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Originally posted by SpectreDC
People who have an almost irrational devotion to science are nearly as bad as people who have an almost irrational devotion to well...anything actually.
Originally posted by TheNewAeon2012
reply to post by OnceReturned
The post underneath yours answered it better than i ever could have.
But, anyway, the point is that it's not possible to "prove" something on a forum, whether science, magick, whatever. We'd need to be face to face. And when I say magic do not not confuse it with mysticism. I mean Magick! It is the highest science of them all, which is why the Illuminati will never tell us anything about it...
The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."
To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.
Surely this makes sense, right?
Originally posted by LususNaturae
Science can't explain everything. Surely not. There are so many questions science cannot come close to explaining.
In fact, I bet you didn't even realize, OnceReturned, that most of science is deeply rooted in occultism. Much of chemistry to alchemy, astro-physics and astronomy to astrology, math to numerology...
there is so much going on nowadays with symbolism and the sciences, which you seem to regard as something very real, yet, science hasn't proved ANYTHING. Anything. No, it hasn't proved a single damned thing. Everything you THINK you know is just that. You THINK you know it and really, not much else.
You cannot at ALL 'accurately' predict the outcome of certain events. You can say, "I predict that when I let go of this brick, it will fall to the ground." but you cannot say "When I let go of this brick, it will inevitably fall to the ground."
You might think you can, but, what happens when you let go of the brick and, say, by some freak accident an eagle flew right under the brick and carried it up to a tree. Or, say you let go of it and it just flew upwards into space.
Science has become such a metaphysical subject nowadays that it may as well be a religion.
Black Holes cannot be observed yet they are most definitely scientifically accepted, due to... 'theoretical evidence'... please. This is so lame.
God and some Magic may not be necessarily observed, yet, they are almost always rejected... for no reason other than 'well science like science man explains everything man in the world man you know man science man."
No! I won't stand for this non-sense anymore from you science-lunatics. AND this is coming from a Science major! You have to realize that science doesn't even ATTEMPT to explain the real world. That's not the point of science and if you think it is, you have stepped into a cage and closed it on yourself.
Science is about questions. For every question you answer in science, there will be three more that pop up. Answer those questions yet more questions will come. Answer yet more, and you will soon go insane - if you're looking for answers.
like strange aspects of quantum mechanics
The problem with it though is twofold; one, science makes presumptions just like everything else. These presumptions can not be dealt with scientifically, only philosophically. And don't tell me I'm wrong, because I know I'm right and you know I'm right (you can try to deny this but lets face it; your credibility as a voice for science goes out the window then). Secondly, science does not tell us anything. It's an observation of phenomenon to gather information. What we use with this information and what it means can not be explained my science.
Originally posted by TheNewAeon2012
reply to post by LususNaturae
By the way that a/hole Randi never considered that showing true magic powers in order to win a prize may be against Karmic Law.
That's what science provides: the best possible interpretaion of the evidence. We know that we could wake up any minute and everything we though we knew could be wrong, but since there is absolutely nothing we can do about this fact we proceed by trying to explain things in the best way we can.
Guessing about untestable paranormal explanations isn't explaining anything at all, it's just making up an explanation and choosing the accept it because it satisfies your curiousity.
But what exactly is that truth is my question...