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Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by ponyboyats
Give me a break with this "we are the world crap". The fact of the matter is that not all organizing structures are equal. Some are more effective than others and many are based on items such as rights, such as a theocracy.
One of the things that is actually good about this world is that there are differerences within cultures and that difference is only possible due to concentrations of folks within a geographic region who practice a common culture. Thats why travelling outside of the country is more interesting than travelling to the next town.
When cultures are blended, certainly something may be gained in the form of a higher standard of living for some. That must come with a lower standard of living for others. More is lost, such as the cultural identity of the previously unblended cultures.
By what stance do you suggest that we have an open border world?
How so? back then there were no "cultures" just people trying to survive. natural selection but no borders.
That is an ethnocentric view.
yea except noone follows those principals anymore
Why should the successful societies be subject to supporting societies who are organized around less successful principals? There is a pretty good roadmap for those societies to follow. The rule of law, respect for individial rights, property rights, etc.
Or doesnt work. are you saying western societies work well? i mean im talking about the whole world being raped of resources(i.e. africa) and torn with endless wars(i.e. middle east) so that your "western communities" can stay in a zombie mode with american idol, flatscreen tvs and every broke person on foodstams riding a brand new vehicle. you think the system is fair? who do you think set the system up but the leaders of the "western communities" there's nothing humane about what they're doing. and humans, last time i checked, supposed to have heart and feelings for other's misery.
It is not rocket science. The cultures only need to look at western societies to get a handle on what works.
you really think we the people have a choice about the corruption thats going in world's govts? oh yea guys are you ok with a corrupt govt? oh yea its good we like it corrupt. its secretly corrupt under pretense of "for the people by the people" bs
If they want to organized around corruption, religion, dictatorship, that is their business.
Duh, the system is rigged that way where they have no choice but to cross the border risking their lives.For lack of desire to retype all my thoughts again, this post explains it really good:
They can do what the Japanese did and toss out an entire mode of life and adopt a different order for their society. They did that without sacrificing their cultural identity by the way. Did we help them? Yes for a short time we did, but they did the heavy lifting on their own.
The Latin countries have been governed by corrupt governments for generations, yet they have a democracy. If they don't want to change their model of governance that is their business and it is their responsibility to change it. Should we be helping them? Yes, but not financially and certainly not by giving free access to our society by the very people who would be most instrumental in helping change the society around.
When you simply allow Mexicans to flow across the border and we'll leave the criminals aside you get the most motivated and productive Mexicans leaving Mexico and in so doing you will eventually lose something and that is Mexico and that is not good for Mexico, the US or the world. There has to be better ways to support our neighbor rather than giving up on the Mexican society and Mexican culture.
Funny how the Mexican army is stationed on the southern border of Mexico to keep the Central American's out of Mexico, isn't it? Why do you suppose the Mexicans don't want poorer Central Americans flowing across their southern border.
How about actually thinking about a long term solution and leave the koombayah crap in the dustbin where it belongs
Originally posted by groingrinder
Where I live when you read a story about a home invasion, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about shootouts between rival gangs, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about chop shops getting busted, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about car jacking, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about serial rapists, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about people being kidnapped and held for ransom, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about houses full of drugs being used as a warehouse/distribution center, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about cars being stolen and driven across the border to Mexico, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Where I live when you read a story about identity theft, it is illegal aliens doing it.
Originally posted by ponyboyats
reply to post by Night Star
Blah blah blah the illegals are bad
We done heard that rant in a different thread
You miss me? I'm back for another attack
On your shallow views that put all in one pack
You mention illegals? Might as well mention *****s
They also shoot weapons and rob as all people
Be asian corean white or any pigments.
"Pedophiles are for miles they will eat our children"
Look around its a human that you hear breathing
Originally posted by ponyboyats
reply to post by Night Star
we already talked about it. the laws are made the way EVERYONE suffers. and no im not just defending illegals, i want ALL people even citizens to stand up to the ridiculous laws that dont let you use this system because you make $3.00 too much. but we have to stand together as human and tell the govt's and fat cats that we're not gonna take it anymore, legal or illegal. everyone suffers because they wanna line their pockets. i feel it for the citizens too and i think its unfair to them that they cannot collect benefits because they're being honest. it sucks we have a system that only allows benefits to the cheaters while the honest people get nothing. i totally agree with you.