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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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Lot's of people believe this is the end times, from multiples faiths but the fact is that every generation has believed it would be the last. Every generation there are dates put forward for when the world will end, people make careers on making world ending predictions and they bring all sorts of new age nonsense and religious prophecy in to support their ideas.
The fact of the matter remains that no one knows when the world will end and no one knows how. You can claim otherwise, you can claim its all in the Bible but that doesn't make it true no more than any other prophecy is true.
My problem with end times prophecy is that they are all vague or nonsensical. In Revelation you've got half-lion half-scorpion half-locusts torturing people (yes I know i put 3 halves) and giant horsemen riding around and a supposedly merciful God giving angels permission to torment and kill people.
Then at the end of Revelation you have a supposedly merciful God throwing billions into a lake of fire to burn FOREVER with no chance of escape and it claims that Magicians and Cowards will be among those burned (so David Blaine and anyone who's ever run from a fight will go to Hell apparently)...
You see it makes no sense so there's no reason to put any faith in it. Besides it doesn't even offer a time frame for itself, we have no idea when any of that stuff is supposed to happen.
The final nail in the coffin is that those in power, TPTB can manipulate world events to make it APPEAR that prophecy is coming to pass and if they do that they can easily sway and manipulate believers.
So I see no real reason to believe that the end is near.
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by On the Edge
It's called editing. The story of Jesus could have been edited numerous times before it was written down and anyone discovered the documents. They could have easily added in the elements that match up with prophecy to help support their case that Jesus was the Messiah.
Considering that we have no unbiased historic documents to tell us how Jesus's life and ministry really played out as they were happening (we have second hand accounts) it is more likely the story has been embellished and altered to fit the prophecy and add supernatural elements.
Edit to Add: Because this is more or less off topic please do not respond to this post in this thread but write me directly via U2U.
[edit on 15-4-2010 by Titen-Sxull]
Once again . . . none of those generations had all the pieces of the puzzle in play like we do.
The Bible has a fantastic record with prophecy.
God, above all is just. Yes, he is merciful. But mercy can last only so long.
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Really? I think it far more likely for something involving four horsemen and beasts rising out of the sea to take place along time ago, doesn't seem to correspond to anything going on to day.
I've never read a direct, specific Biblical prophecy that came to pass. Most, if not all, Biblical prophecies are vague, bizarre or intended to be figurative and therefore open to interpretation and misinterpretation.
Also the Bible states that no one knows the hour or the day.
So you think that half-scorpion half-locust lion bugs will be given carte blanche to torment people by a supposedly loving God? It says that many will long for death but not find it meaning God is, for no reason, tormenting people with these bugs. Is Man-Bear-Pig real as well?
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Also if God was giving this vision to John couldn't he have explained EXACTLY what John was seeing. The fact that John is describing something he might not be able to comprehend casts doubt on the prophecy and makes it easily misinterpretable.
The God of the Bible is not just. He regularly kills children or commands women and children to be killed or taken as slaves. He claims to punish children for the sins of their fathers. In other verses however it claims his mercies are new every morning and that they never run out. It says that God shall never leave us or forsake us but then also claims we will be thrown into a Lake of Fire for some of the simplest of sins (like lying). What we have are contradictory accounts of the same deity because these books were written by flawed men.
And I do not trust any human to be able to see the end of the world. Just look at how many end of the world predictions there have been. I suppose one of them has to be right sooner or later though
no proof given will satisfy you
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
How does a self-fulfilling prophecy count as proof? Would they use such a thing in a court of law? Would they use such a thing in the scientific process? If not then it does not count as proof.
If there is no evidence then believing must take place with blind faith and if there is a God I don't think he would force us to believe based on blind faith.
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
How does a self-fulfilling prophecy count as proof? Would they use such a thing in a court of law? Would they use such a thing in the scientific process? If not then it does not count as proof.
If there is no evidence then believing must take place with blind faith and if there is a God I don't think he would force us to believe based on blind faith.
The New York Times got it right this time, noting the Pope's call for a world political authority amounted to endorsement of a New World Economic Order, a long-time goal of the old Soviet-sponsored international communist movement. Bloomberg.com highlighted the Pope's call for a new world order with "teeth."
The Pope's shocking endorsement of a "World Political Authority," which has prophetic implications for some Christians who fear that a global dictatorship will take power in the "last days" of man's reign on earth, comes shortly after the United Nations Conference on the World Financial and Economic Crisis issued a call for global taxes and more powerful global institutions. U.N. General Assembly President, Miguel D'Escoto, a Communist Catholic Priest, gave a speech at the event calling on the nations of the world to revere "Mother Earth" but concluded with words from the Pope blessing the conference participants.
Vatican wound healing unquestionably (updated)
December 2, 2009 — Nicholas
It seems the prophecied beast of Daniel and Revelation has just taken a giant step closer to her prophecied healing by enacting Sunday Laws in Germany.
High court reaffirms ban on Sunday shopping
Sunday will no longer be an option for Christmas shoppers. Ruling in favor of the Catholic and Lutheran churches, Germany’s highest court has found that the city of Berlin’s ten shopping Sundays a year go against the constitutional protection of Sundays as a day of rest.
Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled on Tuesday that shops must close on Sundays, and that legislation in Berlin allowing for ten shopping Sundays was unconstitutional. Germany’s Basic Law protects Sunday and public holidays as “days of rest from work and of spiritual improvement.” -Editor: DW-World.de December 2, 2009
Germany had Sunday laws since 1919, however in 2006 they allowed for 10 Sundays a year for shops to be open. But 24 hours after the Lisbon Treaty, (EU Constitution) was ratified, Rome reaffirmed Sunday laws as an obvious show of both political as well as prophecied strength. The opening of shops on Sundays suddenly became “unconstitutional” thanks to Rome’s influence in writing that constitution! Now that they did this in Germany using their new Constitution as a foundation, soon all EU nations will follow suit. After all, they all have the same Constitution as of December 1, 2009. As I have been saving for years, the EU is a testing grounds for Rome. Using the Lutheran church along with the Vatican is a bold move by Satan to try and suppress the work of Martin Luther who had the spiritual insight to target the Vatican as the house of Antichrist when he posted his 95 Thesis on October 31, 1517, which later allowed so many to see this prophecied truth as Scriptural fact. Eventually the mortal wound was administered by Napoleon in 1798ad, in the exact year that Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:6, & 13:5 predicted it would happen. That being said, I wonder if scoffers will still proclaim Sunday Laws to be a bogus prophecy of Sabbath keeping Christians. If it’s so bogus, why is the Vatican doing exactly as prophecy said they would? Will this Sunday law spread globally? The American Constitution is already being whittled away, and as I reported in the September 2009 Newsletter, Obama supporters have already started a Sunday Law campaign here in America.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895
“Sunday is our MARK or authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.