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Why is born again Christians promoting Islamphobia and Pro Zionism?

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posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Why is born again Christians promoting Islamphobia? I'm a Born Again Christian but I'm questioning some of it's doctrine because some of it's seems to be wrong.
Also I'm critizing Zionism because I'm very aware of the situation in Palestine and my fellow born agains called call Palestinians guilty of terrorism. Any born again who support my views




posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Do you really expect western raised people who were taught to love and not blow themselves up for a god who can kill quite effeciently by Himself to listen to that BS???

They have to protect God???

He needs NO human protection...

Islam is run by a guy who killed, married an 8 year old...

Jesus came to set us free from religion... Did not kill anyone.... Just Himself...

Do the math....



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Ironically, Islam-Judaism-Christianity all worship the same god. The god of Abraham or whatever. Maybe he is the god of divide and conquer? It would make sense at this point in history.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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Maybe because....Rabbi Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (Gk. Iesous) was a Daviddic Jew, who operated within Jewish (albeit Apoocalyptic) Millieu - regularly quoted and ccommented upon the Aramaic Targum versions of his ad hoc various 'holy' scriptures (which included some of the canonical OT we read today, and alot more besides) and clearly held a distinct Zionist Weltanschauung throughout his entire life.



Step back and reflect: all of his disciples were Galilean zionist males, and even Saul of Tarsus (aka Paul) who although he never met the man excpet in 'dreams and visions' called himself a 'Jew' (albeit a Diaspora Greek speaking one, born in Turkey i.e. Tarsus, the capital of Roman Cilicia) - and moreover had a distinct Tendenz to think that non Jewish gentiles were skanky at best:

Here's a pip:

'But he turned and said to her: Lady, the Bar-Enasha ('son of man', see Aramaic Daniel 7:13-14) was sent ONLY to regather the Elect of the Lost Sheep of the House of Yisro'el, and anyway...since when is it right to take the Children's Bread out of their Mouths and throw it away on the Dogs under the Table?'

--the 1st canonical Greek gospel ('according to Matthew' whoever he was)
chapter 15:24-26

The word 'dogs' (or more commonly 'ritually-unclean gentile dogs') in Aramaic is a common word for non Jews (i.e. goyim, or 'gentiles') in the Dead Sea Scrolls which were still being copied (see caves 1-11) right up to June of the year AD 68.

So if the very founder of the Christian religion was a zionst/racist armed gentile hating seditionist (who armed his disciples with swords at Passover in 36 CE at the 100th anniversary of the Invasion of that other Gentile Dog, the Roman General Pompeywho occupied Judaea in 63 BCE) or at the very least regularly referred to and used racist zionist piglet language and thinking in his 'teaching' material---why on earth are you so surprised that so many modern day Christians (many of whom cannot read Koine Greek, or know any Hebrew or Galielan Aramaic at all --- and do not even know they are worshipping the clan-god of the Jews !) overlook so much of the pain and suffering inflicted on the indigenous Palestinian population, whom successive modern day Israeli goverments regard as little more than dumb animals who (they believe) need regularly to be kicked in the ribs with the heel of a boot, and their faces rubbed in the dirt so they will learn their place?



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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They need something outside of themselves to give them drive and purpose. I really don't understand that, because I've done just fine without any religious indoctrination. Oh well.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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But Are you aware that IsraHELL also persecute messianic jews?



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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I didn't know i promoted Islamaphobia, that's news to me



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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I don't know if I speak for all "born again Christians" but the fundamentalist, TV evangelist politics you refer to follow a certain stream in American society.
They believe that the Old Tetament has certain prophesies that were fulfilled with the founding of the state of Israel in 1948.
In the political theory that views Israel as a satelite state of the US in the Midddle East, this reading of certain Biblical texts fits in nicely with the political agenda. Since most of these preachers have political aspirations, they use a kind of ultra-Zionism as a pseudo-religious political interpretation of Scripture.
Before the Cold War ended around 1990, atheistic Communism was the main target of US foreign policy, and both the US and Israel helped to arm and fund extremist Muslim groups. Now Communism is gone, and Islam has become the new threat.
The Middle East has huge oil reserves, so it is strategic to US and World interests.
Telling the Americans that Israel is god-ordained is therefore also telling them that they are unconditional allies with Israel, which justifies a huge moral and monetary support for this tiny state, which is indeed under constant islamic threat.

Not a great explanation, hope somebody can do better?



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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From what I have heard, this is why the born again Christians are doing that.
It has to deal with the concept of the rapture, and the return of Christ. All of this can not happen until the temple in Jerusalem. It is believed, that when the main temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, then it would pave the way for the second comming of Jesus Christ, and the rapture. So in order for that to happen they have to hate those who are Muslim, and the destruction of the Dome of the Rock, so the new temple can be build. Personally I think that when that happens it will be a sad day, as the Dome is wonder and a historical monument.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
reply to post by Yissachar1
 


But Are you aware that IsraHELL also persecute messianic jews?


Yep... My own family being one of them... Gods prophecy.... Screw you guys.....



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:30 PM
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Don't believe me watch this

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 16-4-2010 by starwarsisreal]



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
Why is born again Christians promoting Islamphobia? I'm a Born Again Christian but I'm questioning some of it's doctrine because some of it's seems to be wrong.
Also I'm critizing Zionism because I'm very aware of the situation in Palestine and my fellow born agains called call Palestinians guilty of terrorism. Any born again who support my views


Yep, I'm concerned about this too. I belonged to a huge church for 15 yrs. Recently, I found a picture of the pastor in a newspaper hugging a man. I did some research on this guy and it turns out he's a Zionist, and the church was holding an "Israel Day."

It makes me not want to have anything to do with this church.

I don't know anything about the Islamphobia.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
Why is born again Christians promoting Islamphobia? I'm a Born Again Christian but I'm questioning some of it's doctrine because some of it's seems to be wrong.
Also I'm critizing Zionism because I'm very aware of the situation in Palestine and my fellow born agains called call Palestinians guilty of terrorism. Any born again who support my views

It is due to a popular Futurist interpretation of biblical prophecy...
...first devised by Dispensationalist in the early 1800's.

This school of thought now has its focus in the US...
...and in the past has influenced foriegn policy...
...including the resettlement and contined support of Israel.

True Christian's regard all humans as equal.

Paul expressed it in a 1st century context like this...

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28

True Christians regard any human being as one restored by grace...
...but Futurist theology just builds more walls and does the work of anti-christ.



[edit on 16/4/10 by troubleshooter]



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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Here is the link in addition pastor hagee also promote islamophobia
www.thirdworldtraveler.com...
www.theamericanmuslim.org...

[edit on 16-4-2010 by starwarsisreal]



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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Since most of these preachers have political aspirations, they use a kind of ultra-Zionism as a pseudo-religious political interpretation of Scripture.
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I just want to clarify here that although the ultra-Zionism in US Christian funadamentalsim (which is really global through missionizing and Christian television) appears to "love" the Jewish people, this is not always the case, and many Jews and Israelis are concerned about its effects.

Ultimately it says that the Jews will resume animal sacrifice on the old temple in Jerusalem with a red cow. This will bring the anti-Christ and a global war at Meggido.
And this is the crux: all Jews will then be given the opportunity to turn to Christ, and those who refuse will burn in hell along with all other unbelievers.

Arguably that is not a pro-Jewish theology, but a belief that simply temporarily uses the Jews to usher in the "second coming" of Christ.
It is blatantly anti-Semitic.

The fading of this Millenialist cultish outlook, and misinterpretation of Scripture could be disastrous for US politics, so they keep on indoctrinating people with it, since Hal Lindsay's publications in the 1970s.

It's certainly making preachers richer, but the aggression it sparks in the Mid-East is making nobody safer, and it's so hypocritical for them to pray for "the peace of Jerusalem".



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
Do you really expect western raised people who were taught to love and not blow themselves up for a god who can kill quite effeciently by Himself to listen to that BS???

They have to protect God???

He needs NO human protection...

Islam is run by a guy who killed, married an 8 year old...

Jesus came to set us free from religion... Did not kill anyone.... Just Himself...

Do the math....


Hey hypocrite, don't forget that your Prophet Moshe also killed in vain... Even before he became a prophet. Remember why he was running away?

But I guess it's OK for YOUR prophet to kill people, and its OK for YOUR people to smash babies' heads on rocks and kill everything that breathes in a town... But Muhammad was a ruthless barbarian.



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Yissachar1
Jesus came to set us free from religion... Did not kill anyone.... Just Himself...


Do you read the same bible I do? Is Jesus God to you? Did you read the flood story? Did you read any of the stories were Moses and company wiped out nations under their god's authorization? Whachoo talkin' bout Willis?

EDIT: Ah man, the guy above me beat me to it.

[edit on 16-4-2010 by Hydroman]



posted on Apr, 16 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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Folks more info on Islamophobia marcovilla.instablogs.com...



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 06:46 PM
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This matter is an old one.

There were early Christians: some who believed Jesus (as) was divine, other who believed he was half-divine and half-man, and others who believe, as us Muslims do, that he is a normal, but a Prophet/Messenger, who was born to the Virgin Mary, through a miracle from God.

The Romans needed to unite the Christians so they had a meeting and hashed it out and went with the doctrine that is prevalent today, although it is false.

Islam is the perfection of religion. Islam is not the religion as a word, but the religion is the religion of Abraham, and all the other Prophets and Messenger (peace be upon them all). That religion is submission to God, believe in the Angels, his Messengers, his books, Heaven and Hell, and the Last Day (Judgement Day).

If we go by the "Big 3" we will say that Moses (as) taught the people the rituals or religion, but they lacked spirituality. The rituals became a hollow series of movements. Jesus (as) came and focused on spirituality to restore that into the lives of people. Muhammad (saw) came and put it all together, first making everyone understood the reality of the Oneness of God, then teaching the divine commandments and allowing us a method to keep them from corruption, which unfortunately is what befell the other holy texts.

Muhammad (saw) is the Final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets. It is not a religion for Arabs but a religion to all mankind. It was revealed to the Arabs for a number of reasons:

One: Because they were largely unaffected at the time by the other 2 religions, therefore, they would not mix the religions and Islam would be clean from confusion.

Two: Their language is and was important for the preservation of the Qur'aan and the words of the Prophet (saw). Making it near impossible to mix falsehood into it or to attribute a false saying to the Prophet (saw) without being exposed.

When you look at the entire context of the Shar'iah (Islamic Law) you will see a solution to every single one of society's ills. The only ones who reject it are ones in this age are those who are afraid to lose something that they have grown attached, although it is bad for them.

This possible "loss" is what drives Christians and Jews to unite against Muslims.

Just one example:

One day, insha'Allah, we will be in a position to outlaw usury (interest). How will those in the current power structure feel about such a thing?

That is why they must fight us. And that is why we must fight them.



posted on Apr, 17 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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Christian, Jew, Moslem. What's the difference ?

You're all the same, promoting violence in the name of a"god". Throw off the shackles of superstition and learn to face the fact that we are all responsible for our own actions.


[edit on 17-4-2010 by Noncompatible]



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