It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Archives Show Church Excommunicated Nazis

page: 1
2

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 07:41 PM
link   
Here's an interesting bit of news, the Church considered Nazi ideology to be so evil that it excommunicated Catholics who joined the party, wore the uniform or flew the flag of the Nazi party EVEN BEFORE THE WAR STARTED.

The Church thought the Nazi's were an even greater threat to human morals than even communism.



Archives Show Church Excommunicated Nazis

Foundation Continues Restoring Reputation of Pius XII


NEW YORK, APRIL 16, 2010 (Zenit.org).- An interreligious group trying to discover the facts regarding Pope Pius XII and his efforts to help Jews during World War II has announced the discovery of documents showing how the Church excommunicated Catholics who joined the Nazis.

The New-York based Pave the Way Foundation said that its representative Michael Hesemann found a large series of documents from 1930 to 1933.

The documents indicate that any Catholic who joined the Nazi party, wore the uniform or flew the swastika flag would no longer be able to receive the sacraments.

This policy set three years before Hitler was elected chancellor made clear that the teachings of the Church were incompatible with Nazi ideology.

“The documents clearly show an ideological war between the Catholic Church and National Socialism already in the pre-war decade," Hesemann explained. "The German bishops and the Roman Curia considered the Nazi doctrine not only as incompatible with the Christian faith, but also as hostile to the Church and dangerous to human morals, even more than Communism."

Among the documents is a handwritten letter from a leading member of the Nazis, Hermann Goering, requesting a meeting with Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pius XII), which was flatly refused.

There are also documents asking for a removal of the excommunication, which was also denied.

Read more: Zenit




[edit on 4/17/10 by FortAnthem]




posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:08 PM
link   
reply to post by FortAnthem
 
History shows that the church helped & supported nazis

en.wikipedia.org...(history)

RATLINES
Ratlines were systems of escape routes for Nazis and other fascists fleeing Europe at the end of World War II. These escape routes mainly led toward havens in South America, particularly Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, and Chile. Other destinations included the United States and perhaps Canada and the Middle East. There were two primary routes: the first went from Germany to Spain, then Argentina; the second from Germany to Rome to Genoa, then South America; the two routes "developed independently" but eventually came together to collaborate.

Some of the Nazis and war criminals who escaped using ratlines include:

Adolf Eichmann
Franz Stangl
Gustav Wagner
Erich Priebke
Klaus Barbie
Edward Roschmann
Aribert Heim
Andrija Artuković
Ante Pavelić
Walter Rauff
Alois Brunner
Josef Mengele
Johann Feil




[edit on 17-4-2010 by acrux]



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:47 PM
link   
Pope Benny the rat was a member of the hitler youth. So, is the pope excommunicated now? I heard he had confessed to himself and then forgave all his sons, but just to be sure can you confirm this.
questionable link

Edit: Here are some real links on the pope's hitler youth days...the above was in jest.

uk times
Reuters
MSNBC

[edit on 17-4-2010 by time91]



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:54 PM
link   
reply to post by time91
 


I'm pretty sure a site called "Fake News" isn't a very reliable source.


Then again, they can't be much worse than the MSM and Faux news.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 09:54 PM
link   
reply to post by FortAnthem
 


Various religious groups (ironically including fellow Christians) are highly threatened by the RCC and insist upon propagating their own version of history. There are many stories of the RCC assisting Jews (we're talking WWII here) particularly in and around Rome, but those that oppose the Church refuse to believe it. The RCC has been against Communism since it's inception, as well as Fascism (Mussolini). True, there was a treaty with Mussolini, but honestly what were they going to do, fight him? With what army?

Because of this, and their general hatred for the Church, lies seem to spread that the Church was pro Nazi, NOT true. I do find it odd how even Hitler, himself, accused the Church of aligning itself with the Jews, yet 50+ yrs later, all you read, from fellow Christians no less, is that the Vatican was a full supporter of the Nazi. Good grief.

Here's what I think. Catholics, as a general rule, do not self promote their good deeds, nor are we to participate in gossip (petty or otherwise). True your run of the mill cafeteria Catholics may not follow this (at least the gossip part) but the Vatican does, as they should. But here is the problem, when "practicing what they preach" this petty gossip runs a muck throughout various religious circles, and if you hear something enough one may just believe it.

In real life I've never met anyone with the cojones to say even a fraction of the rubish I read online, and I read a lot of it. At this point my internal crap o meter has reached its max, and I have often found myself engaging in online arguments with these handitards. It is pointless, I give them the facts and direct them to where to locate the info themselves from non Vatican sources, but they don't want to hear it, it is more enjoyable for them to believe or at least promote the theories of the RCC.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 10:13 PM
link   

Originally posted by time91
Pope Benny the rat was a member of the hitler youth. So, is the pope excommunicated now? I heard he had confessed to himself and then forgave all his sons, but just to be sure can you confirm this.
questionable link

[edit on 17-4-2010 by time91]


Where to begin, for such a short post there is so much that needs to be addressed. First of all, say it with me one more time, Hitler's YOUTH, he was a child, well 14 years old to be exact as was the law in Germany where he was born and lived. There is a whole nasty story about what his family was subjected to for dissenting with the Nazi party, as there are thousands of other stories from other non supporters of Nazi party, but I won't get into that unless your interested, which I doubt.

I find it incredibly amusing that people go and point to Hitler Youth as the key and only necessary piece of evidence to prove the Vatican was in step with the Nazi's. The only reason it's even out there is because he wrote about himself in his autobiography, it is and was not a secret, it's in print for anyone to see, but heaven forbid anyone check the actual source they heard Hitler Youth and the conversation is over.

Second, a Priest can not take his own confession so wherever you heard that from clearly isn't even semi informed on Catholicism.

[edit on 17-4-2010 by searching4truth]



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 10:32 PM
link   
reply to post by searching4truth
 


Haha you took that way to seriously. The source I linked was actually a joke about the recent pedophilia scandal, but I think one of the vaticans shills said it was the 'gays'.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 11:55 PM
link   


Here's what I think. Catholics, as a general rule, do not self promote their good deeds, nor are we to participate in gossip (petty or otherwise). True your run of the mill cafeteria Catholics may not follow this (at least the gossip part) but the Vatican does, as they should. But here is the problem, when "practicing what they preach" this petty gossip runs a muck throughout various religious circles, and if you hear something enough one may just believe it.



I am afraid that what you say is true.

Not that all are like that but I would say a vast majority.

My experiences have always been very very positive. But I have only hung with the Nuns.

A did spend a couple of weeks at a Benedictine monastery. (Monks)

It was absolutely relaxing. Peaceful. And full of educated debate of which I could mainly listen.

[edit on 17-4-2010 by whiteraven]



new topics

top topics



 
2

log in

join