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The Concerted effort by the Left to vilify the Tea Party

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posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by Kaytagg

The government is an institution -- it's role is to facilitate certain programs (like welfare, as well as war) on behalf of and for the people. It has an agenda, and a purpose, outlined in the constitution, etc.


I still have to disagree. For one thing, government by definition is all about control and oversight of people. That is not done by some abstract idea. It is carried out by...

Governers. These would be the same people that designed, implemented, and carry out what you call government. It was made by men and it is run by men. It is...still just men.


Politicians are elected administrators to run/modify/tweak the government, on behalf of, and for the people. Any changes they make are expected to be carried on by the next politician, unless that politician decides to change it. This is where the institution and the person diverge; to give you an example, look at the any of the amendments in the constitution. They were written in there by politicians, quite a long time ago -- yet, they are still upheld to this day.


You do realize that you just supplied the perfect example of what I am saying, don't you?

You just pointed out that it was made by men and men can even alter it, add to it, take away from it...to this very day.


They are not upheld by the dead politicians who wrote them, but rather by the institution which those politicians established, tweaked, and ran.


No, they are upheld by the current living politicians. The constitution can always still be ammended so you are totally losing me here.




Also, not everybody working in the government is a politician. The govt is MOSTLY composed of grunts hired by the administrators which we elect.


You should look up "government." Those grunts that just do grunt work are not part of the government. They are part of the labor that helps government function. Government is about rule, not filing.




In the case of big business, there is no choice but to make (what you and I probably consider) bad decisions.


I definitely disagree. There is always a choice, even if it meant going out of business, the choice is still there.


Of course, the irony is that they are making good (great) decisions for their shareholders -- and that's where the issue gets sticky.


That is because the men that run these companies are greedy, not because the word "business" is corrupt. The shareholders are happy, they do better. Everyone is greedy. All of those people are still people. Those are the people doing the things that I can be mad at.


It is these shareholders who facilitate and uphold the institutional role of big business, which is to ignore externalities (like inequality, poverty, and pollution), and instead focus on maximizing profits. Not only does a business administrator have to answer to his shareholders, but he also has to answer to the competition. In other words, if he doesn't do it, somebody else will. Big business administrators will reach a mutual equilibrium of immorality because of the nature of how the system is designed to facilitate competition and progress. It can not be stopped by any one single business admin.


Kind of looks like you are changing your tune and realize that it actually the people running businesses that are to blame and not "business."

Good to see you come around.


That is the difference between the person running the company, and the company itself.


You mean the difference I already pointed out? Yeah, I know. That was my point when it was in opposition to what your point once was.




posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 04:33 AM
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Institutions are structures and mechanisms of social order and cooperation governing the behavior of a set of individuals within a given human collectivity. Institutions are identified with a social purpose and permanence, transcending individual human lives and intentions, and with the making and enforcing of rules governing cooperative human behavior. The term "institution" is commonly applied to customs and behavior patterns important to a society, as well as to particular formal organizations of government and public service. As structures and mechanisms of social order among humans, institutions are one of the principal objects of study in the social sciences, including sociology, political science, and economics. Institutions are a central concern for law, the formal mechanism for political rule-making and enforcement. The creation and evolution of institutions is a primary topic for history.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now that you understand the word "institution" (hopefully) reread what I wrote, and it will make sense



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
 

Interesting take right here...and doesn't strike me as a whiny Lib...

The Tea Party movement has left the realm of a voluntarism and has succumbed to fundraising pond scum. www.thepoliticalcesspool.org...

Wow that sounds like about 99% of whats associated with the democratic party. Bottom feeders and pound scum.


Speaking as a mere ignorant foreigner, I'd say the GOP has a pretty good handle on feeding off the bottom and scumming of the pond as well. Fact is the current political process, where two parties have all the marbles pretty much lends itself to that kind of scenario. My only point here is that there is more to the undermining of the Tea Parties than vilification by the Dems. Suborning by the GOP needs to be recognised as well.

What y'all need are pinkos and separatists with significant power as well. Things may not go any smoother, but they're a lot more entertaining.


[edit on 19-4-2010 by JohnnyCanuck]



Great but what other info do we have about the Tea Party that the press hasnt given us? Nagative things that is. Other than bad things comming from the press I haven heard any bad things. By that I mean bad platform.

Many have a problem when they see ANY predominantly white movement of any kind. You may not know but in this country whites/blacks everbody has been brainwashed to believe that when whites move as a group its got to be bad. We can have our Mexican marches and 1mill man marches and even whites have been conditioned to believe these movements are something other than race centered.

Do you understand whats been done to the white mind in this country when they are put on the defensive for gathering in mass? Or to the black mind when it believes its the only race that is justifed for gathering in mass?

We are all the victims of some very cunning wizards.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by Kaytagg
Now that you understand the word "institution" (hopefully) reread what I wrote, and it will make sense


I never argued with any definition of institution. Perhaps you need to re-read what both of us have written. I do not agree with your correlation between the words you have chosen to use. I was talking about government, politicians, business, and the people that run them. I never once acknowledged your poor comparison to the word institution. It was peripheral nonsense and probably why you chose that to define instead of government or big business, which might actually have made some sense.

Now that I have pointed out logic and reality to you, go back and re-read yourself.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11
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A very good post .
Essentially The Tea Party is a bunch of angry people who have no coherent message . In effect you are seeing shades of post WW1 Germany people that angry and/or in economic dire straights are susceptible to the extremes of the political spectrum . In Germany the far right prevailed because it was better organised .

Will the same thing happen in the USA ?
Its possible I can't go into greater detail without going off topic .


No coherent message?

The Tea Party is at its core a group of people that dont take to being saddled well and thank god somebody around still finds this distastefull.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:34 AM
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The Tea Party was created for one PURPOSE only, the overreaching component of government.

Now, who would be detrimentally effected if this movement continued?

The Dems? The Repubs?

EXACTLY!

Both parties and their powerbase would be destroyed if this movement would continue.

Frell you and the MSM that brought you. I have seen Fox and the other MSM conspire to either control it or to obfuscate it!

We also have people here doing the SAME!

How bout opening your eyes and seeing that you are being LIED TO ON ALL FRONTS!



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock
No coherent message?

The Tea Party is at its core a group of people that dont take to being saddled well and thank god somebody around still finds this distastefull.


What is that coherent message? Being saddled well? What does that mean?



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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No, you missed the most important adding that Obama did the week after he signed the HCR.

He signed to make Medicaid the biggest insurer for the poor and those that the big insurance companies will not be able to gouge with their unregulated premiums.

That is going to be your public option, paid by tax payer when taxes will be raised starting next year after the Financial Reform new rules takes place.

And don't believe for a moment that is going to be pay by the rich and wealthy when the states run out of Federal money to finance the other half of Medicaid as the 100% percent funding will be over by 2017 The states will start raising taxes for everybody to keep expanding Medicaid.

See I have been keeping up with the reality of the mammoth HCR the tax payer all over the nation including the dying middle class and the holders of our nations burden of debt will be double dipped to pay no only for the gouging of the private insurance premiums but also to pay for the federal funding and state funding of what will become the Public option.

That is not the way that a public option should be financed, making medicare bigger at the expenses of tax payer is bound to fail.

A public option should be independent from any entittlement programs running right now or either eliminate Medicare and Medicaid and turn them into public option as funds are already allocated into those two programs by the tax payer.

My prediction is that the HCR is bound to fail as more and more Americans are becoming unemployed or working on jobs that are under or poverty level.


[edit on 20-4-2010 by marg6043]



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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What many fail to see is the REAL culprit in keeping people apart. That culprit is the lame stream media. THEY control what you see, what you don't see, and what your interpretation of those observed events should be. Even when you disagree with the LSM, you are playing into their game. Remember that Nazi Germany used the media to shape the opinion of the "average" German, "guiding" them to the belief that the Jews were responsible for all of that nation's ills.
Propaganda is still the bullet that fires the kill. Without the LSM, there would be no way to disseminate the lies of the politicians.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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Most of the replies seem to be an arguement about the tea party message rather than the topic which is vilification of the movement. I submit that the message must be working otherwise the leftist regime would not be as animated as it is to portray the movement as racist and violent. As ussual with liberal/leftists let's not address the argument let's slander the speaker.

Since this is after all a conspiracy website, I submit that not only is there a drone of tea party=racists=violent, but they have done everything to create an episode for the cameras. The Pelosi & Black Caucus march through the protesters at capital hill before the healthcare vote was an obvious ploy trying to create a violent outburst for the cameras to record. Infiltrators at tea party rally's using disruptive tactics in the middle of the meeting with cameras following were also an obvious attempt to create an incident. Could any of you Obama Zombies imagine someone carrying an conflicting message into the middle of a SEIU gathering or million man march and expect to not be accosted? Again no violence was recorded at the tea party.

If the leftists are unable to create an incident, I suggest that they will create their own false flag incident and blame it on the tea party. This is probable because with the incredible investigative journalists we have today their will be no effort to discern who caused the incident only a landslide of negative coverage with the predisposed conclusion that all involved were violent racist tea party activists.

Maybe that's what Andy Stern is working on.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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This is probable because with the incredible investigative journalists we have today their will be no effort to discern who caused the incident only a landslide of negative coverage with the predisposed conclusion that all involved were violent racist tea party activists.

Yes, that is exactly my point. The journalists are not interested in who CAUSED it, but they ARE interested in the CAUSE, namely to vilify any attempt by ordinary citizens to stand up to the hijacking of the people's government by the crooks on both sides of the aisle, and their criminal lobbyists. If they are successful in squashing this heart-felt effort by ordinary citizens, then there are only two alternatives for ordinary citizens, one is to give up, and the second is not very pretty. America is truly at a crossroad today. Events are moving so quickly, that something will happen. It is only a matter of the nature of that "something".



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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if the true intentions of the "tea party" is to vilify government and take back the country for "we the people"

then buddying up with the GOP is not sending that message.

The GOP, just like the DNC, is 100% responsible for the mess we're in today.

To treat it like it's anything else is nothing but willful stupidity.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Snarf
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if the true intentions of the "tea party" is to vilify government and take back the country for "we the people"

then buddying up with the GOP is not sending that message.

The GOP, just like the DNC, is 100% responsible for the mess we're in today.

To treat it like it's anything else is nothing but willful stupidity.




Perhaps you are confusing the Tea Party Express with the core TPM in general. The core movement is not generally pleased with the leadership behind the Express.

Anyway, The GOP has certainly tried to get their mitts on this movement just as the DNC strives to discredit it. Unfortunately, we are stuck with a two party system until enough time has passed to allow for a strong and viable 3rd party that has enough might to defeat the DNC and the GOP. At the moment, the main benefit of the TPM in general is that it has encouraged ordinary people to take a stand and speak their minds and the message is certainly getting through. This is now a daily topic of debate on ATS and in the media.

So, for now, the focus should be placed on a full replacement of dead beat incumbents in both parties. The newly elected freshmen then need to focus on strict congressional reform issues that will benefit the constituents and not the career politicians. Perhaps then we can get back to a government that actually works for us and heeds the views of the voters.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by jibeho]



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 06:13 AM
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In reality if anybody thinks The Tea Party movement has a coherent message is letting their emotions get the better of any rationality . Claiming the usual American right wing paranoia about Socialism and then wanting Social Security for yourselves is not a consistent or coherent message . Remember that the instigators of domestic terrorism will pray on peoples emotions in order to get them to do deplorable things .

Once The Tea Party movement is blacklisted as a terrorist organisation and Mccarthyism is renewed afresh a lot of ordinary every day folks who were connected in any manner to such a body are in for a very hard time . Palin won't have a hard time thou she will drift further to the right on the political idealogical spectrum until she becomes a fascist .



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Once The Tea Party movement is blacklisted as a terrorist organisation and Mccarthyism is renewed afresh a lot of ordinary every day folks who were connected in any manner to such a body are in for a very hard time

I really believe that both of those statements are quite implausible. First of all, it would be quite hard for anyone to prove that a group of average Americans that are upset over the deficit and the direction of the country are terrorists.
As to the McCarthy-ism, an extreme right-winger, that of course was an attempt by a member of Congress to prove that communists were in the government. In this case, that would mean that those in power now, left-wing socialists would be accusing right-wingers of being communists. That might fly on Saturday Night Live, as extremely funny, but no one in their right mind would take such a claim seriously-namely those in power ratting on themselves!



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Bill Clinton's remarks are just the latest in a series of accusatory remarks made concerning the Tea Party movement. Obama, Pelosi, the Lame Stream Media, Reid, and many others have either hinted or outright accused the Tea Party of inciting violence, and condemned the Tea Party movement.
I believe that these concerted efforts to vilify the tea party are orchestrated, and planned at the highest levels of the Democratic party.
In actuality, their attempts have shown the average American the true colors of the left, namely that it is ok to dissent, as long as you agree with them. Any other type of dissent is considered treason or an attempt to "overthrow" the government.
There is no greater conspiracy in the US today, than this attempt to squash any opposition to their agenda. In my opinion, their conspiracy is the ultimate in treasonous acts. In concert with the attacks on virtually all of other Bill of Rights, this is a DIRECT attack on the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It is disguised as "opinion", but there is little doubt that as the Tea Party continues to grow, attempts will be made in Congress to try to suppress freedom of speech. These will be disguised in bills thousands of pages long, and couched in legalese that get passed in the middle of the night, with virtually no coverage.
Will Americans stand by, as they destroy the Bill of Rights? It will be interesting to see how much of this "Chinese water torture" is tolerated.


So 43 can tell any American "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists!" was somehow ok?

The Tea Group went after the banks originally but for some stupid and unconfirmed reason they love the banks, the insurance lobby and won't dare talk yap on them.

The problem is the msm keeps on giving these fanatical nut jobs a guranteed platform to spew their crud while being actually for people and being liberal has somehow become a criminal act.

IN SHORT,
THOSE THAT CONTINUALLY ADD TO THE DIVIDE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PLAYS RIGHT INTO TPTB'S HANDS AND AGENDAS.
ALL WHO CONTINUALLY DIVIDE THE NATION ARE ANTI AMERICAN AND ARE TERRORISTS IN HIDING.

THE TEA GROUP IS A RACIST FRONT OF THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD AND IF THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET SHUT DOWN AND SHUT DOWN SOON WE WILL HAVE A FULL SCALE RIOT ON OUR HANDS.

No one wants to see that.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by billyjack
Most of the replies seem to be an arguement about the tea party message rather than the topic which is vilification of the movement. I submit that the message must be working otherwise the leftist regime would not be as animated as it is to portray the movement as racist and violent. As ussual with liberal/leftists let's not address the argument let's slander the speaker.



At the core of their fear is that whites would unite to become a voteing block, the largest block. Never mind that all the other races vote as a large block....thats ok and uesfull. But if whites were to vote as a large block....well you see.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Bill Clinton's remarks are just the latest in a series of accusatory remarks made concerning the Tea Party movement. Obama, Pelosi, the Lame Stream Media, Reid, and many others have either hinted or outright accused the Tea Party of inciting violence, and condemned the Tea Party movement.
I believe that these concerted efforts to vilify the tea party are orchestrated, and planned at the highest levels of the Democratic party.
In actuality, their attempts have shown the average American the true colors of the left, namely that it is ok to dissent, as long as you agree with them. Any other type of dissent is considered treason or an attempt to "overthrow" the government.
There is no greater conspiracy in the US today, than this attempt to squash any opposition to their agenda.



IN SHORT,
THOSE THAT CONTINUALLY ADD TO THE DIVIDE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PLAYS RIGHT INTO TPTB'S HANDS AND AGENDAS.
ALL WHO CONTINUALLY DIVIDE THE NATION ARE ANTI AMERICAN AND ARE TERRORISTS IN HIDING.

THE TEA GROUP IS A RACIST FRONT OF THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD AND IF THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET SHUT DOWN AND SHUT DOWN SOON WE WILL HAVE A FULL SCALE RIOT ON OUR HANDS.

No one wants to see that.


Man you are just flat wrong about the TP being a front for AB. You probably know it and are up to other things.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Bill Clinton's remarks are just the latest in a series of accusatory remarks made concerning the Tea Party movement. Obama, Pelosi, the Lame Stream Media, Reid, and many others have either hinted or outright accused the Tea Party of inciting violence, and condemned the Tea Party movement.
I believe that these concerted efforts to vilify the tea party are orchestrated, and planned at the highest levels of the Democratic party.
In actuality, their attempts have shown the average American the true colors of the left, namely that it is ok to dissent, as long as you agree with them. Any other type of dissent is considered treason or an attempt to "overthrow" the government.
There is no greater conspiracy in the US today, than this attempt to squash any opposition to their agenda. In my opinion, their conspiracy is the ultimate in treasonous acts. In concert with the attacks on virtually all of other Bill of Rights, this is a DIRECT attack on the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It is disguised as "opinion", but there is little doubt that as the Tea Party continues to grow, attempts will be made in Congress to try to suppress freedom of speech. These will be disguised in bills thousands of pages long, and couched in legalese that get passed in the middle of the night, with virtually no coverage.
Will Americans stand by, as they destroy the Bill of Rights? It will be interesting to see how much of this "Chinese water torture" is tolerated.


The Lame Stream Media
?

Palin might sue you ass for forgetting to put the TM.

Is the TP the only group allowed to be angry?



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Logarock
 


In reality if anybody thinks The Tea Party movement has a coherent message is letting their emotions get the better of any rationality . Claiming the usual American right wing paranoia about Socialism and then wanting Social Security for yourselves is not a consistent or coherent message . Remember that the instigators of domestic terrorism will pray on peoples emotions in order to get them to do deplorable things .



Oh yes there Karl...deplorable things like stand up and vote jackasses out of power. That would be deplorable...



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