fast ufos in the sky over Niagra falls Canada April 13th, 2010

reply to post by FlySolo


Sigh, I didn't post that video to compare looks... I posted it to compare the flight path, size of the bats, and their average speed. All of these three things match the video.

The OP's video is clearly showing something organic, not mechanical. The movement of the object is similar to that of flying animals and insects...

Also, to claim bats always fly together is a lie. I live next to a park that has bats all the time, and they fly solo all the time. If I had a night vision camera I could probably take an identical video as the OP.

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by theinfernal

 

Why the erractic paths? No intelligent being is going to pilot a craft all zig-zaggy whilst staying in the same area. As Spock would, "It is illogical." Unless of the course the craft is fueled by bugs, which are probably bountiful in the gleam of the klieg lights.

I love how everyone's suddenly an expert on UFO movement, saying it's "illogical" as if they actually know something.

Let's just get something clear, you don't know anything! You don't have a frame of reference, you can't compare it to anything earthly you know of, and because of that your arguments are invalid. I mean, heh, what could possibly be considered a "professional"/apt opinion in this matter? Sorry, but no dice.

Originally posted by FlySolo
Edit to add: Again, this camera is stationary. At no point does the camera track one-single-bat. If you estimate the height of the objects in the OP to be the same as the example you provided, then, if at night, the stars would never be in the same frame as the bat.

Wow you really didn't read my post correctly, or you are purposeful making a huge mistake.

I never said the hight of the objects in the OP is the same as the example. I CLEARLY said that you have to imagine the bats in the example to be higher.

If the bats in the example were higher, and there was only one bat in the view, and the camera was zoomed in a little, it would ALL be EXACTLY the same as the OP's video.

Since I am familiar with your posting style, this will be my last post replying to you.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
reply to post by FlySolo

 

Sigh, I didn't post that video to compare looks... I posted it to compare the flight path, size of the bats, and their average speed. All of these three things match the video.

The OP's video is clearly showing something organic, not mechanical. The movement of the object is similar to that of flying animals and insects...

Also, to claim bats always fly together is a lie. I live next to a park that has bats all the time, and they fly solo all the time. If I had a night vision camera I could probably take an identical video as the OP.

Sigh, your putting words in my mouth. I never said they always fly together, I said a few posts back they fly together during feeding, which is probably what they are doing in the video you posted.

The Erratic flight patterns don't resemble the one in the OP. At all, in my opinion. In the first few seconds of the clip I thought I was watching a satellite. Until the hovering and zig zagging maneuvers. Speaking of zig zagging, what is your opinion on simply trying to following one of those critters with the camera. So far non of the examples have been able to do that. Keeping in mind, the stars are always in the frame. Impossible. Low altitude or not, simply impossible. Not bats and you know it

Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Since I am familiar with your posting style, this will be my last post replying to you.

What is that supposed to mean? I may be confrontational with condescending skeptics but thats all. No love lost.

reply to post by ALLis0NE


nope, they fly too straight for bats. They are eratic when turning, bats dont do straight lines or big arcs.

I still think it may be just swamp gas. Ask any Government Specialists on the issue. Your tax dollars paying them, why would they lie to the hand that feeds them?

Obviously it is nothing more than swamp gas.

Swamp gas from Niagra Falls.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


I'm sorry... what's your theory again?

I agree with what "Maybe...maybe not" said back on page 1...the motion of the object looks like the motion of a bat.

Bats do hunt at relatively high altitudes also (however it is very difficult to see them with just our eyes), and at high altitude, their erratic flying motion would be easier to follow with a camera.

We are all used to seeing a bat 25 to 75 feet off the ground, so we would think it would be hard to follow with a camera. However, at a few 100 feet, its movements would be easy to follow with a camera.

"A bat" seems like a very plausible explanation.



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@ 1;25 seconds into the video the light stops and takes off again. That does not explain a bat or the massive amount of acceleration.

reply to post by RedBird



stops and starts for no reason? three possible explanations:

1. it is an alien craft, piloted by an alien, and he/she/it is either bored or following instructions to fly around for peepls to see.

2. it is an alien craft, piloted by a human; who's having fun and testing the machine's ability.

3. it is backwards engineered NASA/US Military craft, piloted by a human employed by the US government.


why over Niagara falls? because it's a cool place, one of the wonders of the world, and if you're gonna fly around, why not do it over a huge illuminated waterfall.





[edit on 18-4-2010 by Mathius]

Originally posted by Optix
@ 1;25 seconds into the video the light stops and takes off again. That does not explain a bat or the massive amount of acceleration.

If the bat was flying up or down directly away from or toward the camera during those "standing still" times -- That would explain it.

When it flies toward or away from the camera, its apparent motion would look like it was standing still. And the when it turns so it no longer moves toward or away from the camera, the "sideways" motion is seen again.



[edit on 4/18/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

motions with the bats may be similiar, but i don't think this is a bat.

But i agree it does show some characteristics of a bats movement, but their are a few manuvuers, taken with the fact i'm ignorant of size and distance, adds some intrigue.

It may not be a bat. not sure if it's an animal either.

could be swamp gas.

reply to post by jclmavg

I'm being perfectly rational. If you can can definitively "debunk" the GIB (ghostly Indian brave) hypothesis, we can begin to examine other possibilities: the" Lost Zepplelin Hypothesis," the "Headless Railway Engineer Hypothesis," the "Vengeful Scottish Shrike Hypothesis", the "Playful Elemental Hypothesis," et cetera, ad nauseuem. Until you have run controlled experiments to disprove ALL of these, I remain skeptical of any conclusion you draw. Or else, we can agree that there's something "fishy" here and move on. Agreed?


[edit on 18-4-2010 by DJW001]

Originally posted by Mathius
reply to post by RedBird

 

stops and starts for no reason? three possible explanations:

1. it is an alien craft, piloted by an alien, and he/she/it is either bored or following instructions to fly around for peepls to see.

2. it is an alien craft, piloted by a human; who's having fun and testing the machine's ability.

3. it is backwards engineered NASA/US Military craft, piloted by a human employed by the US government.


why over Niagara falls? because it's a cool place, one of the wonders of the world, and if you're gonna fly around, why not do it over a huge illuminated waterfall.





[edit on 18-4-2010 by Mathius]

I think I'm leaning towards #3 but, a test flight. Erratic flight patterns aren't indicative to a highly advanced intelligence IMO either.

Originally posted by FlySolo
Sigh, your putting words in my mouth. I never said they always fly together, I said a few posts back they fly together during feeding, which is probably what they are doing in the video you posted.

Putting words in your mouth? This is what you said:

Originally posted by FlySolo
Bats fly in mass together such as in this video and the others prior. Not in the OP.

You stated that as if bats ALWAYS fly together.... but they DON'T. So you are wrong, and no I didn't put words in your mouth. You tried to make an INVALID point.

Originally posted by FlySolo
The Erratic flight patterns don't resemble the one in the OP. At all, in my opinion. In the first few seconds of the clip I thought I was watching a satellite. Until the hovering and zig zagging maneuvers.

I thought it was a satellite too until it started flying like a bat.

Bats do fly straight and whoever is telling you differently is a liar.

Originally posted by FlySolo
Speaking of zig zagging, what is your opinion on simply trying to following one of those critters with the camera. So far non of the examples have been able to do that. Keeping in mind, the stars are always in the frame. Impossible. Low altitude or not, simply impossible. Not bats and you know it

Stop trying to compare examples and start using your imagination... not everyone takes blurry night shots of bats in the sky, so expecting a 100% matching video is illogical.

None of my examples are of bats at the same altitude, obviously when things are at lower altitudes they are a LOT faster and harder to keep in the frame. In the OP's video, the bat is a lot higher, and because of that the bat is visible from more angles on the ground, and could be followed a lot longer and easier. That is common sense.

I don't know what you mean by "the stars are always in the frame". The guy is filming the sky, of course there is going to be stars in the frame. I just got done watching the video for 30 minutes trying to identify the stars in the background and I noticed the only time the same stars stayed in the frame was when the bat appeared to hover but was really was moving towards the camera. Other than that, it looked like a standard video of some guy filming a flying animal or insect.

Ive seen 1000's of videos of flying animals and insects, and they all look pretty much like the OP's video. Erratic movement.

Originally posted by FlySolo
What is that supposed to mean? I may be confrontational with condescending skeptics but thats all. No love lost.

You don't have as good as memory as me. Maybe you should check your FOE list. I didn't forget you.

Originally posted by ppaaddyy
reply to post by ALLis0NE

 

nope, they fly too straight for bats. They are eratic when turning, bats dont do straight lines or big arcs.

Bat's don't do straight lines or big arcs? That is a lie. You should check your facts.

I've personally seen other objects moving similiar to this object. I'm sure i wasn't looking at a bat. The movement and fluidity of motions is similiar to some tapes from the NASA archives of ufos also.

but, then again it could be just swamp gas.

How about we all contact these people:

INFRARED THERMAL VIDEO ANALYSIS OF BATS

www.cs.bu.edu...

...and send them a link to the video, and ask their opinion. They are the ones that will confirm this is bat in the video.

They also have a few videos and images of bats, however, they are all from swarms of bats coming out of caves, not lone bats like where I live, or in the OP's video.

All I know for a fact is that the OP's video is not of something mechanical, it is a living entity, and is it not as high in the sky as you all think.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Originally posted by FlySolo
nope, they fly too straight for bats. They are eratic when turning, bats dont do straight lines or big arcs.

Bat's don't do straight lines or big arcs? That is a lie. You should check your facts.

I agree, ALLisONE --

And like both you and I said, the movements of a bat filmed at altitude would be very different than one seen at 25 or 50 feet off the ground. The movements that look "very erratic" from a few feet away would look smoother from a few hundred feet away.



[edit on 4/18/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]