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Israel threatens to send Syria back to Stone Age

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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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reply to post by HimWhoHathAnEar
 


You are right, but not until the return of the Messiah. Any attempt before that will be the altar of the Antichrist. I am not a religious scholar, but this is how it has been explained to me by those who are.




posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Why did we all of a start develop this notion of hating muslims after the 60s'?

40's - hate nazis
50's - hate Koreans
60's - hate Commies and Ruskies, Vietnamese
70's - hate hippies
80-s - hate some more commies
90-s - hate clinton
00's - hate muslims

You see, every decade needs someone to be hated to in order to keep you busy and blind, the muslim hate is nothing but a perpetual patter which will be replaced tommorow.

Oh did I mention I am American. I could care a rats ass about the middle east or Israel. The only reason I comment is that my taxes are going towards Israel.

Edit: added vietnamese

[edit on 18-4-2010 by THE_PROFESSIONAL]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by daggyz
 


We killed the indians, should we give them back America? No they lost fair and square. The UN had no right to create israel.



8,019 / 8,522 sq mi size of israel,7,587,000 population of israel
Navajo Indian Reservation 62,409.12 sq mi 180,462 population
there are over 300 indian reservations so yes we gave some land back they lost but it was not fair and squre and yes the UN had the right to create isreal what else where they suppose to do with all the jewish people that where forcefully removed from there homes some times i wonder if some people engage there brain before they write things down as far as israel goes i believe they should just unload there nukes on all there neighbors and be done with it seems like everyday theres somebody puffing up there chest oh and p.s. send a few nukes to north korea



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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So your saying that if the UN says to the US we have to give the land back to Indians we are gonna move? Haha that's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. They have a few reservations here and there...they dont have the entire country which was originally theirs but they lost in a war. And yes the Jews lost in a war their country, they cant just arbitrarily have it back....maybe they can have some reservations.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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This is why the pressures re: Israel and Iran are so potentially catastrophic in my opinion.

1) If we attack Iran, Iran unleashes Hezbollah on Israel, and Israel retaliates against Iran and Syria. The U.S. intervenes on Israel's behalf.

2) If Israel attacks Iran, Iran unleashes Hezbollah on Israel and the same scenario occurs.

3) If Iran attacks Israel, Israel retaliates, and the same scenario occurs.

4) If Hezbollah goes too far unilaterally, the nation or nations from which they act or are supported from will be retaliated against by Israel as well.

The term powder keg is rarely so apt as it is here.

Ultimately, while I staunchly oppose any hegemony or hypocrisy on the part of the U.S. in the region regarding nuclear arms (as I oppose the same by anyone, anywhere,) the only way back from the brink may be for Iran to satisfy the international community (and in particular Israel) that it is indeed not developing nuclear weapons.

Of course, if the plan is to attack Iran regardless, that is a moot point in the end. In any event, the ways out of such an eventual conflict seem to be shrinking, and the likelihood that it can only be postponed seems to be growing. I hope I'm wrong. In my opinion the world does not need more armed conflict, regardless of the antagonist.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by BrianInRI
reply to post by HimWhoHathAnEar
 


You are right, but not until the return of the Messiah. Any attempt before that will be the altar of the Antichrist. I am not a religious scholar, but this is how it has been explained to me by those who are.


The rebuilding of the Temple comes under a peace agreement through the AntiChrist. Christ's Second Coming is after the Temple has been defiled by the AntiChrist, therefore the return and Temple must come first.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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My fellow Americans!

WE ARE NOT ISRAELI CITIZENS.

In fact, all of the evidence suggests that WE are hated because of our relationship with "Israel", whatever Israel is.

We have a problem here.
1. America is the most powerful country.
2. Israel is like America in the middle east.
3. Israel is SKEERED. (scared)

interpretation.
Israel would like us to spend some MORE money, bomb ANOTHER country,
do something that will draw all of the negative attention to US!

If we don't? Well, we might just have some serious problems here folks...

with Israel.

Terrorism 101.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

But the president said in an interview that he was carving out an exception for “outliers like Iran and North Korea” that have violated or renounced the main treaty to halt nuclear proliferation.

www.nytimes.com...

People here are talking about Israel being backed into a corner, yet fail to see the other corner.
Israel does not like Iran because it undermines it's power in the region, sure Iran may do some stupid things, but when was the last time they invaded another country?
I don't think that Israel is backed into a corner, their leaders are just paranoid, and paranoid people should not own guns, let alone nuclear weapons that they don't even admit to owning.

This talk of war is not about defence of right now, but rather what might happen in the future.
If you believe in pre emptive strikes, be ready to say yes to forced sterilization, after all, you may become a parent of a mass killer, I mean, thats what pre empting is all about isn't it?
stopping the problem before it becomes one



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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I don't disagree and I think we are saying the same thing. Isreal can be occupied and a Temple built. I was wrong in using 'supposed'. If you are a true believer then they are supposed to occupy Israel to fulfill prophecy and mark the return of the Messiah.

Edit for the second supposed meaning they are going to.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by BrianInRI]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:52 PM
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first off the UN doesnt have to tell the U.S. to give it back little by little they are buying there land back with money earned from casinos and at the end of WWII i really dont think anybody wanted to argue with the UN about anything some people just need to grow up and quit whining about the UN giving Israel a place to call home im sure you have a place to call home dont you



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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Jews already had a presence and were buying up land there before the UN got involved. I think their (UN's) reasons were guilt based since they had stood by during the genocide. But I think it would have happened anyway.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Papa Sierra
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
 


first off the UN doesnt have to tell the U.S. to give it back little by little they are buying there land back with money earned from casinos and at the end of WWII i really dont think anybody wanted to argue with the UN about anything some people just need to grow up and quit whining about the UN giving Israel a place to call home im sure you have a place to call home dont you


Yea if the UN tells me that my home is now gonna be belonging to an Indian family, there isnt gonna be any peace talks in this neck of the woods.

So you'd have no problem with the UN telling you to pack your bags and you would do so without whining and growing up?



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Clisen33

I can see a snowball effect happening if war breaks loose. It seems plausible that the Palestinians would join the front against Israel which will create a surrounding front around Israel. Worst case scenario would be that if indeed the Palestinians joined the fight, Iran would probably join, thus bringing in other major powers such as China and Russia into the fray.

I doubt the West and EU would sit back if that were to happen. This would be labeled as WWIII, not good.



Ohhhhh..... the Palestinians are going to fight the Israelis, I'm sure that has them quaking in their boots. Iran can't really attack Israel. The only real foe Israel has to fear in the Arab world is Egypt, and they have good enough relations. No offense, but all the other Arab countries aren't real threats to tIsrael. Persian Iran is a threat with all their actions and words though. But if Iran attacks, they might as well just shoot themselves at the same time, Israel will "get them".

Do you seriously think that China and Russia will allow themselves to be dragged into a Middle East Conflict by a fairly crazy run Iran?????? I'm sure they will cause problems, but it won't be WW3.....at least not till the oil really starts really running out.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by Libertygal
 


Obama Limits When U.S. Would Use Nuclear Arms

But the president said in an interview that he was carving out an exception for “outliers like Iran and North Korea” that have violated or renounced the main treaty to halt nuclear proliferation.

www.nytimes.com...

People here are talking about Israel being backed into a corner, yet fail to see the other corner.
Israel does not like Iran because it undermines it's power in the region, sure Iran may do some stupid things, but when was the last time they invaded another country?


Israel doesn't like Iran because they threaten to blow them off the map at least once a week.

Israel doesn't like Iran because they fund and arm the ongoing battles in the Gaza strip, including the missiles launched into Israel on almost a daily basis for long periods of time.

Israel doesn't like Iran because they threaten to blow them off the map at least once a week.

The last time Iran invaded a country?

That depends on what you call an "invasion"? Seems the last time Iranians invaded a country was when they went into Iraq to cause dissent and help kill Americans? Or wait, maybe when they went to Afghanistan to blow up Americans?

Saddam Hussein kept them too busy to do anything but worry about Saddam Hussein for quite some time.

Except when they threatened to blow Israel off the map once a week.



I don't think that Israel is backed into a corner, their leaders are just paranoid, and paranoid people should not own guns, let alone nuclear weapons that they don't even admit to owning.


Sure, paranoid because they appear to be aiming for nuclear weapons with an unstable leader that threatens to blow Israel off the map once a week. No reason to worry there, move along.

Yeah and Achmadinejad isn't a paranoid? That is why he continuously declares Israel is out to get him, there was no holocaust, and Israel is out to get him, and the US is planning on invading Iran, and Israel is out to get him.

He is nothing short of a paranoid lunatic.



This talk of war is not about defence of right now, but rather what might happen in the future.


Yes, and what may happen in the future is, if he continues to blatantly disregard the rules of Nations as set out in treaties they signed on to, it may very well spark some retaliations.



If you believe in pre emptive strikes, be ready to say yes to forced sterilization, after all, you may become a parent of a mass killer, I mean, thats what pre empting is all about isn't it?
stopping the problem before it becomes one


First off, I never once stated anywhere I believed in pre-emptive strikes. I didn't even HINT at it. Nor, did I not. You see, you are putting words in my mouth.

Forced sterilization?! Really? How do you pull this out of risks of war? Really?

REALLY?



[edit on 18-4-2010 by Libertygal]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Clisen33

Originally posted by loveguy
reply to post by munkey66
 

Hello,

This link I'm providing is in regard to your post...I hope it is still on topic.

www.presstv.ir...


Russia: Iran summit 'good opportunity'


On Iran's nuclear program, the Russian official said the international community is well aware of the country's position on nuclear weapons — Tehran says atomic bombs are against its religious beliefs and defensive doctrine.



Yet, there are countless accounts of people who blow themselves up and in the process kill their very own people. All under the same religious belief that proactively encourages those kind of things to happen. Kind of ironic.

Hello,
If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if before you'd reply to my posts, you'd read from the link I provided. So when you reply, we're talking about the same thing.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:10 PM
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Yea if the UN tells me that my home is now gonna be belonging to an Indian family, there isnt gonna be any peace talks in this neck of the woods.

So you'd have no problem with the UN telling you to pack your bags and you would do so without whining and growing up?

WOW a little hatred towards the Native Amercans i suppose you good ole boys only like white people

so tell me its the end of WWII and your incharge of the world what do you do with a few million Jewish people let me guess you would have finished what Hitler started

and do you really think the UN would tell the US to give its land back to the Native Americans well they might have if they where around back then



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by Clisen33

I can see a snowball effect happening if war breaks loose. It seems plausible that the Palestinians would join the front against Israel which will create a surrounding front around Israel. Worst case scenario would be that if indeed the Palestinians joined the fight, Iran would probably join, thus bringing in other major powers such as China and Russia into the fray.

I doubt the West and EU would sit back if that were to happen. This would be labeled as WWIII, not good.



Ohhhhh..... the Palestinians are going to fight the Israelis, I'm sure that has them quaking in their boots. Iran can't really attack Israel. The only real foe Israel has to fear in the Arab world is Egypt, and they have good enough relations. No offense, but all the other Arab countries aren't real threats to tIsrael. Persian Iran is a threat with all their actions and words though. But if Iran attacks, they might as well just shoot themselves at the same time, Israel will "get them".

Do you seriously think that China and Russia will allow themselves to be dragged into a Middle East Conflict by a fairly crazy run Iran?????? I'm sure they will cause problems, but it won't be WW3.....at least not till the oil really starts really running out.


I said it seems "plausible" that the Palestinians would attack, given that it would a good opportunity to attack with practically 2 fronts between Lebanon and Syria, a 3rd front would not benefit Israel obviously.

It is also highly plausible that Iran would invest more money and weaponry to Hizbullah, and in the worst case move it's own assets into Syra/Lebanon.

Don't forget that Iran still buys military equipment from Russia, and would probably buy more if indeed they did move into Syria/Lebanon to assist their interests.

This is the snow ball effect I was pointing out.



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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Rereading your post I think we disagree on one point. That the new Temple itself will call for the return of the Messiah and not the defileing of it(unless you mean the defileing of the current Temple, which has already happened to a degree). Other than that I think we are on the same page(that Israel has been forbidden to reoccupy and their attempts to will set in motion the return), but prophecy is in the eye of the interpreter.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by BrianInRI]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Now_Then
So why are we not hearing any statements from Syria? (or have I missed them?),

Are they simply not the sort to scream and shout in the media? Or is Israel throwing the war teddy's out of the pram just to set in the peoples minds that this is inevitable?

Cos I gotta be honest there can't be a lot of Scuds handed over here can there? And Israel is likely to be able to knock maybe half of them out of the sky before they reach target.

I can see the Scuds being launched, Israel lashing out and then getting attacked from all sides. That's not gonna be something they will survive TBH.



They have survived it before with less spectacular hardware....

Israel wiped the floor with Syria, Egypt and Jordan, at the same time.

I advise anyone not familiar with the 'six day war' to read this link.

en.wikipedia.org...


Of particular relevance:

Non-Combat Support

In a 1993 interview for the Johnson Presidential Library oral history archives, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara revealed that a carrier battle group, the U.S. 6th Fleet, on a training exercise near Gibraltar was re-positioned towards the eastern Mediterranean to be able to defend Israel. The administration "thought the situation was so tense in Israel that perhaps the Syrians, fearing Israel would attack them, or the Russians supporting the Syrians might wish to redress the balance of power and might attack Israel". The Soviets learned of this deployment, which they regarded as offensive in nature, and in a hotline message from Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin threatened the United States with war.

The Soviet Union supported its Arab allies. In May 1967, the Soviets started a surge deployment of their naval forces into the East Mediterranean. Early in the crisis they began to shadow the US and British carriers with destroyers and intelligence collecting vessels. The Soviet naval squadron in the Mediterranean was sufficiently strong to act as a major restraint on the U.S. Navy. In a 1983 interview with the Boston Globe, McNamara said that "We damn near had war". He said Kosygin was angry that "we had turned around a carrier in the Mediterranean".

In his book Six Days, veteran BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen claims that on 4 June 1967, the Israeli ship Miryam left Felixstowe with cases of machine guns, 105 mm tank shells, and armored vehicles in "the latest of many consignments of arms that had been sent secretly to Israel from British and American reserves since the crisis started" and that "Israeli transport planes had been running a 'shuttle service' in and out of RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire". Bowen claims that Harold Wilson had written to Eshkol saying that he was glad to help as long as the utmost secrecy was maintained.



[edit on 18-4-2010 by Skellon]

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Skellon]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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______beforeitsnews/story/34208/Israel_imposes_partial_arms_embargo_on_Turkey.html


Israel will temporarily freeze sales of advanced military platforms to Turkey over concerns about the perceived mounting anti-Israel rhetoric from Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, reported UK-based Jane’s Defence Weekly



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