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If Nibiru exists, it should be inside our solar system by now

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posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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The reason there are not piles and piles of species out there that were frozen quickly is that these mammoths were not frozen quickly. A large animal like a mammoth is not the numerically abundant life form out there. Smaller animals are much more common. Think of the African savannah and realize that the numbers of wildebeest and zebras is much higher than the larger elephants.

You point out another important piece of evidence. There is food in the stomachs. These animals are healthy enough to eat before they died. There was a food supply before they died. This means that the animals died while healthy. The well preserved animals also suggests a sudden demise even if freezing was not sudden. These animals died accidental deaths. The mammoths are believed to have drowned in mud. The baby mammoth recently recovered showed inhalation of mud.

You want me to come up with a guess, which is not a theory, that can only be based on what is stated to me by people that have done the direct research. You are asking me to speculate and come up with an idea when I have a limited understanding of the facts. That's not sensible. At best all we can do is to read and see if the material being presented is sensible.

There are notions we can exclude:
1. Pole shifts - No geological evidence, no mechanism
2. Sudden climate change - few specimens exist and the range of fauna is not affected
3. Human caused - No evidence of hunting wounds on the animals
4. Plate tectonics - Way too slow
5. Falling over a cliff - no broken bones

Accidental death and occasional preservation in permafrost is much more likely than any of the other ideas that have been floated around.




posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Skada
 


You point out another important piece of evidence. There is food in the stomachs. These animals are healthy enough to eat before they died. There was a food supply before they died. This means that the animals died while healthy. The well preserved animals also suggests a sudden demise even if freezing was not sudden. These animals died accidental deaths. The mammoths are believed to have drowned in mud. The baby mammoth recently recovered showed inhalation of mud.

No argument there. The amazing thing is that there was food in the stomach and teeth. Even if death was sudden, the acids in the stomach could digest the food even a little past death, perhaps not all of it, but a portion. This indicates to me that:
1. They were found in Siberia
2. The mastodons were in a temperate climate
3. They were killed quick, but not by "non-natural" means
4. They were found with plants that were not "native" to where they were found. Meaning that the plants no longer grow there.


There are notions we can exclude:
1. Pole shifts - No geological evidence, no mechanism
2. Sudden climate change - few specimens exist and the range of fauna is not affected
3. Human caused - No evidence of hunting wounds on the animals
4. Plate tectonics - Way too slow
5. Falling over a cliff - no broken bones

We cannot exclude some of these.
1. There is evidence all around us: mountain building in a quick period of time, Mastodons found in the Arctic Circle (when historically they don't belong there at all with food that no longer grows there) Preserved perfectly, or at least near perfect. Islands going beneath the waves leaving ruins underwater for hundreds of years. Yup, no evidence, nothing to see here. The mechanism has been written about in many historical documents complete with events leading up to the pole shift, that is if you can wade through all of the religious propaganda to get to the truth.
2. not if 1 happened first. Physical relocation of a continent from a temperate zone to the arctic circle is one heck of a climate change. This also explains why the mastodons were found in permafrost and did not decompose, because of a pole shift.
4. Not if 1 happened first. Physical relocation of a continent can occur when the planet has realigned physically to a new rotation. Hey, the earthquakes are getting worse and happening more.

Yes I realize that it is contingent on a pole shift, but, it would seem that this model is the one that fits the facts. Mastodons not belonging to an arctic climate are found in an arctic zone in permafrost, not even below the permafrost and completely buried. To me, this means that they ate their food, a pole shift happened, they got cold really fast and died, then over the next few hundred or so years the ice and snow got piled on entombing the little pre-elephants.


Accidental death and occasional preservation in permafrost is much more likely than any of the other ideas that have been floated around.

Yes, this model does fit most of the facts except that they did not belong in that (arctic) climate to begin with.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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I agree, the implications are staggering as and the evidence to back them. Our world is in for a huge awakening in the very near future...a future where the phrase "I told you so" will be common place with ATS members



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Mammoths have been found in a temperature climate and in northern climates as well. When you say "Not by "non-natural" means I assume you mean by natural means. The climate has changed since the death of the mammoths. That's true. Many or all of the dead are Ice Age creatures when the northern climates were much colder than at present.

1. Can you tell me where a mountain was created in a short period time other than a volcano?
2. The mastodon lived in a range of climates from Alaska to the southern US.
3. Subsidence of land has occurred and is due to plate tectonics - not pole shifts

You are looking at a pole shift claim. Are mammoths the only create out there that die? If you are right in the pole shifts, then everything else should have been in the same boat. Where are all of the other creatures of that time period? What about the rest of the continents? Can you even describe the amount of shift, when, and all of the other affected places on the world? Can you explain why hot spots did not suddenly shift? Can you explain why the rocks do not record the event?

The problem with pole shifts is that the only claim to them is twisting around human written myths and attempting to cherry pick a thing here, and a thing there to prop up the case. Pole shifts are a theory long ago discarded because the predictions do not fit our understanding of the earth. A pole shift does not work because the crust is not rigid. The interface between the crust and the mantle is not fluid. A pole shift would leave a record in the rocks. Those records have been inspected to show that no significant change in the poles has happened in over 200 million years.



posted on Apr, 21 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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The evidence is what? Please elaborate.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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I will tell you something that is hapenning right now: The New shape of the Solar System. It doesn't matter how many rules, laws, physic or religion we are in. 2010 is the beginning of the changes in the Solar System. Something never seen is happening right now. Nibiru and its tribe are on its way to encounter our Solar System. As hapenned many times before, Nibiru and its tribe formed by several moons and asteroid belts planet sized are going to reshape one more time "our" Solar System. Nibiru will penetrate our planetary system somewhere between the outer planets between Jupiter and Uranus. The effects of this encounter has already begin: from October 2009 to this date, more than 50 meteorites attracted by the Sun's gravity had crash against the Earth atmosphere and the Earth Protective Shield. One asteroid planet sized already crash with Jupiter. Five asteroids crashed against the Sun this year. The effect of Nibiru will be of fourteen month of encounters between titanic forces. One moon will crash against Mercury and this planet will explode against The Sun. Another moon will crash against Mars and its debris will form a new asteroid belt. Earth orbit will be push out several degrees out of it actual orbit causing the life as known to be impossible to survive. Two new planets jupiter size will remain orbitting the Sun and Venus will become a satellite of one of this planets. One of this planet will be an "intermediate" to move life on Earth to the second new planet (think as a second Noah's Ark)A huge solar activity never seen before will reach the deepest limits of the Solar System, burning and transforming everything on its path. The Earth will survive but will be burn to the grounds, leaving only the seeds for The New race. Probably none of us will survive to see half of this but we will witness one of the most beautiful events on The Universe: The rebirth of a Planetary System . This is all God's plan to have a perfect balance in The Universe.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by Is2012TheDate
I will tell you something that is hapenning right now: The New shape of the Solar System. It doesn't matter how many rules, laws, physic or religion we are in. 2010 is the beginning of the changes in the Solar System. Something never seen is happening right now. Nibiru and its tribe are on its way to encounter our Solar System. As hapenned many times before, Nibiru and its tribe formed by several moons and asteroid belts planet sized are going to reshape one more time "our" Solar System. Nibiru will penetrate our planetary system somewhere between the outer planets between Jupiter and Uranus. The effects of this encounter has already begin: from October 2009 to this date, more than 50 meteorites attracted by the Sun's gravity had crash against the Earth atmosphere and the Earth Protective Shield. One asteroid planet sized already crash with Jupiter. Five asteroids crashed against the Sun this year. The effect of Nibiru will be of fourteen month of encounters between titanic forces. One moon will crash against Mercury and this planet will explode against The Sun. Another moon will crash against Mars and its debris will form a new asteroid belt. Earth orbit will be push out several degrees out of it actual orbit causing the life as known to be impossible to survive. Two new planets jupiter size will remain orbitting the Sun and Venus will become a satellite of one of this planets. One of this planet will be an "intermediate" to move life on Earth to the second new planet (think as a second Noah's Ark)A huge solar activity never seen before will reach the deepest limits of the Solar System, burning and transforming everything on its path. The Earth will survive but will be burn to the grounds, leaving only the seeds for The New race. Probably none of us will survive to see half of this but we will witness one of the most beautiful events on The Universe: The rebirth of a Planetary System . This is all God's plan to have a perfect balance in The Universe.


Wow! I didn't realize they packed so much information onto the back of a box of Wheaties these days!

IRM



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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If Nibiru were entering the solar system and its gravity affecting things as you claim, then it would also be affecting the planets and no such effect is seen.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Is2012TheDate
The effects of this encounter has already begin: from October 2009 to this date, more than 50 meteorites attracted by the Sun's gravity had crash against the Earth atmosphere and the Earth Protective Shield. One asteroid planet sized already crash with Jupiter. Five asteroids crashed against the Sun this year.



Where do you get this info? From the pink elephant? Do you have any idea how many meteorites crash into Earth atmosphere on any given day? More than 50 that's for sure.

Five asteroids crashing into the Sun? BS boy, you don't know physics, or general heat for that matter. Nothing would make it to the Sun, everything would burn up before reaching it.

Lay off the pipe and don't forget to wipe.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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My friends video

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by discl0sur3
 


The evidence is what? Please elaborate.


Check out these videos...




posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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The IRAS observers were examining data about the infrared that was quite new. It took a while for them to determine what they were seeing. In the published report they reported that they were seeing a new type of galaxy. It was not an object in our solar system.

The newspaper articles referenced by this video got the story wrong. Imagine that. The mystery heavenly body reported was in fact the new galaxy type.

What this video does is take out of context old data, and present it as new. Would you be stunned to see a report that there are only 6 planets. If the report was based on a 1730s textbook you would quickly point to the fact that other astronomical work had been done since then. In the early 80s there was speculation on the existence of a large object close in our solar system due to perturbations of Uranus and Neptune. By the early 90s it was clear that the data had measurement error in it, and the speculation had not been warranted. Even better measurements in recent years have put heavy constraints on what can be in our solar system.

The video is also misleading in claiming that Pioneer 10 and IRAS were launched to search for planet x.

So what happened in 1983?
Planet X Sage:Science

IRAS was designed to look in the far-infrared, well past what our eyes see. At the time, no one was really sure what it would find. To everyone's surprise, several bright point sources were found that did not correspond to anything seen on optical images taken of the same areas. In the press conference, the two scientists said that these objects could be almost anything, from a tenth planet in our solar system to distant galaxies.

Guess which it turned out to be? Sure enough, much deeper images were taken, and some of the objects were found to be dense gas clouds in our own Galaxy, while others turned out to be very distant galaxies. In fact, these observations heralded the discovery of a new type of object: Ultra-luminous Infrared Galaxies (ULIRGs).


Then the video shows the magnetosphere and claims that changes are due to a wobble. That is not true. Where is the evidence that the earth is wobbling. There is none. This is falsehood conclusion presented in the video.

Then comes in the earthquakes claims. Then the video degrades even farther with nonsense.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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The second video was a very dry piece of comedy. Too dry for my tastes. Other may laugh, but I didn't even smirk.

The notion that this whatever can only be seen from the south pole is really, really, really, stupid. Any distant object can be seen from a minimum of 1/2 of the earth. Because the earth turns it is likely that an object can be seen from more than 1/2 of the earth.

Who gives a rat's backside is Google earth has incomplete data. This lunatic can't even read coordinates correctly. In other words, he has no idea what he reporting.

"What the hell are these guys hiding?" What a dumb, dumb, dumb question! If you are looking for this planet just step outside and look up! Any planet or brown dwarf reflects sunlight. It would be visible if it were there. No one sees anything because it does not exist.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by SednaShmedna
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


That should be no problem for the boy from "OZ".. I don't even believe in Nibiru but this thread was created solely for ego-boosting through a blatant straw man..

Arbitrary numbers assigned to unknown objects with unspecified masses and radii all the while forgetting the fact that if "Nibiru" has an eccentric orbit that it would be constantly accelerating as it sling-shotted into our system.

Just garbage..


Explain Uranus and why it is tilted and no other planet is like it? It is as if something forced it on its side. Our moon is larger than normal moons as if it was a planet about to form but didn't.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Is2012TheDate
 


If Nibiru were entering the solar system and its gravity affecting things as you claim, then it would also be affecting the planets and no such effect is seen.


www.sciencenews.org...

www.nasa.gov...

mind you it said between Mars and Jupiter on the last link. Nibiru is supposed to orbit between Mars and Jupiter.



posted on Apr, 22 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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I'm not clear on the connection between the links and the existence of another planet. In one we have Pluto changing its appearance. In another we have an asteroid-asteroid collision. Neither one of these suggests the existence of a new planet.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:16 AM
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I wonder what is it with people making false assumptions and others jumping in and laughing about a subject not one of them knows about....

Why did you choose December 21st 2012?.... Because it is the end of ONE Maya calendar?....

The thing that people like you fail to comprehend is that, first of all that date is not meant to mean "THE WORLD IS GOING TO EXPLODE"....

Christ people, get your freaking thinking caps on...

Hopi prophecy is a bit differently than just showing one date as"the end of the world"..... BTW, for those who don't know the Hopi are one of the tribes, or a branch of the ancient Maya....

Hopi prophecy states that at about 7 years after the Blue Star Kachina, or Katchina, makes it's appearance and sheds it's mask, that would be the FIRST sign of the transformation that will come to the planet, and mankind.... But then, after the appearance of the Blue Star Kachina, ANOTHER STAR, and in this case a RED STAR, will appear, and it is this one sign which marks the beginning of the worst transformation, as it will bring suffering, tribulation, and also much death.

Hopi elders announced that comet Holmes was the Blue Star Kachina/Katchina. This comet did something that austounded astronomers, and astrophysicists, part of it exploded, and expanded to become the largest object in the Solar System, being larger than the Sun, and became half a million times brighter than it was before the sudden explosion. Noone knows how this happened, but at least part of the comet survived....

Now, without further due, and for those who would rather learn, than be arrogant, and remain ignorant about the prophecy of the Hopi, here is the real prophecy about the end times from a branch of the Maya people... the Hopi.


Do you remember back in 1997, the Hopi Elders appeared with Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf on Art Bells Coast to Coast show, they spoke to millions of wary listeners around the world as they 'predicted' the coming of The Blue Star Kachina and that the Purifier, the Red Star Kachina would follow shortly after the twins (Hale-bopp) had passed from our heavens.



They spoke about us seeing strange things going on with animals, frogs with six legs, rabbits with four ears, animals being born with both genders. They spoke of Earth Changes, and 'Firestorms," and they talked about the Eight Thunders Prophecies... and the Pale Prophet.

The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.



It has appeared in numerous articles over the web, and in magazines all over the world.



"The story of the Blue Kachina is a very old story, very old. I have been aware of the story of the Blue Kachina since I was very young. I was told this story by grandfathers who are now between 80 and 108 years of age. Frank Waters also wrote about Saquasohuh, the Blue Star Kachina in The Book of the Hopi, The story came from Grandfather Dan, Oldest Hopi

"It was told to me that first the Blue Kachina would start to be seen at the dances, and would make his appearance known to the children in the plaza during the night dance. This event would tell us that the end times are very near. Then the Blue Star Kachina would physically appear in our heavens which would mean that we were in the end times.

"In the Final days we will look up in our heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time. Poganghoya is the guardian of our North Pole and his Brother Palongawhoya is the guardian of the South pole. In the final days the Blue Star Katchina will come to be with his nephews and they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clock wise.

"This fact is evidenced in many petroglyphs that speak of the Zodiac, and within the Mayan and Egyptian pyramids. The rotation of the Earth has been manipulated by not so benevolent Star beings. The twins will be seen in our North Western skies. They will come and visit to see who still remembered the original teachings flying in their Patuwvotas, or flying shields. They will bring many of their star family with them in the final days.

"The return of the Blue Star Katchina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life.

"Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier - The Red Katchina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever. There will be messengers that will precede this coming of the Purifier. They will leave messages to those on Earth who remember the old ways.

"The messages will be found written in the living stone, through the sacred grains, and even the waters. (Crop Circles have been found in ice) From the Purifier will issue forth a great Red Light. All things will change in their manner of being. Every living thing will be offered the opportunity to change from the largest to the smallest thing.

"Those who return to the ways given to us in the original teachings, and live a natural way of life will not be touched by the coming of the Purifier. They will survive and build the new world. Only in the ancient teachings will the ability to understand the messages be found.

"It is important to understand that these messages will be found upon every living thing, even within our bodies, even within a drop of our blood. All life forms will receive the messages from the twins... those that fly, the plants, even the rabbit. The appearance of the twins begins a period of seven years will be our final opportunity to change our ways. Everything we experience is all a mater of choice.

"Many will appear to have lost their souls in these final days. So intense will the nature of the changes be that those who are weak in spiritual awareness will go insane, for we are nothing without spirit. They will disappear, for they are just hollow vessels for any thing to use. Life will be so bad in the cities that many will choose to leave this plane. Some in whole groups.

"Only those who return to the values of the old ways will be able to find peace of mind. For in the Earth we shall find relief from the madness that will be all around us. It will be a very hard time for women with children for they will be shunned, and many of the children in these times will be unnatural. Some being from the Stars some from past worlds, some will even be created by man in an unnatural manner and will be souless. Many of people in this time will be empty in Spirit they will have Sampacu. No life force in their eyes.

"As we get close to the time of arrival the Purifier there will be those who walk as ghosts through the cities, through canyons they will have constructed in their man made mountains. Those that walk through these places will be very heavy in their walk, it will appear almost painful as they take each step for they will be disconnected from their spirit and the Earth.

"After the arrival of the twins, they will begin to vanish before your eyes like so muck smoke. Others will have great deformities, both in the mind and upon their bodies. There will be those who would walk in the body that are not from this reality, for many of the gateways that once protected us will be opened, there will be much confusion. Confusion between sexes, and children and their elders.

"Life will get very perverted, and there will be little social order, in these times many will ask for the mountains themselves to fall upon them just to end their misery. Still others will appear as if untouched by what is occurring. The ones who remember the original teachings and have reconnected their hearts and spirit. Those who remember who their mother and father is. The Pahana who have left to live in the Mountains and forest.

"When the Purifier comes we will see him first as a small Red Star which will come very close and sit in our heavens watching us. Watching us to see how well we have remembered the sacred teachings.

"This Purifier will show us many miraculous signs in our heavens. In this way we will know Creator is not a dream. Even those who do not feel their connection to spirit will see the face of creator across the sky. Things unseen will be felt very strongly.

"Many things will begin to occur that will not make sense, for reality will be shifting back in and out of the dream state. There will be many doorways to the lower world that will open at this time. Things long forgotten will come back to remind us of our past creations. All living things will want to be present for this day when time ends, and we enter the forever cycle of the Fifth World.

"We will receive many warnings allowing us to change our ways from below the Earth as well as above. Then one morning in a moment. We will awaken to the Red Dawn. The sky will be the color of blood, many things will then begin to happen that right now we are nor sure of their exact nature. For much of reality will not be as it is now.

"There will be many strange beasts upon the Earth in those days, some from the past and some that we have never seen. The nature of mankind will appear strange in these times we walk between worlds and we will house many spirits even within our bodies After a time we will again walk with our brothers from the Stars, and rebuild this Earth. But not until the Purifier has left his mark upon the universe.
.....

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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"No thing living will go untouched, here or in the heavens. The way through this time it is said is to be found in our hearts, and reuniting with our spiritual self. Getting simple and returning to living with and upon the Earth and in harmony with her creatures. Remembering that we are the caretakers, the fire keepers of the Spirit. Our relatives from the Stars are coming home to see how well we have faired in our journey.

The Pictures enclosed in this presentation are of the Human Beings, my Hopi Grandfathers... they were telling you truth... there is still time for you to change.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The above is the real prophecy of the Hopi...and as it should be known, if you don't know, the Hopi are a surviving branch of the Maya people.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
If Nibiru were entering the solar system and its gravity affecting things as you claim, then it would also be affecting the planets and no such effect is seen.


Really?.... I wonder how many times I will have to keep posting this...


6 The increase of the Astronomical Unit

6.1 The observation

From the analysis of radiometric measurements of distances between the Earth and the major planets including observations from Martian orbiters and landers from 1961 to 2003 a secular increase of the Astronomical Unit of approximately 10 m/cy has been reported (36) (see also the article (37) and the discussion therein).

6.2 Search for explanation

Time–dependent gravitational constant and velocity of light This increase cannot be explained by a time–dependent gravitational constant G because the ˙ G/G needed is larger than the restrictions obtained from LLR.

It has also been speculated that a time–dependent change in the velocity of light can be responsible for this effect. Indeed, if the speed of light becomes smaller, than ranging will simulate a drift of distances. However, a inspection of Kepler’s third law
T2 4π2
a3 = GM⊙

(17)
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shows that, if one replaces the distance a by a ranging time a = ct, then effectively the quotient G/c3 appears. Only this combination of the gravitational constant and the speed of light governs the ratio between the orbit time, in our case the orbit time of the Earth. Consequently, a time–dependent speed of light is equivalent to a time–dependent gravitational constant. Since the latter has been ruled out to be possibly responsible for an increase of the Astronomical Unit, also a time–dependent speed of light has to be ruled out.

Cosmic expansion The influence of cosmic expansion by many orders of magnitude too small, see Sec.9.2. Neither the modification of the gravitational field of the Sun nor the drag of the planetary orbits due to the expansion is big enough to explain this drift.

Clock drift An increase of ranged distances might also be due to a drift of the time scale of the form t → t + αt2 for α > 0. This is of the same form as the time drift needed to account for the Pioneer anomaly. From Kepler’s third law one may ask which α is suitable in order to simulate the increase of the Astronomical Unit. One obtains α ≈ 3 · 10−20 s−1 what is astonishing close to the clock drift needed for a clock drift simulation of the pioneer anomaly, see Eq.(16) and below.
7 The quadrupole and octupule anomaly Recently an anomalous behavior of the low–l contributions to the cosmic microwave background has been reported. It has been shown that (i) there exists an alignment between the quadrupole and octupole with > 99.87% C.L. [38], and (ii) that the quadrupole and octupole are aligned to Solar system ecliptic to > 99% C.L. [39]. No correlation with the galactic plane has been found.

The reason for this is totally unclear. One may speculate that an unknown gravitational field within the Solar system slightly redirects the incoming cosmic microwave radiation (in the similar way as a motion with a certain velocity with respect to the rest frame of the cosmological background redirects the cosmic background radiation and leads to modifications of the dipole and quadrupole parts). Such a redirection should be more pronounced for low–l components of the radiation. It should be possible to calculate the gravitational field needed for such a redirection and then to compare that with the observational data of the Solar system and the other observed anomalies.

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8.2 Other anomalies?
There is one further observation which status is rather unclear bit which perhaps may fit into the other observations. This is the observation of the return time of comets: Comets usually come back a few days before they are expected when applying ordinary equations of motion. The delay usually is assigned to the outgassing of these objects. In fact, the delay is used for an estimate of the strength of this outgassing. On the other hand, it has been calculated in (44) that the assumption that starting with 20 AU there is an additional acceleration of the order of the Pioneer anomaly also leads to the effect that comets come back a few days earlier. It is not clear whether this is a serious indications but a further study of the trajectories of comets certainly is worthwhile.

arxiv.org...

Then we also found the following.


Secular increase of the astronomical unit and perihelion precessions as tests of the Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati multi-dimensional braneworld scenario
Lorenzo Iorio JCAP09(2005)006 doi: 10.1088/1475-7516/2005/09/006

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Lorenzo Iorio
Viale Unità di Italia 68, 70125, Bari, Italy
E-mail: lorenzo.iorio@libero.it
Abstract. An unexpected secular increase of the astronomical unit, the length scale of the Solar System, has recently been reported by three different research groups (Krasinsky and Brumberg, Pitjeva, Standish). The latest JPL measurements amount to 7 ± 2 m cy−1. At present, there are no explanations able to accommodate such an observed phenomenon, either in the realm of classical physics or in the usual four-dimensional framework of the Einsteinian general relativity. The Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati braneworld scenario, which is a multi-dimensional model of gravity aimed at providing an explanation of the observed cosmic acceleration without dark energy, predicts, among other things, a perihelion secular shift, due to Lue and Starkman, of 5 × 10−4 arcsec cy−1 for all the planets of the Solar System. It yields a variation of about 6 m cy−1 for the Earth–Sun distance which is compatible with the observed rate of change for the astronomical unit. The recently measured corrections to the secular motions of the perihelia of the inner planets of the Solar System are in agreement with the predicted value of the Lue–Starkman effect for Mercury, Mars and, at a slightly worse level, the Earth.

www.iop.org...

Then there is the fact that EVERY planet, and even Moons, with an atmosphere have been undergoing dramatic Climate Changes mostly in the form of WARMING... Even Pluto was WARMING as it moved away from the Sun, and it has been WARMING even the farther it moved from the Sun... that means SOMETHING ELSE was WARMING Pluto, and causing the changes in every planet which we have been seeing.

Then there are the changes occurring to the Sun, the lull in it's activity, and I also showed that scientists found that SOMETHING ELSE was warming Earth's atmosphere as the Sun's activity slowed down to a crawl.


Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind


www.sciencedaily.com
"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.


Further down on the article you can read the following


"We all have thought for our entire careers — I learned it as a graduate student — that this energy transfer rate is primarily controlled by the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field," Lyons said. "The closer to southward-pointing the magnetic field is, the stronger the energy transfer rate is, and the stronger the magnetic field is in that direction. If it is both southward and big, the energy transfer rate is even bigger."

However, Lyons, Kim and their colleagues analyzed radar data that measure the strength of the interaction by measuring flows in the ionosphere, the part of Earth's upper atmosphere ionized by solar radiation. The results surprised them.

"Any space physicist, including me, would have said a year ago there could not be substorms when the interplanetary magnetic field was staying northward, but that's wrong," Lyons said. "Generally, it's correct, but when you have a fluctuating interplanetary magnetic field, you can have substorms going off once per hour.

"Heejeong used detailed statistical analysis to prove this phenomenon is real. Convection in the magnetosphere and ionosphere can be strongly driven by these fluctuations, independent of the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field."

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A few years back in these same forums I stated that since NASA, and ESA were predicting that interstellar dust would be increasing exponentially until about 2012, that more space radiation, more charged particles, and more plasma etc would find it's way into the inner Solar System, more so since we have been moving into a new region of space which is changing the dynamics of the Solar System.

Now, what exactly could cause the secular increase in the distance between the planets, and the Sun?... Or the acceleration which was seen to be equal to the pioneer anomalies at about 20 AU? It is most probably a dead star.

[edit on 23-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:53 AM
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There are so many different theories, ideas, prophecies and predictions surrounding 2012 that no one, including you, has any idea as to what's going to happen.

I've merely chosen the most popular theory, namely Nubiru (or planet x or whatever) impacting earth on December 21st, 2012.

So don't come in here scoffing at the most accepted theory.
Yours holds as much ground as the others too by the way.

The point of this thread here, is taking into account whats known about the popular theory of Nubiru, combining that with some known figures and showing that it should be inside our solar system.

As every day passes this planet is getting closer, soon, in 12-18 months time, there will be absolutely no doubt whatsoever if it exists or not.

Anyway, thanks for adding some info about your hipo's to an already crap filled thread, it's just what it needed.



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