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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by K J Gunderson
I am saying that for every American who wants a copy of that birth certificate for themselves, so they don't have to rely upon internet magic, are entitled to it.
Barak Obama is not any schmoe that was born in Hawaii, if indeed that is the case, Obama is the President of the United States and given the requirement by Constitution to be President, the request of any person able to prove citizenship in the U.S. must be acknowledged as legitimate.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Given that the Constitution is clear on matters of citizenship for Presidency and the origin of birth, and given that it is We the People who are Obama's employers, and given that in order to put this matter to rest, Hawaii simply releasing the document to the employer's of Obama,
might go a long way in putting this issue to rest.
Obama would have to supply his original birth certificate as evidence,
Internet magic? Just because you saw it on the internet does not make it internet magic. It was not made on the internet, it was not made for the internet. What you are seeing on the internet are PHOTOGRAPHS that were taken for VISUAL confirmation for people like you. If the only place you saw it was on the internet, that is your problem. It is out there for you to see. Having your own personal copy is pretty stupid in my opinion.
If a copy were issued to every single American, what kind of logic tells you that could not be faked? The only difference between being online and getting your own copy would be the stupid waste of tax dollars to do that.
So tell me, just how would you use your own personal copy to verify it's validity? Can you tell me that?
Yeah yeah yeah. Repeat that clap trap in every post and maybe that will work on. I get it. He is president, constitution, blah blah blah. It has all been done.
Given that the Constitution is clear on matters of citizenship for Presidency and the origin of birth, and given that it is We the People who are Obama's employers, and given that in order to put this matter to rest, Hawaii simply releasing the document to the employer's of Obama, might go a long way in putting this issue to rest. Instead, the employer's of Obama are told regularly they have no right to know such information. Not a good sign for a President who ran on transparency.
Originally posted by Janky Red
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and me
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P.S I know you guys can read and I am guessing most of you are not blind
Thanks
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Faking an actual government seal is infinitely harder to do than photoshopping some photos.
You sound a lot like Obama, and given that he is the President yammering on with his "Constitution, blah, blah, blah, nonsense, it shouldn't come as any surprise that more and more are taking the issue of his birth place seriously. You are not the President and can get away with referring to the Constitution in terms of "blah, blah, blah", Obama does not have such a luxury.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Janky Red
Are you arguing with yourself?
It would be like me asking for your birth certificate.
There were reasonable questions, and reasonable questions are fine. But after the release online of the COLB and the subsequent statement made by Dr. Fukino came out, those questions are no longer reasonable, they are absurd.
I mean you can question it, it's like questioning whether or not the Earth is round, if you believe the Earth is flat, I doubt that any proof will suffice to tell you differently.
The people that question whether or not Obama was indeed born in Hawaii have gotten their answer, the insanity is, they keep asking the question expecting a different result.
Mayor Schweighart has questions, and well, oh tough turkey. All he is going to be able to do is just not vote for Obama in 2012. I completely understand that this issue will never go away. Some birther will post something else. Like the OP posted someone's opinion and thinks its proof. It's not, it's just someone's opinion.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I am not an employee of the People of the United States, I am one of them.
The people questioning this have not received any satisfactory answer
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
There is no comparison. I am a private figure and not a public figure. I am not an employee of the People of the United States, I am one of them.
If they send a copy to every single person then either the seal will be copied onto it or they will just put a seal on each and everyone.
I still need to see how this will verify anything for you. Stop rambling with your political propaganda and just explain how your personal copy will be verifiable. If yours comes with an official seal and mine comes with an official seal, then what good is that official seal again?
I am not referring to the constitution that way but your empty and repetitive rhetoric that way.
Explain to me your idea of having a copy issued to every person and how that is verifiable without devolving into things you already said in EVERY POST and other off topic political ramblings.
The topic is the BC and how you plan to verify it and so far, your first attempt skirted the issue.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
How do I know you are not an illegal alien here to suck up resources paid for by my tax dollar? I believe there are laws about that, right? So as someone who is using roads, telecom, etc infrastructures that I pay for you must prove to me that you are also an American who is also paying to utilize those resources.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Here you betray your own ignorance of the law, and of the law, ignorance is no excuse.
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Here you betray your own ignorance of the law, and of the law, ignorance is no excuse.
Now that is funny. I betray my own ignorance? That is pretty funny. How about I just let you think that means what I guess you think it does while I say thanks. I have been known to have a deep disloyalty for my ignorance. We come to blows often when my knowledge gets in the way.
You can ramble on all you want here but I am not even going to acknowledge it. You are trolling and little else. I asked a wonderfully relevant question that I was fairly sure you would not be able to answer.
You skipped that post entirely and just went for the next thing you thought you could attack. Awesome job ignoring the questions you cannot handle.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The people who have questioned this presidents eligibility will never be satisfied with him so long as he remains president.
Alright, pardon my typical, poor use of levity...
IMO this birth certificate represents a theme that has been employed since the elections.
I believe it is nothing more than an extention of Obama is a closeted Muslim, which was one of many attempts to paint the person as an outsider of sorts.
It is rhetorical red meat, it helps diminish his legitimacy and mobilize a base that is
already inclined to be suspect of him.
I do not accept that rational people are unaware of this crusade of sorts... I suspect a slow and enjoyable game afoot, which serves as a course in a series of death by a thousand cuts.
SOMEWHAT like religion this serves as a perfect social wedge, one cannot prove the existance of god and "this" campaign is designed with similar machnisms in a differnet configuration.
one cannot be "certain" of the legitimacy of
2 - 49 year old newspapers
state officials
The competence of the Clinton political machine (better evidence than a BC IMO)
the mans family
the man himself
the short form BC
because men can lie and falsify
god cannot vocalize or materialize in an unquestionable form
If this even remotely appeared to be a concern based upon GOOD FAITH I would agree
with the legitimacy of the inquiry. It seem diving into a pool of semantics is all that ever
occurs from this discussion -
We must not forget we are ALSO discussing the realm of politics and recognize a toilet bowl could not get dirtier than this realm of societal discourse.
Regardless
This issue goes far beyond my threshold of anything civil or just, I actually feel assaulted by the notion even though it does not concern my person. Beyond most other offenses, a campaign like this in my proxy would be answered with a free trip to the floor.
[edit on 18-4-2010 by Janky Red]
[edit on 18-4-2010 by Janky Red]
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
And all of your last post serves as nothing more than evidence to your own trolling.