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Iran demands US troop withdrawal

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posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
The war is over. We won.
Iraq is as stable as Israel, Iran, Turkey, or Egypt. Its more stable than Pakistan or India.


An impressive display of insanity. Obviously no shortage of crazy pills in your domain. On a serious note I've read many of your posts and many a lot make sense. Your previous comments are the rantings of someone clearly in denial and confused by a situation. American bravado can only carry one so far, but jingoism is another story. Even the craptacular MSM shows the continued death count in Iraq and a nation teetering on disaster. What has not been learned here is that Iraq was presumed to want a western style government and, to some extent, the western lifestyle. If Hussein was as horrible as he was portrayed to be (and lets be clear he was certainly bat-turd crazy) why weren't Iraq suicide bombings to the level we've witnessed after US occupation?

Pakistan/India, yes that is a very serious problem I would agree 100%.

brill

[edit on 18-4-2010 by brill]




posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Iraq was at times more stable under Saddam than now. It wasn't always like that don't forget the Shiite and Kurdish insurgencies in Saddam's era.

Iraq for a mid eastern country is fairly stable now. Turkey, Israel, Egypt, and even Iran all have suicide bombings every year.

The news has been busy showing Afghanistan other than the few suicide bombings recently in Iraq. US combat operations have pretty much ceased. If your talking about the wikileaks video that was from 2007.

[edit on 18/4/10 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Apr, 18 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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Iraq was at times more stable under Saddam than now. It wasn't always like that don't forget the Shiite and Kurdish insurgencies in Saddam's era.

Iraq for a mid eastern country is fairly stable now. Turkey, Israel, Egypt, and even Iran all have suicide bombings every year.

The news has been busy showing Afghanistan other than the few suicide bombings recently in Iraq. US combat operations have pretty much ceased. If your talking about the wikileaks video that was from 2007.

[edit on 18/4/10 by MikeboydUS]


Not particularly looking at the wikileaks video, that has some flaws it would seem, just speaking in general terms. I guess we'll see how things pan out over the next year, either way it would be nice for Iraqi citizens to enjoy some peace.

brill



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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And Iran being an example. Cut the crap. If you'd have been there, alike me, you would know how that extremist regime treats its people. Perhaps if you are some zealot Muslim extremist you would consider that to be good, but the vast majority of this earth certainly doesn't. Economically neither. The average Joe in Iran has a very hard time to make a normal living.

Umm you have been to Iran? So here's the question, should Iran be an example for middle east to follow or Afghanistan and Iraq?

Iran, a peaceful nation, a nation which America has started beef for absolutely no reason.. Yes a beef which has no meaning, a similar beef to Cuba.. So Which nation is an example? Yes Iran is an example which the West is afraid that most in that region will follow..

So what happens when most countries in the middle east follow Iran's footsteps? Yes you guessed it, the Western interests are screwed up the As$.. That is the fear, that is why the West supports all those dictators, and give them dictators military assistance to stay in power.

In the other hand, no external Armies are helping the Iranian government stay in power, the people of Iran has chosen its destiny, funnily you don't agree with the people of Iran, you agree with propaganda.. But how can an individual who denies ignorance agree with propaganda, how can any individual agree with propaganda is beyond me..

Propaganda exists in the absence of knowledge and abundance of ignorance..

Yes we all know oil plays a big deal, but heck don't forget that Qassim who was chosen democratically by the Iraqi's was assassinated with the help of CIA.. Just when Qassim decided to nationalize oil.. So yes, oil does play a big deal, stealing other people's resources does play a big role.. Iran is an example country which uses its resources for the good of its people, not for corporations.. Let's not forget how the puppet Shah, an American As$ licker came to power.. Do you forget? Ofcurse, in order for propaganda to even manage to infiltrate your firewall and get in your head, you must forget the past..

So the people of Iran has chosen, but somehow you want Iran to be part of the American empire, which the people of Iran doesn't agree with, that being said, stay in your side of the fence and mind your own business.. The collapse of America is imminent..



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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ew suicide bombings recently


LOL

You call that stable?


Blasts in Baghdad killed 35 people and came against a backdrop of political instability.




10 Apr 2010 ... Three bombings in northern Iraq killed six people Saturday, including one child.




26 Jan 2010 ... On the second consecutive day of major suicide bombings in Iraq, top US Gen. Raymond Odierno says Al Qaeda in Iraq had changed focus in the ...




At least 30 dead in Iraq triple suicide bombing | World news ...
3 Mar 2010 ... Election preparations overshadowed as provincial capital hit by deadliest attack for weeks.




BBC News - Al-Qaeda in Iraq group claims embassy bombings
9 Apr 2010 ... A militant group linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq says it was behind attacks in Baghdad on Sunday which killed 40 people.




Iraq bombings kill 43 in Karbala - Los Angeles Times
6 Feb 2010 ... A double bombing Friday in the southern Iraqi city of Karbala killed at least 43 people and wounded more than 140 others as hundreds of ...




Iraq bombing kills at least 20 as pilgrims converge on Karbala ...
3 Feb 2010 ... BAGHDAD -- At least 20 people were killed and 117 were wounded Wednesday in an explosion just outside the southern Iraqi city of Karbala, ...


Such stability I have never seen before


As long as your head is in your rectum you won't see why Iran is being hated so much, it is because America promised Iraq and Afghanistan to be an example, but funnily Iran is..



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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So you think the Middle East should be under the rule of a theocracy of revolutionary guards and ayatollahs?

None of the nations of the Middle East have great governments. Israel is the most liberal of them, but even Israel has room for improvement.

If the Middle East wants a better example of government I would look at Western Europe.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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bush bush bush. Bush isn't in charge anymore obama is and we're still there. How are you liking your Hope & Change?



I don't see the difference between Bush and Obama. What Bush did, Obama is continuing..

The two party system is an illusion for individuals such as yourself, to get fouled in to thinking you have some form of freedom to choose..

Yeah right!!



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Nope we tried European form of governance, didn't work remember, but ofcours you don't remember..

A system which works in Europe doesn't necessarily work somewhere else, there is a reason for that.. Let me explain..

See it took Europe centuries to create that system specifically for its people, it worked, although a lot of problems exists, there is still some form of stability within European territories..

That system won't work in the middle east.. Different people, different culture, different religion, different view of the world, different geography, etc etc..

If you create a system which works in Window Operating System, it doesn't won't work in Linux? Why do you suppose>?



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Well the US is withdrawing from Iraq this coming summer anyway. Afghanistan...fuggedaboutit!!

How many times did Bush say they were withdrawing lol.. Foul me once, shame on you, foul me twice, you've to be a stupid retard to get fouled so many times..



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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The elite has the middle east under control. The middle east is only there for distraction from what is really going on at home. Do you really think the media release information because they want to or because the elite wants them to. The elite have almost completed their agenda. Get ready to join China and socialism.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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Pakistan:

April 19, 2010
Suicide Bombing Leaves At Least 25 Dead In Northwestern Pakistan
www.rttnews.com...

April 18, 2010
Suicide bombers killed 41 people at a Pakistani refugee camp
www.dallasnews.com...

April 17, 2010
Suicide bombing in Quetta hospital kills eight
sify.com...

April 5, 2010
38 people die in suicide attack during political rally in Pakistan
en.wikinews.org...

Russia:

April 9, 2010
Suicide bomber kills officer in Russia's Ingushetia
news.xinhuanet.com...

April 5, 2010
Second suicide bombing hits Russia's Ingushetia: local police
news.xinhuanet.com...

April 4, 2010
Blast derails train in Russia
news.blogs.cnn.com...

Mar 29, 2010
Double suicide bombings kill 36 on Moscow subway
www.google.com...

India:

April 17, 2010
Bomb blasts outside India cricket arena injure 10, panic fans
seattletimes.nwsource.com...

April 6, 2010
73 killed as 700 Maoists entrap CRPF team in Chhattisgarh
mangalorean.com...

Apr 3, 2010
First terror attack on J&K rail track
timesofindia.indiatimes.com...



Miscellaneous:

April 16, 2010
Blasts kill nine in Myanmar old capital
www.upi.com...

Apr 13, 2010
12 dead as Muslim militants attack Philippine city
www.google.com...

There were also two minor attacks in Turkey in the past 30 days.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:04 PM
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In part he is right, but of course leaving now is not an option.

The US military in the Middle East has been a powerful and highly destructive force and overall has done far more harm than good, and has actually created growing numbers of the enemy and strengthened their resolve to fight us.

We have been a destabilizing force in the region, despite all claims to the contrary.

In many ways we have given rise to radical Islam in the region, raised paranoia among Muslim nations and in particular leaders in such nations as Iran and Syria.

But of course this was all designed to achieve covert objectives in the region, which will one day manifest itself in total clarity.

Until then, absorb the lies and enjoy oblivion.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by Fractured.Facade]



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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You avoid this:


Nope we tried European form of governance, didn't work remember, but ofcours you don't remember..

A system which works in Europe doesn't necessarily work somewhere else, there is a reason for that.. Let me explain..

See it took Europe centuries to create that system specifically for its people, it worked, although a lot of problems exists, there is still some form of stability within European territories..

That system won't work in the middle east.. Different people, different culture, different religion, different view of the world, different geography, etc etc..

If you create a system which works in Window Operating System, it doesn't won't work in Linux? Why do you suppose>?


To get to your point that Iraq is stable because other countries have also got suicide bombings lol...

Pakistan is in the brink of civil war.. Pakistan is not stable, but was stable, until America got involved..

Russia is stable, just like America, just like 9/11, attacks against Russia will continue by those who seek independence from Russia.. Hence people who want to attack the US is individual who wants independence and freedom.. Hence most ME countries are under America control..

I'm using the Hence word too much but hey, its for the dry laugh..



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Who is we?

Most of the countries in the Middle East havn't tried modern European style governments.

Israel, Lebanon, and Turkey are about the only ones I know of. Egypt and Syria have had nationalist dictatorships for decades. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, and Oman all have kings and princes. Iraq had a king and ended up with nationalist dictators.

Iran had a coup in 1925, were invaded by Russia and Britain in 1941, and then they placed Mohammed Reza Pahlavi on the throne.

In 1951, the Shah appointed Mohammed Mossadeq as prime minister. In 1952 they clashed as Mossadeq wanted control over the military. The Shah appointed a new PM. Mossadeqs supporters, including many communists launched riots and strikes across the country. Over 250 people died and after five days of riots, the Shah reappoined Mossadeq and gave him control of the military. Mossadeq was then given dictator like emergency powers. He further weakened the Shah and declared the UK to be an enemy of Iran. In response the US and the UK planned Operation Ajax. The Shah dismissed Mossadeq as PM and fled the country. Chaos ensued and the military launched a coup to force Mossadeq from power. The Shah returned home and Mossadeq was tried for treason.


Seems Mossadeq must have studied Mussolini's rise to power. When I mean Western European models I'm not talking about Mussolini. I don't mean National Socialism either in the case of the Baathists.

I mean modern liberal Western European governments.



[edit on 20/4/10 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:40 PM
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OK here we go again..

Pakistan has been a Democracy for along time, hasn't worked.. They have a parliament, hasn't worked..

Iraq was a Democracy before the CIA backed couped which brought Saddam to power.. Qassim was chosen democratically..

Afghanistan has been democracy for 10 years now, hasn't worked..

Iraq has been Democracy since 7 years now, hasn't worked..

That is enough examples..

A system of governance is chose by the people for the people, not by Westerners..

Hitler came to power due to democracy, that being said, once again, democracy is not a universal system.. If it is not a universal system, then you are in no position to judge other people's system which are actually working fine hence Iranian..



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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You are not living in a middle east country now then are you? I figure you live in Australia or Canada. You seem to like the situation in Iran and how they are governed, go live there. Forget ATS though you won't be allowed to use it there.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:12 PM
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Qasim overthrew the king in a coup in 1958.

Saddam didn't usurp Qasim. Qasim was overthrown by another coup in 1963.

Saddam forced Al-Bakr down in 1979.

Your examples are terrible. I'm not going to even comment on Pakistan.

Are you that blind by your nationalism? The history is out there for anyone to study. You have to face reality at some point and realize that things are not fine.

Even the Khalifa was elected by a parliament or Majlis Ash Shura. They also had the power to remove him. Whats wrong with that system? Whats wrong with Shura?



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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All the while it emplace's it's own troops elsewhere, imagine that.......



"The report on Iranian military power provides new details on the group known formally as the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF), the Islamist shock troops deployed around the world to advance Iranian interests. The unit is aligned with terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, North Africa and Latin America, and the report warns that U.S. forces are likely to battle the Iranian paramilitaries in the future.

The Qods force "maintains operational capabilities around the world," the report says, adding that "it is well established in the Middle East and North Africa and recent years have witnessed an increased presence in Latin America, particularly Venezuela."

"If U.S. involvement in conflict in these regions deepens, contact with the IRGC-QF, directly or through extremist groups it supports, will be more frequent and consequential," the report says."

www.washingtontimes.com...




posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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we won yippeee

another victory for the red, white and blue.

how stupid are you sheep.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by huntergatherer
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we won yippeee

another victory for the red, white and blue.

how stupid are you sheep.


I'm sorry, I am a wolf.


So if your not a sheep, does that make you an ass?



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