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Science and evolution tells us that Extraterrestrials exist

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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What we are finding out in science and what we see in things like evolution and extremophiles is that life finds a way and life has a drive to be or to exist.

We are finding life in places that scientist didn't think life could exist.

What this tells us, with the discovery of liquid water on other planets, extremophiles and exoplanets, is that extraterrestrial life exists on other planets.

The drive of life to exist is not limited to one planet in the universe.

The problem is we have been looking at things through a materialist belief system. Materialism says that dead, dumb, blind matter suddenly became life through a spark. It's like saying that you shuffle the puzzle box with the puzzle pieces enough times eventually you will open the box and find the puzzle complete.

This is very silly and anyone with half a brain should laugh at the materialist belief system. The reason they don't is because belief is a powerful thing.

Life is a pre-existing pattern that manifest itself through matter.

Everything that exist has to have a pre-existing pattern including life. As of now we can manipulate this pattern very well on a macroscopic level. We can make cars, boats and all kinds of things. Once we learn how to manipulate the pattern on a microscopic scale through things like nanotechnology and claytronics, the floodgates will open.

So at this point we can say life has to exist on other planets just based on current understanding. If you hold an opposing view you would have to give a logical explanation as to why we shouldn't draw this conclusion in light of the available evidence.

Now there's a very small chance that the universe is just playing a joke on us and everything that we are discovering is meaningless and life is just a once in a lifetime dumb luck accident, but that just is a silly notion in light of recent discoveries.

This is not even going into extra-dimensions. That provides even more evidence that supports life existing throughout our universe and in other worlds.




posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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What this tells us, with the discovery of liquid water on other planets, extremophiles and exoplanets, is that extraterrestrial life exists on other planets.


Well extremophiles show us that life can exist in odd places, however things evolve so they can live there they just do not simply appear there out of nowhere. exoplanets are just planets outside of our solar system and do not proove anything.
Science tells us that life could exist elsewhere however it does not say it does.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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I think the day we find evidence of life elsewhere...microbial, prokaryotes or whatever...will make the presence of life in the universe a given. I know that's a fairly obvious statement to make, but I'm not sure how many people have really thought about it.

Maybe the methane on Mars is biological....perhaps there's complex life on Europa? If and when it's discovered, the change in our lives will be immense and unpredictable.

Water Bears are little critters that have survived being in space. Vacuum and solar radiation didn't kill all of them. Lichens and bacteria have survived too, but the water bear is a more complex lifeform. If a niche arises that can sustain life, it's possible that we'll find life there...




New research by Ingemar Jönsson and colleagues published in the September 9 issue of Current Biology, a Cell Press journal, shows that some animals —the so-called tardigrades or 'water-bears'— are able to do away with space suits and can survive exposure to open-space vacuum, cold and radiation.
Water Bears' Able To Survive Exposure To Vacuum Of Space



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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Kandinsky, great link - got to love those Waterbears.



Heres a sculpture of a lifesize one.




Waterbears/Moss Piglets:






Freeze them, boil them, dry them, expose them to open space & radiation - after 200 years they'll still be alive!

The amazing thing about these tiny, 1mm creatures is just how resilient they are to about everything. You can put them in space, in hot sea vents, and freeze them - no matter what you do, they'll survive.


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Cheers.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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Nasty!


Reminds me of that old movie...Dark Crystal with the weird critters.

OT, if we get definitive proof of life anywhere else, it's open season. We might be waiting forever for confirmation of intelligent ET...if a single microbe is discovered it'll shift the UFO subject/phenomena a damn sight closer to reality in the popular understanding.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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The water bears are interesting. This is my first time hearing about them and thanks for the links.

To Zaigler,

I think the question does life exist on other planets is already answered by recent discoveries.

Things like is this life just microbial, did intelligent or advanced civilizations evolve, have they been visiting us our all separate questions.

The question does life exist on other planets has to be yes based on the available evidence. Why wouldn't it?

Does the drive of life to exist end on our planet?

It will be awhile before we can do a dig on Titan or Europa so we have to use reason and recent scientific discoveries like multi-cellular life forms that can survive without oxygen or methane based life forms.


New Species Living Without Oxygen Point to Future Discovery of ET Lifeforms

A newly identified species, a loriciferan identified as a species of the genus Spinoloricus has been discovered by Roberto Danovaro at the Polytechnic University of Marche in Ancona, Italy. Electron microscopy revealed the three new species of loriciferans, resembling jellyfish sprouting from a conical shell, that lack mitochondria, the energy-making organelles or components in our cells that allow us to generate energy from oxygen among other functions. Instead, they possess large numbers of organelles resembling hydrogenosomes — anaerobic forms of mitochondria — that were previously seen in single-celled organisms inhabiting zero-oxygen environments.

In these extremes, the investigators were only expecting to see viruses, bacteria and other microbes. The bodies of multi-cellular animals had previously been discovered in these sediments, "but were thought to have sunk there from upper, oxygenated, waters," explained Danovaro. "Our results indicate that the animals we recovered were alive," Danovaro said. "Some, in fact, also contained eggs."


www.dailygalaxy.com...

You don't have to be Einstein to draw the conclusion that life exist on other planets.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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One day we'll discover life in Martian caves deep underground, and then we'll discover life under the ice of Europa, and might even find bacterial life living inside the ice on another planet (as we have done on Earth).

The coloured bands in Europa's ice might even be bacterial lifeforms that melt tiny portions of the ice only micrometers thick, which is like an ocean for bacteria.

This would affirm that life is just avout everywhere in the universe, and the conditions of life are vast when there's water (which is more abundant than previously thought on rocky planets in our solar system). Some types of life doesn't even need oxygen to survive.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by john124
One day we'll discover life in Martian caves deep underground...



John, you may be right there -they've found seasonal plumes of methane coming from inside the planet so something must be causing it.






A group of scientists led by Michael Mumma of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center have confirmed the presence of the gas methane in Mars's atmosphere. In an article published in the journal Science Express on January 15, 2009, Mumma and his colleagues describe how they used large telescopes on Earth to map out the methane concentration over nearly the entire surface of Mars. While scientists do not know the origin of the Martian methane, the authors note that on Earth methane is a strong indicator of the presence of life. With methane in the atmosphere of Mars now confirmed, "it would be prudent to start considering the possibility that microbial life may be present on Mars" said Lisa Pratt, Professor of Geological Sciences at Indiana University.


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Originally posted by Kandinsky
Reminds me of that old movie...Dark Crystal with the weird critters.


Kandinsky, that's one of my favourite films.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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To think that, Earth is the only safe haven for life in this vast and encompassing Universe. Where intelligent life forms, such as humans are able to dissect and research, the very underpinning of this wondrous Cosmos.

One day we may scour the entire Universe, and find no traces of life on any planet's other then our own tiny tiny speck in space. This for me is a truly scary conclusion. that the billions upon billions, of Galaxy's in our Universe and the 20 billion stars in each Galaxy. Each star with the chance to nurture life and sustain a civilization. And we are the only ones who somehow managed it.

we may never be able to sample another intelligent species culture, music, history, or even collaborate scientific research with one another and like wise for them not to sample our diverse society.

Id love if in the near future, we develop a new way of communication, and when we turn on this device we hear thousands of Galactic neighbors singing there chorus of life Throughout the Galaxy.

Life definitely exists elsewhere in the Universe. Has it ever visited Earth i am not sure.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Matrix Rising
What we are finding out in science and what we see in things like evolution and extremophiles is that life finds a way and life has a drive to be or to exist.


Yes.


We are finding life in places that scientist didn't think life could exist.


Yes.


What this tells us, with the discovery of liquid water on other planets, extremophiles and exoplanets, is that extraterrestrial life exists on other planets.

The drive of life to exist is not limited to one planet in the universe.


You are making an assumption based on one case, the Earth.


The problem is we have been looking at things through a materialist belief system. Materialism says that dead, dumb, blind matter suddenly became life through a spark. It's like saying that you shuffle the puzzle box with the puzzle pieces enough times eventually you will open the box and find the puzzle complete.

This is very silly and anyone with half a brain should laugh at the materialist belief system. The reason they don't is because belief is a powerful thing.


Science is not a belief system. But I agree that belief is a powerful thing, it has caused human kind lots of suffering over the ages.


Life is a pre-existing pattern that manifest itself through matter.

Everything that exist has to have a pre-existing pattern including life. As of now we can manipulate this pattern very well on a macroscopic level. We can make cars, boats and all kinds of things. Once we learn how to manipulate the pattern on a microscopic scale through things like nanotechnology and claytronics, the floodgates will open.


How would you go about doing this without using the scientific metod you just rejected?


So at this point we can say life has to exist on other planets just based on current understanding. If you hold an opposing view you would have to give a logical explanation as to why we shouldn't draw this conclusion in light of the available evidence.


Again you're making an assumption based on one case. The logical explanation as to why we can't make this assumption is that we simply don't have the evidence to support it.


Now there's a very small chance that the universe is just playing a joke on us and everything that we are discovering is meaningless and life is just a once in a lifetime dumb luck accident, but that just is a silly notion in light of recent discoveries.

This is not even going into extra-dimensions. That provides even more evidence that supports life existing throughout our universe and in other worlds.


As we don't have evidence of ETs life might very well be something that is exclusive to the earth. This is not a silly notion as it's based on facts. Extra dimensions are still just proposed theories and provide no evidence of life outside our 3D universe.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Matrix Rising
What we are finding out in science and what we see in things like evolution and extremophiles is that life finds a way and life has a drive to be or to exist.


You don't even need extremophiles.

Just imagine that intelligent life evolved on a planet several hundred million years ago. What would "aliens" do as the travelled around the galaxy? Intentionally or unintentionally leave plants and animals on planets they visited.

We have plenty of examples from our own history. Cane toads and many other feral animals have been introduced to Australia and (unfortunately) thrived.

This would mean that life has evolved on thousands of planets around the galaxy at once. It also explains missing links. And It explains occasional extinction events.

For more info, see: www.disclosuree.com...



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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It's like saying that you shuffle the puzzle box with the puzzle pieces enough times eventually you will open the box and find the puzzle complete.


Not exactly. The scientific explanation is a bit different than this. Its more like molecules and self-replicating protein chains formed and grew more and more complex eventually giving rise to something definable as life.

Other than that I agree with the post, extraterrestrials definitely exist. Water is one of the most common molecules in the Universe and is one of the necessities for life (at least on earth). That coupled with the sheer size of the Universe means, as far as I'm concerned, that there is intelligent life somewhere out there. Whether we'll ever find that life (or if it has already found us) is another question entirely.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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If there is extraterrestrial bacterial or higher evolved extraterrestrial entities I don't think we will we ever be told! So no matter how many mission are sent by NASA, ESA, JAXA who ever if they find life you will be the last people they would tell.

The governments don't want this know no matter what.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 10:04 PM
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NASA would be the first to admit to finding life. Remember when they found those martian meteorites that contained what looked like life and everyone jumped at it and said it was life. Its not the kind of thing that's easy to hide and there really isn't a whole lot of reasons to keep it secret.

I think so long as its the scientific community that discovers it, than the government won't have a chance to act before the truth gets out. What real reason does the government have to cover it up anyway?



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
The governments don't want this know no matter what.


But why?



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
If there is extraterrestrial bacterial or higher evolved extraterrestrial entities I don't think we will we ever be told! So no matter how many mission are sent by NASA, ESA, JAXA who ever if they find life you will be the last people they would tell.

The governments don't want this know no matter what.


I agree. I do think governments will try to hide this information.

Right now it's pretty obvious that life exists on other planets. We have the building blocks of life found in comets, extremophiles, liquid water found, exoplanets and signs of life found on places like Saturn's moon Enceladus.

What Carolyn Porco director of flight operations and imaging team leader for the Cassini spacecraft said makes sense.


“Should we ever discover that a second genesis had occurred in our solar system, independently outside the Earth,” she added, “then I think at that point the spell is broken. The existence theorem has been proven, and we could safely infer from it that life was not a bug but a feature of the universe in which we live, that it’s commonplace and has occurred a staggering number of times.”


This is why you have this phantom opposition to the evidence. Many people have this desire to be alone in the universe. They want to hear about extraterrestrials in Will Smith movies.

Governments know that life exists on other planets but why tell anyone and upset the apple cart?

They can depend on useful idiots called skeptics to make sure the question is asked even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

All of the evidence points to life on other planets and none of the evidence points to life being exclusive to earth.

What is the evidence or reason to be skeptical of life on other planets?

The question is not has life visited earth or are U.F.O.'s spacecraft. The question is a simple one. What's the reason to be skeptical of life on other planets based on recent scientific discoveries?



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Matrix, you do realize that the entire scientific community is made up of skeptics don't you? 'Science' without skepticism is called pseudo-science. It is obvious to me that you only accept science when it supports your beliefs.



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