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Another seriously undeniable flaw in the 'official' 9/11 story.

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posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:15 AM
I don't know what happend on 9-11 but i do know the petagon has more than 200 CCTV's around the place and i do know half the population of the world questions the events of 9/11 so call me stupid but if they don't have anything to hide then why not show the world these tapes.

Why was the CIA taking tapes from the petrol station from across the road from the petagon why people were still being pulled out from the fires.

must be as Bush says that wings on an aircraft will fold back as it hits a building and his mate told me that building always faill at near free fall speed all the time if the wind is blowing in the right direction.

anyway i don't care because i will sort it all out when i'm president because anyone can become the president of the united states and it does not matter if your grandad traded with the enermy during WWII and your dad was once a president too, pure coincidence

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:16 AM
reply to post by projectnsearch

Not that I buy into nukes at all or much scalar em theory (in regard to 9/11) but scalar electromagnetic weapons would much easier explain the partially burnt, remotely located cars (than nukes), the 'disintegrating spire' and other assorted distractionary techniques. Of course this [scalar em] could be used in conjunction with detected and peer reviewed nanothermite. Scalar EM is incredibly difficult to measure and prove so I leave it alone and stick to easily proved fact. All these distractions do is delve away from basic highschool physics invalidating the OS, especially in regards to WTC7s' simultaneous failure, NIST admitted free fall freakshow. The law of conservation of energy didn't count on 9/11 somehow if OS is to be believed....

Great piece of writing with some lovely sprinklings of reasoning and style thrown in!

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:20 AM
reply to post by okbmd

Thanks for that but I was really hoping that TopsyTurvyFuture would identify for me what exercise he/she considers was " very nearly the same scenarion as the actual event. "

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:37 AM

Originally posted by -Blackout-
I ran upon this website and these theories/facts within this link below. Its some interesting stuff.


My thoughts are that this guy is either lying through his teeth, or, he'e mindlessly regurgitating someone else who's lying through his teeth. The black boxes from flight 77 and flight 93 have both been recovered so those planes have defititely been identified as being flights 77 and 93. Plus, there are four planes missing after 9/11 so at worst, all he can show is that they mixed up which plane hit which building.

I'm sure there's some legitimate way they knew which plane was which, but since this guy isn't above embellishing his material to advance his personal antiestablishment political agenda, the facts really aren't important to him so I don't care enough to look up what it is.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:47 AM
reply to post by jolly

not the people that wish to know the higher truth.

You sure about that? There is a nice little cottage industry built around the continued propagation of conspiracy theories. 9/11 to them is just a new product line.

Who else benefitted? The Bush administration? But that would mean that 9/11 was planned and initiated within 8 months. All that planning, all the participants vetted in just 8 months? Not buying it. Sorry.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:52 AM
As with most of the truther garbage, what is being portrayed here as suspicious "facts" are at best inaccurate, and at worst just plain lies.

Firstly, the NTSB was involved in the 9/11 investigation, it provided technical information and support to the FBI as part of their investigation.

Secondly, the NTSB has primary ownership where an accident is involved. Where a CRIME is involved, they have a long standing procedure to act in a secondary role to a criminal justice investigation carried out by the DOJ, FBI, etc etc - just as was the case here.

You want proof?

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The National Transportation Safety Board is providing technical assistance to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is the lead agency investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11.
At the request of the FBI, the Safety Board has sent investigators with knowledge of aircraft structures and flight recorders to the crash sites in New York, Pennsylvania and at the Pentagon. They are assisting in the search for the cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorders - the so-called “black boxes” - and helping to identify aircraft parts.

The NTSB has offered the use of its laboratories to read out any recorders the FBI may find.

The Safety Board also dispatched its family affairs specialists to New York and Pennsylvania to advise the FBI and the airlines on providing federal services to the families of the victims of these crimes. Similar assistance is being provided for the crash at the Pentagon.

As the crashes of the four airliners on Tuesday are criminal acts, the FBI is the lead investigative agency and will release all information on the progress of the investigation. News media should direct questions on this investigation to the FBI’s press office at (202) 324-3691.

Seriously, I think people have just lost their minds over this whole event, and the "smoking gun" type crap that people publish, just as with this, is getting desperate.

If I can disprove this garbage in 5 minutes, you have to ask yourself what is really going on here.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:54 AM
There was no real investigation just a real cover up

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:10 PM
Truth is Truth. This Nation should not be afraid of it. I could not care less where a person comes down on believing the offical story or not. The FACT is an OPEN, Through, investigation has never been done on 9/11. The real question is why not. Not even the most staunch supporter of the O.S. can claim in truth that a complete investigation has been done. Why Not? It does seem to point to the fact that the Government does have something to hide, doesn't it.
We all need to support an OPEN, Through Investigation on 9/11. Period.

Light Up the Darkness

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:13 PM

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by -Blackout-

However the NTSB has confirmed that—apparently for the first time from its inception, in 1967, since when it has investigated more than 124,000 other aviation accidents—it took no part in investigating any of the air crashes which occurred on September 11, 2001.

Please note that 9/11 was not an accident. The NTSB studies ACCIDENTS to determine cause and suggest corrective action to governing agencies.

However, when a plane crashes, intentional or not, the NTSB is still called in to the accident scene to do their JOB. However, I thought that some of the parts were indeed indentified. I have accepted that they are the planes that they are claimed to be. Just don't buy into the "Official Story" much. This, if true (and they have not been properly identified before being trashed) is not the most obviously gaping hole in the OS. Not by far. Still a hole so big I could fit a 747 through it.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:13 PM
Someone just needs to hack the video screen at the Superbowl and put up a nice little video of the common knowledge we at ATS know!

Great story and pic of flt 175!

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:16 PM
crime scenes of 9/11 were treated like a heist-that much is true...
Why were the 30 ft. sections of the support columns loaded up on a ship for China
(never mind they were nice and neat 30 ft sections)
Why did the SEC let over 12000 put options pay out to KBR (know that 12,000 + Put Options purchased on the Stock exchange was/is the largest number of Put Options purchased on the stock market since it's inception..
the list goes on and on..the American People were Shock and Awed
I was there and I didn't believe it for a second
check out

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:39 PM
The planes sure were on the empty side passenger wise.

And I don't know how any one could have known who was on what plane... I swear whenever I fly nowadays I start with United on the ticket and end up on Delta or Continental plane and we have all bought different tickets at different prices with different flight numbers. They merge us and save gas.

And we sure as heck aren't on a practically empty plane.

I don't know what happened... but when every part you look at is fishy (date numbers, city wide exercise, press "mistakes", building collapses, pentagon hole, stock trades...) after a while, you're like... "OK sad but weird. And from now on... watch it, cuz, fool me twice shame on me."

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 12:48 PM
I am just amazed that all the many "coincidents" of astronomical unlikelihood are accepted without a blink - especially when the coincidents fit a 1:1 probability if there was an inside job...

I wrote about this here:

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:09 PM
reply to post by lamabomb

That's funny, the support columns just came by truck through my town last week, must have taken the long route through China.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by Alfie1

Oh Alfie Alfie Alfie - this stuff is all public knowledge and on the internet(even though now some of the "embarrassing" stuff has been redacted), but since you're either not willing to do your own research or just on here to attack - here you go:
First - Operation Nothern Vigilance - this was a joint exercise with the Russians (only the second time such an exercise was scheduled...interesting, n'est pas?) which had the effect of re-deploying fighter aircraft from the Northeast to Northern Canada/Alaska simulating a response to a bomber attack, one of the pieces of this training exercise also involved hijacked airplanes - here's your links: - or -
Secondly - and here's where it starts to get REALLY interesting - Operation Global Guardian/Vigilant Guardian - this annual NORAD exercise was primarily dealing with an attack on the US - the interesting part is that this exercise was originally scheduled for 22-31 Oct 01, and was rescheduled by Command in Mar 01 for the 10-19 Sept 01 time period (Coincidence, I think not). I suggest you read William Arkin's book "Code Names".
Last and most importantly - there was an unnamed National Reconnaisance Office exercise being monitored by NORAD simulating an errant aircraft crashing into their headquarters. Link:
(BTW - the National Reconnaisance Office, in 2001, was comprised of mostly of CIA and NSA personnel)
And here's a couple of great links for all these - and

Now this doesn't even include others like "Timely Alert II" at Fort Monmouth in NJ (hmm..the closest military base to Manhattan, coincidence?) on that morning that was to simulate a chemical attack. This exercise gathered first responders from the NJ State Police and Fort Monmouth - both of these assets assisted in the response to 9/11, this gathered together first responders who were ready to go just before the first plane hit. There was also "Tripod II" which involved FEMA setting up a Command Center at Pier 29 on 10 Sept 01 for a supposed exercise to begin on 12 Sept 01 - this set up a quick reponse by FEMA to the events of that day - again, coincidence - I think not.

So - you have several exercises, some set to cause confusion (I think everyone has heard the NORAD tapes with the OIC asking if the planes hitting the Towers were "exercise or real world") - one of which was rescheduled so that it would fall on that day, some taking out possible defenses, and others setting up a quick response by military and FEMA first responders - combine this with the knowledge that UBL had worked with the CIA, or at least had "contacts", and what does that add up to? Oh wait - you're probably gonna want some link detailing UBL's involvement with the CIA, I suggest you google the name "Tim Osman"....

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by dariousg

However, when a plane crashes, intentional or not, the NTSB is still called in to the accident scene to do their JOB.

Just thought I would point out some of the contradcitions there. The NTSB's job, among other things, is to regulate and monitor the transportation industry. To that end they will investigate accidents and mishaps. 9/11 was not an accident nor a mishap. There was no purpose in "investigating" the crashes as there would be nothing to learn or advise for future correction. The crashes were all purposeful acts of criminals. They may have assisted techinically, as required, the governing investigative agency but that is not their "job".

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:21 PM
reply to post by TopsyTurvyFuture

First - Operation Nothern Vigilance - this was a joint exercise with the Russians (only the second time such an exercise was scheduled...interesting, n'est pas?) which had the effect of re-deploying fighter aircraft from the Northeast to Northern Canada/Alaska simulating a response to a bomber attack, one of the pieces of this training exercise also involved hijacked airplanes - here's your links:

Do you even read what you link? It was not a JOINT exercise. The Russians were not cooperating. They were conducting a separate operation and NORAD deployed in order to put a check on the Russian activities.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:35 PM

Originally posted by On the level
I gave up trying to open peoples eyes to the lies of the official story, the Pentagon tapes etc. Some people seem incapable to comprehend what really happened. Anyone with an IQ above 10 would look at the WTC 7 video with the top of the building creasing and the speed of the collapse and say "That looks exactly like a demolition".
Unfortunately like JFK, Lockerbie etc we will never see justice or a fair investigation.

the checks that scammers send in the mail also look like the real , but they are not the same thing; Looks can be deceiving. I agree with the poster there isn't any evidence that would make any logical person believe 9/11 was a inside job.
Trust me I know the world is a boreing place and the thought of a vast conspiracy behind this event would spice things up, and give credence to the Afghan war being unjust. Untill there is actual undenialable evidence that our gov was behind this attack, alot of this passion should be put toward solving some actual problems.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:44 PM

Originally posted by 4nsicphd

Originally posted by DrJay1975
reply to post by -Blackout-

Actually there is a degree of untruth here. Several of the planes were positively identified by serial numbers on the parts.

Which planes and which parts?
. Without detailed sourcing, this is just unsubstantiated and possibly intentionally misleading garbage.

NTSB reports

You may ignore them as "misleading" if you wish, but the NTSB DID investigate, despite what the is claimed in the article.

At some point, it might help if someone were to submit a "smoking gun" that can't be debunked with 5 seconds on Google.

posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 01:46 PM
Anthony Lawson is a retired international-prize-winning commercials director, cameraman, ad-agency creative director and voice over. He used to be known for shooting humorous commercials, but doesn't find much to laugh about, with the way the world is going, these days.

Well, he certainly sounds qualified.

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