even five times longer, they may not wait until they are 100 to have their first child. With the exponential increase in intelligence that will come through much of the same technology that will allow us to live forever, we would also be able to colonize other planets not too long after we develop strong AI. So, there isn't really much to worry about in terms of overpopulation if we were able to live forever.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Very interesting OP.

I don't think anybody thinks more about prolonging their own life even if they wont admit it.

I will go through the links and get back to you.


S+F



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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The idea is indefinite lifespans. The technocrat futurists pushing the agenda argue that if you can stay alive for another 20 years, by that time technology willl enable you to live another 100+. From there, by the time you live another hundred years, technology will enable them to reverse the aging process enabling indefinite lifespans, minus something like a train wreck.

To solve being splattered they add the idea of uploading your brain as a 'backup', and then a clone could be regrown and your cogno backup 'installed' if need be.

But anyways I'm really hoping to hear others thoughts on how far would they go in quest of whatever they think they can do?



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I'm trying to find a reference for my next argument, but I'm 99% sure it's right. As we get more technologically advanced population growth slows. This is due to fact that people are able to wait longer before they have children and there is no longer a need to have large numbers of offspring to bring in income and do other work.


This has a lot more to do with greater education and wealth, whereas technology is inherent in the whole process.


So, if people are able to live even five times longer, they may not wait until they are 100 to have their first child.


They may wait, but if they dont then thats where it breaks down. And we're talking about there currently being almost 7 billion people at different stages of life. With that many people how would it work in the best case sense without tyrannical population controls?

More importantly, according to the exponential growth theories of many of the sooth-sayers promoting this stuff, eventually over enough time any technology will become cheap enough for the masses. So following this logic, even if TPTB decided to do nothing drastic other than limit access to it, it would break free and the population issue would be front stage. Assuming they're aware of this, then measures would have to be taken, because its already obvious that there is already too many people as far as TPTB are concerned. One action would be to plunder the world so that no one would ever be able to afford much of any of it, And I argue that we've already seen this in effect via the Great Recession and looming total global economic collapse.


With the exponential increase in intelligence that will come through much of the same technology that will allow us to live forever, we would also be able to colonize other planets not too long after we develop strong AI.


But they wouldnt even need us to take over the universe, as by then they could have robots for these purposes they only use resources while actually in use, so then when not in use they can be stored away in large off city warehouses keeping the fabulous cities from being so crowded.

Just trying to kick some ideas around here.

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Judging purely on the Gerital Consumption of the Elite - I would say, youth was still out of their price range. just an observation of immotality



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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35 years ago my father was a porter at hull university in UK. he told ne about experiments with mise and immortality. he never found out any details. but my point is. they have been trying for a very very long time. I think they have it now! but what idiot would hand it out to every one? just look at the world now?

do you know every cell in your body (not the teeth) are replaces’t over time. even the brain. so your body now is not the body you had 20 years ago. you are a new body...



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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What do you mean by "mise"?

There's not really going to be a single 'silver bullet' solution to it all.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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I'm not sure about immortality, but I do know some researchers have been able to extend the life span of rats five fold by altering a few genes. Also, cells in your body are not able to replicate forever. In fact in regards to the brain, the only part that forms new cells is the hippocampus.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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hahahahahaaa it cost $60,000 now adays to stay in the hospital for 3 days, even if you are able to afford a anti ageing or reversal ageing treatment that would prolly cost millions and insurance most likely wouldn't cover it... Like you said the poor die younger and this will be more noticeable when gene therapy is let known. It prolly already is ready but the agenda of deletion of sirt like me that suck at talking will have to be get destroyed cause I suck at being a sheeple even htough I would love to be one.

All it is going to be is delayed more and more and don't forget other things like people who are dumb and are naturally screwed by fate. Those people that are not sociable. It is hard to get a job if you are anti-social. It is illegal for antisocial scum to succeed in our society, you have to be a part of a team and if you wern't as a kid it seems tougher nowadays.

Death in inevitable for me, my fate that was handed to me due to lack of information just hastened it up. Dreamers get destroyed and freaks are determined to stay freaks cause it is all I know how to be.

It could have been prevented a long time ago but the creator or creator of the current structure of line, socity and fate deny happyness in a 3 fold curse of screw you.

For what, why would I want to live forever here? I wouldn't ghost haunt me now and I would not want to llive with their messing with me forever especially when I would have to pay millions or hundreds of thousands in order to learn how this may be able to get stopped.

It makes sense now.

I am just heated that growing up I saw the potential of gene therapy and stuff like that but I was still dreaming and then you get tripped and stompped on because of my sadness aquired growing up due to not caring what others thought and not talking. it is a giant joke. A giant bologna stream that gets crappy people dead but only if you see your line and try to "fight" back.

Ghost attacks intensafiy at time like this typeing episode, are they trying to make me type more or make me fight them? IDK but I am not good at putting myself in other people shoes as I thought. Haunted via every angle sux.

This is what happens when you see yourself in electric, they "attack" in more and more numbers. 0 is not a fun number and neither is the drip that I feel on my chest when ghost or w/e want to prove a poin that I do not understand because my brain is to slow to realize before I forget, so I am defintly done.




posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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Never heard back from you guys. Nor did anyone actually answer the question of what this thread was supposed to be about: "How far would they go?" The thread wasn't even supposed to be about 'my research', I was hoping to establish some rough sort of consensus based on the how idea of the thing.

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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No doubt that TPTB would grind us into a fine mist and consume us if it granted even a day more of life for them. Reminds me of a movie I saw some time ago.


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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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I am very glad I found this tread. This is a subject that I have thought about for quite some time. Me personally, I would want to live for an extra 100 years. I would enjoy seeing my future family grow with great,great,great,great grandchildren. I wonder if you would have to reach a ceritan financial level to afford this technology or if it would eventually afordable to every one. Example - DVD palyer in 1990's $1,000 - 2010 $50.00. I look forward to future posts on this issue.
Just a thought.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Now we're talking!

Lets even get into some specifics, such as run international drug smuggling... Rob and plunder every living soul, including the earth... murder millions (or even billions)... and so on...

Or we can ponder what lengths certain individuals would go to, such as David Rockefeller, Bill Gates, George Bush, Obama, Oprah Winfrey, etc...

Or for a potentially darker journey, how far would YOU (thins means any of you) go to live 'forever'?


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'Non-Transhumanist', ethical forms of life extension options are on the immediate horizon, most of which would be affordable to most assuming we're not all plundered into Mad Max first. I argue that these were a major motivator for the economic collapse we're witnessing. See this thread here for a list of some of these:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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TPTB would stop at nothing to gain what they value the most. Our lives mean nothing to them since they think we are all expendable. Someday though the masses will take action and end their reign of terror.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Collectively, sure. But peering into some of the individuals I have to wonder, which would 'throw the switch' to begin the extermination given the holy grail were right in front of them? Which would be most anxious, and which would hesitate. I could see the Obama campaign website being used to rally people to go door to door distributing White House issue 'cupcakes', but how fast would Obama Himself throw the one switch that starts the meat grinder?

Conversely, cuddly geeks such as the Google Boys already have thrown the switch, they just have to wait for the machine to climb from its infantile stage and into its "mind of god" supremacy.

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posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Has nothing to do with the TPTB. It is a UNIVERSAL PROMISE.


1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."


Universal Promise




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