Senators: Move carefully on Pentagon Cyber Command

Senators: Move carefully on Pentagon Cyber Command

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Alexander said the new command is "not about an effort to militarize cyberspace," but is about safeguarding the integrity of the networks and improving the way the U.S. defends itself in cyberspace.

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Seems like we beat this topic to death, but now it appears the Military are trying to take a stake in what they deem viewable.

I'm sure if it were up to them, we wouldn't "Need to Know" anything at all. "Need to know" - it's just such a highly accepted and defended precept. Just something that "has" to be there.

It's hard to tell if we're going Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Anarchist or some kind of meld of the worst attributes of all of these into a whole new paradigm of horror and terror.

They are definitely no where near giving up on this issue, and I advise all to take extreme heed.

If we lose the net...we simply lose.

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Senators said Thursday they will move cautiously on a new military command to tackle cyberthreats

This is like saying they would move cautiously on a new military command to tackle attacks on businesses or homes.

Alexander said the new command is "not about an effort to militarize cyberspace," but is about safeguarding the integrity of the networks and improving the way the U.S. defends itself in cyberspace.

U.S defending itself in cyberspace should only be limited to the defense of .gov sites and nothing else.

Military has nothing to do with the internet
Besides, aren't the CIA spying on us more than any cyberattacker?

This initiative is basically getting their foot in the e-door.

Originally posted by lagnar


It's hard to tell if we're going Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Anarchist or some kind of meld of the worst attributes of all of these into a whole new paradigm of horror and terror.


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How the flying # can you combine 3 ideologies that promote huge centralized power with a ideology that calls for the entire LACK of centralized power?

It's pretty clear the road we're traveling. It's a bizarre mixture of communism, fascism and corporatism. The left bring in commie ideas, the right bring in fascist ideas, and in reality, together with how our country already is, it creates a cluster# of authoritarian ideologies.

It's just another prong or the real attack on the internet...by them that do not want us to know what they're doing behind closed doors.

They're coming at us from all directions now, doing everything they can do demonize the net and what it represents.

It's not enough that the mainstream media ignores, and in fact laughs at their duty to watchdog this or any other administration.

They are going to simply stare at it, as it takes its last breath.

Then they'll wonder why they can't seem to contact anyone anymore, as we'll all be outside playing, doing yard work, getting healthy and planting gardens...as we probably should have been doing all along.

I don't know about anyone else, but I leave my phone in the house when I go outside to work...both kinds even.

But on the flip-side to this being possible...will they give up their most efficient tool of misinformation, disinformation so easily?

I don't know if I see it happening so easily...even from the backdoor deals. I'm sure Google is just livid over this stuff...I can hope anyway.

reply to post by SpectreDC

I didn't actually expect anyone to catch that, and cudos to you for doing so, but does it really matter?

I am one who believes that the root of all these problems is simply money, and that it doesn't matter what title we decide to designate it, but that seems like a whole new thread topic that's been beat to death.

It doesn't matter what ism we submit to...we're still submitting to money.

Originally posted by lagnar
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

I didn't actually expect anyone to catch that, and cudos to you for doing so, but does it really matter?

I am one who believes that the root of all these problems is simply money, and that it doesn't matter what title we decide to designate it, but that seems like a whole new thread topic that's been beat to death.

It doesn't matter what ism we submit to...we're still submitting to money.

No, we're still submitting to authority. That's the issue. Money isn't inherently evil.

The way I like to see it, when it comes to "potential harm", capitalism can bring about either greatest good for people, bringing great harmony and peace, or bring the greatest evil, bringing tyranny and depression.

Communism/Socialism can fit in between. It can bring about decent good, and it can bring about decent evil.

Frankly if it isn't evident to anyone it's the state that's the problem.

reply to post by lagnar


Perhaps the federal government should just be honest instead of keeping secrets against just about everyone on the planet and people won't want to break in so much to their servers. And then perhaps they can stop act like a rampaging war elephant killing people for the pretty much no reason at all and people will have yet less incentive to break in.

Military secrets are a good thing... but if thats the only thing the US government needs to watch out for perhaps they can re-route the tens of billions of dollars and great effort used to spy on fellow Americans toward hiring security experts to handle cyber-attacks on the military more directly without having to screw up the entire internet like an ill-trained 6-month old big dog in a fancy house with lots of curtains.

I love government... just not my government.

reply to post by SpectreDC

If I wanted to stray the topic of this thread to money, it would become another thread entirely. I'll just ask this simple question - what do you think would happen if the entire world decided to boycott all forms of money, on the same day and extending for a month? Any answer you come up with should address your last comment.

The internet is the ONLY thorn left in the side of the true rulers of this so-called "New World Order" - to which they are the only beneficiaries.

Truth be known, I don't see how even that could matter to them at all, as the momentum and inertia their plans have managed to accumulate will almost certainly take any agenda they might have to its fruition.

Obviously, whether real news is available or not, it doesn't seem as tho anyone has escaped the infection of degradation in clarity of thought, ingenuity of wits, absence of disillusionment or accentuation of willful ignorance. In other words...even as this information has been more and more available as the weeks and months progress, either no one is capable of caring for anything more than their immediate financial situations (understandably), or they simply don't care enough to know. Unfortunately, we will ALL pay the price that these people either truly deserve or are propelled toward, not of their own accord.

Every threat to internet regulation I've seen on ATS has been far too neglected to prove to me that we'll even bother reading about it, let alone doing our own research, or even - God forbid - acting on what we learn.

reply to post by truthquest

They don't kill for "no reason at all" - 'pretty much' or not. Whether they know it yet or not (some have learned the hard way), they kill so others can make money - and obscene amounts of it at that.

While I agree with where your heart appears to be - applaud it in fact - I don't think it's all sinking in quite right.

Still, I think you're on the right side.

reply to post by lagnar


S&F. This is so very important.

I am still stunned. But let me synopsize:

Forget Net Neutrality;

the Internet will be a Militarized Zone,

thanks to your Global Corporate Government, aka the NWO.

...Did I get it right?

reply to post by soficrow

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up, at least on this go-round.

However, it truly doesn't matter what avenue they pursue in their fight against the net, or what threat we can possibly perceive; we must stay vigilant and aware of all possibilities and quash them upon inception if we are to have even a minuscule chance of preserving the last bastion of free speech and more the to point, freely unfettered information we have left.

I'd dare say it is paramount, but I also like delving into the other side of the coin, if for nothing more than reflection (or deflection if you will :/ ).

Perhaps it would be their downfall, after all. If people actually had to start talking face to face, and actually meeting each other, I believe the transition into organization the likes of which even M.L.K., J.F.K. or even Ron Paul hasn't known would be possible. As it is, I think the net is actually keeping people from one another, in a tactile way, thus hindering or disabling certain parts of any organizing that might be possible.

But as long as we understand that, and take every opportunity provided us to actually meet others with like concerns, I think it's far better to keep this info train as brake-free and unencumbered as possible.

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I cannot see them taking away the net, as have it and they always liek to pretend we have our freedoms. As long as we do not speak about violence, i think they do not care much, as they have disinfo guys out there to rubbish any truths.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
How the flying # can you combine 3 ideologies that promote huge centralized power with a ideology that calls for the entire LACK of centralized power?

I have to laugh at that. I used to work with a couple of self-described anarchist that believed in an all powerful and controlling central government. I raised the issue with them a couple of times but they looked at me like I was stupid. They were pretty young so I just chalked it up to extreme ignorance.

We need to maintain, at all costs, a completely transparent, open and free internet with no militia or nazis on it, so we the people can get organized and in their face. Always.

One useful online venture for citizens would be to start a massive campaign to talk about the political system and to form a think tank for a alternative one, including doing away with banks, a grass roots venus project and setting new standards in leadership, ie. everyone takes their turn, we're the ones we've been waiting for.

Organize online ideas for performing, enmasse, in huge numbers citizens arrests on these traitors and for exploring and exposing their underground bases. I'd start with Denver International Airport and a few others. Time to take it back.

Organize online for boycotting all of "their" business, and pool resources to replace them all with peoples businesses, and only buy from each other, though we don't need money.

We created their empire, we can crash it!

Only support each other. If they make any arrests have online round table agreements whereby milions show up and tell the judge this is an illegal treasonous court, we all agree with the vicitim.

Stand together, stand up for each other. Organzie transparent. Knock their boots off and make their jaws hit the ground.

Wake up locally by starting websites, forums, and making this awareness local.

Originally posted by lagnar
reply to post by soficrow

 

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up, at least on this go-round.

....we must stay vigilant and aware of all possibilities and quash them upon inception if we are to have even a minuscule chance of preserving the last bastion of free speech and more the to point, freely unfettered information we have left.

My bold and underline. ...That's it, in a nutshell.

...If people actually had to start talking face to face, and actually meeting each other, I believe the transition into organization the likes of which even M.L.K., J.F.K. or even Ron Paul hasn't known would be possible. As it is, I think the net is actually keeping people from one another, in a tactile way, thus hindering or disabling certain parts of any organizing that might be possible.

True, but on the other hand, we share information internationally - and it's becoming undeniable that we're all dealing with the same problems, propaganda, BS, handlers and rulers.

The world -and the world's real rulers- have never seen such a phenomenally huge grassroots movement. So they've kept us at each others' throats to prevent consolidation, but they really want/need to shut it down before we all realize our power - and recognize our common enemy.

...I think it's far better to keep this info train as brake-free and unencumbered as possible.

No kidding!




ed to add phrase for clarity

[edit on 17-4-2010 by soficrow]

The very first businesses we the people should pool up locally and take donations, and form inner circles, that are also ROTATING positions for, is: free press hard print, replace the news papers, and ensure you network and get some disgruntled reporters, journalists, photographers onboard. Time to take the night back.

Also, this is still all distraction, divide and conquer. Their real nwo is for after the events planned, which may or may not include ww3 or another false flag and fema, that may be reserved for impending earth changes and dangers, we don't know. But we want to ensure that people survive in large numbers, are very aware of whats going on, dont resort to mad max, but act collectively,and determine their own destiny.

In other words, the internet and neutrality is all a part of a larger thing, and we all have need to take actions, and alert others. This issue and all are intertwined.

[edit on 17-4-2010 by Unity_99]

reply to post by Unity_99


I do agree - this and other issues are intertwined. ...The looting and pillaging started in the early 2000's - much worse than normal - was clear tptb were getting ready for something big. Suspect positioning to hold power following major catastrophe(s) - means general population must be kept ignorant.

Interesting comment, position:

...we want to ensure that people survive in large numbers, are very aware of whats going on, dont resort to mad max, but act collectively,and determine their own destiny.

The world -and the world's real rulers- have never seen such a phenomenally huge grassroots movement. So they've kept us at each others' throats to prevent consolidation, but they really want/need to shut it down before we all realize our power - and recognize our common enemy.

Grassroots: I have actually noticed quite a large number of people waking up. My Aunt and Uncle are prime examples of this. I thought it would be grueling talking to them about this stuff (haven't seen 'em in awhile), but as it turns out, through no effort of my own, they've already got most of it down to a T. I found myself agreeing with them more than I ever have in my life.

It gives me great hope (really don't like that word's insinuation, but) that so many people are waking up and recognizing what's happening around them. They seem far more aware - no...conscious of world events, agendas and ill-consequential happenstance.

Sorry...the magnitude of it just boggles my mind a bit...I've been trying for so so long. It truly is an explosion of people wiping the sandman from their eyes and realizing there's more to life than sports, movies, celebrity, and television. Hell, several people I know (both friends AND family) have finally stopped watching tv completely.

It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

Of course, they too now get their information from Internet sources, and are on the side of liberty. If any of you are reading this, drop me a line.

EDIT: I love the suggestions Unity...they definitely deserve reflection.

EDIT: Andy - Sure you're right about the mis/disinfo trolls, and I hope you're right about the net. They just seem to be trying more and more devious tactics.

[edit on 17-4-2010 by lagnar]