fast ufos in the sky over Niagra falls Canada April 13th, 2010

Hm, interesting video. For me the most logical explanation would be insects. This is how a moth would fly, for example. Possibly birds high up and diving straight down at times, which gives the impression of them standing still for a moment.

ET spacecraft is always an option. But why would they fly like a drunken sailor? Advanced intelligence traveling light years to visit us and then not able to fly in a straight line from A to B? Does not make a lot of sense.

But something unresolved is going on at the Niagara Falls, so who knows. Please see this thread:
Stationary triangle UFO over Niagara Falls

@OP: Did you ever try catching this stationary triangle UFO with your night vision equipment?

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I agree, their movements look like bat movements.

They can fly at relatively high altitudes and their movements depend on what they want to do: if they are trying to catch a moth they must move like the moth, so they have erratic movements, but when they are moving from their "home" to their hunting area they do not need to move erratically, they just go from point A to point B, unless they find an insect.

Also, as they are usually the size of a mouse, they do not need to be flying very high to appear like that to the camera. And as we don't know the altitude or the size of the objects we see in the video we cannot say at what speed they are travelling, it could be very high or relatively low.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
PS. saw a bat tonight, and boy this one must have been last years model - because it was flying around like a bat, and at the speed of a bat! I have never seen a bat pull out g-forces when it flies like the bats you think you see in this cool video...

Great, that must mean you know what g-forces are those objects in the video "pulling".

Could you tell us?

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scale is the word here. They are too fast AND too big to be bats!

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scale is the word here. They are too fast AND too big to be bats!

Precisely the point here. These could be mosquitoes six inches away from the lens of the camera.

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No, perspective is the word here, they appear bigger than some of the stars, so with your logic, they must be actually bigger than those stars right?

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i disagree

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Chadwickus stated the problem clearly. There are no visual reference points to determine the "lights'" altitude, therefore it is impossible to determine their size and speed. They could be vast orbs at the edge of the solar system travelling at enormous speed, or mosquitoes six inches from the camera. Personally, I'm leaning towards bats.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by DJW001]

WOW!! That is an Amazing video right there. Short of CGI I'm 100% certain that this isn't any animal, that's for sure. Just look at the acceleration at 1:47 and tell me that's a bat (of course there will always be sceptics, but I believe the majority of people will be able to rule out bats). As for it being CGI I can't say I've been able to spot anything that suggests it. The way the light changes it's brightness and blends behind the casino lights just seems real, and would be pretty hard to pull off with a computer. The movements seem very fluid-like and it doesn't seem to once have a predictable or computer generated pattern.

I'm going to try and contact this guy and convince him to join this discussion. It's an amazing video, and the first (good one?) of the so called "fastwalker" UFO's which so many claim to have seen but never captured on video.

Again, blown away by this video. So amazing.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Drexon]

I suspect these are either bats or swallows, no smoking gun here I'm afraid.

Having watched the video I would guess that it's a bat hunting insects. They can rise to very high altitudes at night to hunt. Higher than you'd think.

A kite also sounds possible, but I think it's less likely. During the point when the object "stops and hovers for a second" (ie, moves towards the camera ) there is erratic side-to-side movement that makes it clear that this is no "heavy" craft, but rather something small that is fighting against wind currents and being buffeted about slightly as it flies.

In the end, the object moves to... organically. If it were a UFO I'd expect to see straight lines and sharp right angle turns. It would feel different. It would raise the hairs on the back of my neck, and the movements would be so precise that it would almost look photo shopped. That's what a real high-altitude UFO looks like - like it's putting on a show for you with its geometric patterns of movement.

This one doesn't look right to me at all. Sorry.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by RedBird]

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DJW001.....

I agree.....here's the YT homepage of the guy who posted the video on YT.

www.youtube.com...

All he does is collect stuff that's been debunked for years & present it with no real analysis or critical thinking.

He also directs people to his Twitter page to quote "GET ALL THE LATEST IN UFO, CONSPIRACY, SPACE AND SCIENCE NEWS" unquote.

He'd be better off getting on ATS & learning a bit more about all this.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
scale is the word here. They are too fast AND too big to be bats!

OK, that means you know their size, right?

Could you tell us?

Originally posted by RedBird
Having watched the video I would guess that it's a bat hunting insects. They can rise to very high altitudes at night to hunt. Higher than you'd think.

A kite also sounds possible, but I think it's less likely. During the point when the object "stops and hovers for a second" (ie, moves towards the camera

) there is erratic side-to-side movement that makes it clear that this is no "heavy" craft, but rather something small that is fighting against wind currents and being buffeted about slightly as it flies.

In the end, the object moves to... organically. If it were a UFO I'd expect to see straight lines and sharp right angle turns. It would feel different. It would raise the hairs on the back of my neck, and the movements would be so precise that it would almost look photo shopped. That's what a real high-altitude UFO looks like - like it's putting on a show for you with its geometric patterns of movement.

This one doesn't look right to me at all. Sorry.

First off, this was shot in the middle of winter -15 (I think it was) celcius, so it can't be a bat. Second, can't you tell how zoomed in this is? The kite would have to be flying at long distance aircraft altitudes, also, how can you say that a UFO would be more likely to go in straight lines? Have you seen so many that you can give a professional opinion?

I'm sorry, but your argument fails on so many levels. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but they're, sorry, amateurish at best.

OK, that means you know their size, right?

The size isn't detectable, of course. The point is the speed and acceleration. Not even a fly could do what that thing does. As far as I'm concerned this is either a real live alien spacecraft or CGI.


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Originally posted by Drexon
WOW!!
I'm going to try and contact this guy and convince him to join this discussion. It's an amazing video, and the first (good one?) of the so called "fastwalker" UFO's which so many claim to have seen but never captured on video.
Again, blown away by this video. So amazing.

Drexon.....

I agree that contacting him & getting him on ATS would be a good idea......

As per my previous post, he would learn a lot.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

The notion that the objects in that video are bats, birds, mosquitoes or kites is ridiculous. I defy anyone to recreate that video using any of the aforementioned scapegoats.

Joshua P Warren mentioned on his latest Coast appearance that his LEMUR Labs was offering free professional image analysis this month. Would be interesting to hear what his professionals make of it instead of the bat brains around here.

The bat comparison videos posted are lacking in similarities so I don't see how a conclusion that the posted video shows bats hunting is justified at this point. Insects? Don't think so either personally.

The angular resolution of the camera allows for birds to be clearly identified. The "UFO" retains enough angular resolution to make it clearly visible, yet has less resolution than the bird example due to distance and/or size of the object involved. One could do some calculations by matching star constellations and look into angular size and velocity of the objects and see what comes out of it.

So in short, if the cynics think birds, bats, kites or insects play a role here I invite them to do the calculations and some experiments and see if they can recreate similar footage. Surely this would be as easy as they claim. In absence of such, I think the video is inconclusive in absence of further investigation.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by jclmavg]

Originally posted by The Cusp
The notion that the objects in that video are bats, birds, mosquitoes or kites is ridiculous. I defy anyone to recreate that video using any of the aforementioned scapegoats.

Joshua P Warren mentioned on his latest Coast appearance that his LEMUR Labs was offering free professional image analysis this month. Would be interesting to hear what his professionals make of it instead of the bat brains around here.

The Cusp.....

Hello from one of "the bat brains around here".

So what do you think it is..... aliens?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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The video maker intentionally did not supply crucial information. The video was taken with some sort of light amplification device, so we are looking at a digitized version of digitized information. We do not know if there was any magnification involved, and if so, whether it was optical or digital. We can only guess at the angular width of the field and the resolution of the images. As usual from this Niagara Falls UFO hunter, there is nothing to corroborate the event he is recording. It is not even clear when this video was taken, not even a time stamp. (Not that those can't be faked.)

Originally posted by jclmavg
So in short, if the cynics think birds, bats, kites or insects play a role here I invite them to do the calculations and some experiments and see if they can recreate similar footage.

Jclmavg.....

Hello from one of "the cynics".

What do you think it is.....aliens?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not