Black nobility, house of orange, Frescobaldi

Daniel Estulin claims the Rothschild and Rockefeller's are not the big wigs at all. Which I support because their household names suggest they are nobody important anyway. So who is?

The Venetian Black nobility

In Carthage, the Canaanites called themselves Punics. Rome attacked Carthage in full force, beginning in 264BC and completed their task after killing or enslaving every Carthaginian, by sowing the land to salt so that nothing could ever grow there again. The Edomites descended from Esau later intermarried with the Turks to produce a Turco-Edomite mixture which later became known as Chazars (Khazars) - who are the present occupants of Israel. These Canaanites eventually adopted the name "Sepharvaim" for deceptive purposes. They later became known as Venetians, and by marrying into European royalty and aristocracy, the "black nobility." The Venetians today control the Federal Reserve system in the US.

Around AD1400, European power centers coalesced into two camps: the Ghibellines, who supported the Emperors Hohenstaufen family, and the Guelphs, from Welf, the German prince who competed with Frederick for control of the Holy Roman Empire. The Pope allied himself with the Guelphs. All modern history stems directly from the struggle between these two powers. The Guelphs are also called the Neri, Black Guelphs, or Black Nobility, and supported William of Orange in his seizure of the throne of England, which eventually resulted in the formation of the Bank of England and the East India Company, which would rule the world from the 17th century. All coup d’etats, revolutions and wars in the 19th and 20th centuries are centered in the battle of the Guelphs to hold and enhance their power, which is now the New World Order.

Now William of Orange, is part of the House of Orange

The Black Nobility belong to the "Committee of 300" that controls the UN. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands has the power to veto the Vatican's choice of any pope it selects. This may explain the untimely end to Pope John Paul I's 33-day pontificate. The Prince has veto power because his family, the Habsburgs, are descended directly from the last Roman emperor. (The Habsburg Frederick III was the last emperor to be crowned in Rome; his great-grandson Charles V was the last to be crowned by a pope). This is the civil equivalent of the Pope's claimed "apostolic succession" from Saint Peter.

Prince Bernhard is leader of the Black Families and he also claims descent from the House of David through the Merovingian dynasty, a claim that was acknowledged to be valid by the Carolingian dynasty that supplanted them, by other monarchs and by the Roman Church of that time. Thus he can truly say that he is "related to Jesus".

Prince Bernhard's House of Orange had its origins in France. The Habsburgs are related through marriage with the Merovingians, who are said to have descended from the Tribe of Benjamin who went into exile following war with the other eleven Tribes -- see Judges chapter 21. Exile took them to Arcadia in the central Peloponnese, Greece. Here they aligned with the Arcadian royal line and towards the advent of the Christian era, migrated up the Danube and Rhine, through marriage engendering the Sicambrian Franks -- the immediate forebears of the Merovingians, who were ultimately of Semitic origin, and descendants of King Saul.

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Documentary proof as to the existence of the Committee of 300 is not forthcoming, and it may be no more than a convenient phrase to describe certain key players

Now can anybody tie Frescobaldi into this?

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Interesting.. just read a very popular thread regarding Rome controlling the World.. now I come to find out it is really Venice! .. Makes me wonder what Italians think about this.

Rome did slaughter the Carthaginians .. but I've never heard of evidence to suggest the Venetians where Carthaginians (Much of Carthage army were actually Greeks and Phoenician) .. Carthage it's self was a merchant by product of Rome.

Why was Carthage slaughtered? Most historians believe it was probably due to the Battle of Cannae.. where the Carthage general Hannibal cleverly flanked the Romans, pushing them so tight they couldn't even raise their swords. Something like 70k Romans died in the battle, an entire Roman legion, and the worst Roman loss in their history.

What that has to do with the rest of the story you post, I dont know.. except that the Carthaginians were routed from Carthage and spread about the Mediterranean? Not that most of them were actually native to that land anyways.

The Welf dynasty is probably one of the Worlds most accomplished dynasties in our history.. they were attached to every European power.. from the Holy Roman Empire, the Hapsburgs, England, Italy etc.

If you only let your children marry into Royal families.. and there are not many Royal families.. most likely your going to end up related to everyone else. Same today .. the Queen of Great Britain and her husband Prince Philip are 3rd cousins.. even though she's British and he Greek/Danish. Don't know if many Brits know their monarchs are cousins



I went through the ancestry of the Welf dynasty, the current Patriarch of the dynasty (that is almost extinct) is Ernst August V, Prince of Hanover (prince of nothing since Hanover no longer exist...) he's married to Princess Caroline, Heiress Presumptive of Monaco.

I don't think he runs the World. He's got himself a nice comfy spot as an aristocrat even though he no longer has a Kingdom (ended in 1918, he wasn't even born till 1954) .. But, I fail to see how they run the world. From Venice of all places..

The Black Nobility belong to the "Committee of 300" that controls the UN. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands has the power to veto the Vatican's choice of any pope it selects. This may explain the untimely end to Pope John Paul I's 33-day pontificate. The Prince has veto power because his family, the Habsburgs, are descended directly from the last Roman emperor. (The Habsburg Frederick III was the last emperor to be crowned in Rome; his great-grandson Charles V was the last to be crowned by a pope). This is the civil equivalent of the Pope's claimed "apostolic succession" from Saint Peter.

Interesting read, i'm Dutch and i might add that Price Bernhard is the founding father of the Bilderberg group. Our queen Beatrix is one of the fanatic members of the Bilderberg gatherings. She never misses one.

S&F!

regards

very interesting thread thus far...but why Venice? Venice is quite close to the Italian lake country and Switzerland...why not Switzerland? Zurich? Now that's a big money city.

Does this have anything to do with the Orangemen?

I'm afraid I don't know anything about these guys.

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I think Orangemen is what they called supporters of William III from House of Orange-Nassau.

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Orangemen specifically were the Protestant supporters in Ireland, it's the origin of "Green and Orange" .. for instance, my mother being Irish Catholic, and my father Protestant English makes me as there offspring "Green and Orange" ..

The OP was more saying that William was in a dynasty that runs the World. Which it did.. but only because every dynasty was actually in the Welf Dynasty because of their habit of marrying their own cousins.

HEHEHE, I just got a hysterical thought when I read the title to this thread; "Black nobility"= same as military intelligence.

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I think Orangemen is what they called supporters of William III from House of Orange-Nassau.

Indeed, the house of Oranje-Nassau. It's the family name of the Dutch kingdom. Why you think our sport's supporters are always dressed up in orange

the "Committee of 300" and the "Black Nobility" are both ideas that have been originated and propagated by John Coleman. Coleman a former intelligence operative wrote the book "The Committee of 300". While it has inspired many conspiratorial thoughts and ideas, it was unfortunately an un-sourced book. While Coleman made many authoritative claims in his work, he had no documented sources to back up any of his claims about the Rothchilds, the Beatles, The Monarchy, The "Black Nobility" etc. I am not dismissing his ideas, merely offering a bit of background to where this has come from, and how it was presented to the world. If you ever get the chance to read any of John Colemans books, you will find that he makes some pretty outrageous claims, while at the same time making some that could possibly be true.

It is very difficult to ascertain whether Coleman is acting in a disingenuous fashion to spread disinformation, or merely over exaggerating some things to make his information seem more exciting.

Here's a PDF with some more info on the "Black Nobility"

The same black nobility that spread from feudal Italy, from the Borgia and De Medici is now also affecting northern European governments.

Here's a video on black nobility but some of the kids look like kids that were murdered right here in Delaware a long time ago by so called Americans with middle east terrorist roots.

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The black nobility of Europe which of course includes the House of Orange and the House of Windsor together with all other nobility based are the main culprit for running pedophile and child porn secret organizations in Europe and all around the world, including and especially in Asia and South-East Asia. This is an ancient tradition based on violence against children that the European oligarchy has adopted since the times of the ancient Magna Graeca !

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There is only o9ne family on this planet who can trace their line directly through Jesus all they way back to a time before Sumer. Through the ages that family have never held positions of power or sat on royal thrones. Their identity has been purposely kept hidden. The only give away is the Golden yellow Fire Dragon on the familys coat of arms and their eyes.They have an ability to see the world in a different LIGHT Their family history differs significantly to mainstream understanding of world history. In there understanding Light Beings or Angels have played a very important role in shaping this planets history. I*n there existance Angels are very real and they live side by side interacting with one another on a daily basis. There are only 7 people on this planet who can claim to be members of this family. 7 people who can legitimaly calim to be direct decendants of Jesus. Their identites will never be revealed so that the family line can continue without hassle. They work directly with Angels who have their fingers in many pies. Angels are the people shaping this planet and they work on a directive straight from our creator. Not the vatican rotchilds or anyone like that, they are mearly puppets on Angelic strings

The Vatican is still one of the truly most powerful entities on the planet. They have been infiltrating governments and running the mafia for millennia. They are also deeply involved with the Swiss bank.

originally posted by: toysforadults
The Vatican is still one of the truly most powerful entities on the planet. They have been infiltrating governments and running the mafia for millennia. They are also deeply involved with the Swiss bank.

I agree the Vatican is a very powerful organisation who have some very dark secrets and fingers in many a unsavoury pie. If i were to make a future prediction for that organisation I would say that we are entering a period in Human history were discoveries and developments in Computation and the sciences will rock the very foundations of that organisation. If I were a betting man I would bet that they will survive the shake and will emerge as a compleatly different organisation. The Vatican is about to enter a period of great change

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the internet is a world changing paradigm, the old institutions are all failing and will be forcibly replaced by the energy shift we are experiencing

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: DpatC

the internet is a world changing paradigm, the old institutions are all failing and will be forcibly replaced by the energy shift we are experiencing

I don't think the Vatican will be replaced as from where Im sitting I think that they have a future and are needed to play a very important role in the change that is coming. At the end of the day that organisation gives belief and hope to alot of people. As we embark on the transition into a new world order, People are going to need the services offered by the Vatican. The immediate problem for the Vatican is adapting to the change that has already started. They will go through some very tough times but in the long term I can see them surving for the next 2000 years. I don't think Jesus is going anywhere anytime soon